(would lennon, that is)
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link
he did already in 1975
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:13 (four years ago) link
idk if "Bonie Maronie" has really entered the Great American Songbook tbh
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:14 (four years ago) link
Regarding the thread question, I’m not sure Lennon’s status in the 00s was much different from the 10s...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
I think it's gone down a lil
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:35 (four years ago) link
I don't listen to JL/POB often, but when I do I finish it newly impressed by Lennon's guitar and vocals.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
Forever searching for that steel wool sound that his guitar has on I Found Out
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
1990s/10s : definitely.00s/10s : basically the same imo
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
And re: his potential output had he lived the end of the 20th century, I kinda doubt anything interesting would have been produced considering his albums after Imagine. He seemed basically spent artistically (contrary to McCartney... and I much prefer Lennon’s Beatles/immediate post-Beatles output).
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:28 (four years ago) link
he burned out fast, but there were bright spots - the guitar solo for Walking on Thin Ice, the Nilsson album, Watching the Wheels etc
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
Oh I don’t think he burnt out fast : he produced an amazing body of work during a solid decade. But it doesn’t seem there was much left by the mid70s. Of course one could imagine (eh) a Johnny Cash pattern or something...
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:46 (four years ago) link
no I meant he burned out fast post-Beatles
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
yeah i think there's a definite falling off after his first couple solo albums -- i like his 1970-71 material so much i've probably spent more time listening to the later stuff than i otherwise would have looking for hidden gems. there are some bright moments for sure, but most of his mid-70s stuff feels disappointingly weak to me.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link
https://www.quora.com/What-if-John-Lennon-were-still-alive
Some fun and surprisingly otm answers in here.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
Whoa whoa whoa -- let's not get TOO crazy with these predictions
It is likely that Lennon would have taken an active role in video production as video and film was always an interest of his. With Yoko's involvement the videos would have likely been more avant-garde.
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
Wasn’t it McCartney who was more interested in video/film and art in general ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link
i like to imagine middle-aged lennon as a genial, low-profile celebrity, mellowed out but maybe popping up to support a cause here and there. politically i feel like he would have ended up on various stages and platforms not to play music but to say "we're all here together because apartheid has got to end" etc. strong chance of him doing "we are the world" too, i'd reckon. just because he was a loud aggro kind of wave-maker as a young man doesn't mean he wouldn't find his way around to lower-key forms of activism. like i mean who knows, i guess, but why not assume the best.
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link
He'd turn into Bob Geldof?
― Siegbran, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
If Bob Dylan had died in the early ‘80s, people today would probably theorize that he would have become a marginal, right-wing crank recluse (instead of a Nobel Prize winner who tours constantly).
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
maybe he would've covered Elvis Costello's "All You Need is Love."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
have you heard the song Getting Better
no, I couldn't hear it above "Run For Your Life" turned up to 11
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:47 (four years ago) link
it's weird how ppl single that song out, it isn't particularly unusual for its time
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:48 (four years ago) link
Maybe, I’m just making an observation about the unreliability of these predictions.
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
If Billy Corgan had died in 1991, no one would imagine him with a bald head.
Remember all the old man bitching about space on Infidels tho.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
imagine there's no Corgan, it's easy if you try
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
« Run for your life » is such a terrible song it almost prevents RS from being dud-free (but then there’s « What goes on »... or even « Michelle », for some !). And I don’t even talk about the lyrics.
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:01 (four years ago) link
Btw lolz about all this Beatles derailing when it was said upthread that nobody cared about the Beatles anymore in the 10s !
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link
Well yeah but we’re ilxors, not people
― what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
I am clear evidence that nobody totally cares about the Beatles
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
Queen have left the Beatles in the dust in the 2010s. Never mind the spousal abuse let's blame Lennon's turgid solo career for his decline.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
Re: Queen, wait for the Ringo movie to restart the fire (it might be titled « You’re 16, You’re beautiful (not legal) and You’re Mine »
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
how could it be anything besides "it don't come easy," shit writes itself
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 23:50 (four years ago) link
It’s weird that some people consider Lennon as experimental, the most experimental he ever got was through Yoko Ono tbh. If we consider their solo output McCartney was by far the most creative Beatle and the most eager to try new things.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 01:24 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB54_PFXoAE9los?format=jpg&name=900x900
― 60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 05:46 (four years ago) link
XpostYeah, Lennon was just a rocknroller at heart, (by taste and artistic/technical limitations). But when he did it good, it was amazingly good !
― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 06:39 (four years ago) link
I've seen enough boomers who seemed OK somehow become truly awful human beings that I understand the impulse to suspect this about any dead boomer (or older, I guess, if you aren't counting him as a "boomer"). It's almost a form of emotional shielding - "well it's probably just as well this person I liked died when they did". But there's no evidence to make any judgments either way; at best we can talk about what Lennon did when he was alive, and one of the things he did when he was alive was to break the cycle of violence. This sort of genuine positive change is, in my observation, a rare thing, particularly considering that he was in a position where it wasn't required of him - if he'd kept beating women, or even just stopped beating women and stayed silent about it, people would have covered it up or made excuses for him as long as he was around, because, I don't know, Genius is Pain or something. Same goes for things like making fun of disabled people, which he also used to do extensively.
― Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 11:31 (four years ago) link
I still read posts by credulous fans who insist John and Yoko were about to divorce! To believe that they faked those Double Fantasy interviews, the sincerity of those songs, and that Yoko released Season of Glass and became the Keeper of the Lennono Flame, requires not just a world-historic cynicism but in acting abilities unsurpassed by Meryl Streep.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link
(With acknowledgements that fantasizing abt John Lennon's 21st century political opinions is a supremely ridiculous exercise)(& therefore ILX in its purest form) I totally buy him as turning into a Roganite weirdo, not bc of anything inherent to boomers or being caught up in conspiracy stuff but just bc he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 12:37 (four years ago) link
he dissed Reagan in his last interview
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 12:39 (four years ago) link
Also not for nothing but Lennon is definitely the poster child for sanctimonious boomers who sincerely and genuinely believed that their generation was SAVING THE WORLD, and given that the Boomers are now seen as the fount of all human evil (despite the insistence of certain of their number that they didn't start the fire) it's not surprising to me that his stock has dropped.
― Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
the sanctimonious boomers consistently overlook Lennon's ironic, tergiversating, self-corrective spirit.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:35 (four years ago) link
Would John or George have become annoyingly vocal Brexiteers...?
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
They do! And Lennon, having been dead since 1980, doesn't get to speak for himself anymore... all people hear of him is through boomer gatekeepers. Yeah, I'm not surprised his stock has dropped!
"Tergiversating" is a great word. Thanks for introducing me to it.
― Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
he definitely seemed like the kind of personality very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side
Hmm. He more than anyone seemed to have bought into the Peace/Love movement, whereas Dylan was the one who looked down on it.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
"Irish Blood, English Heart"
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
Shudders
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 14:11 (four years ago) link
very invested in that kind of contrarian oneupmanship who think that having an opinion that no one else has = coming up with a brilliant idea no one else thought of, where it flatters their ego to feel smarter than the whole argument rather than pick a side, "what neither side of the climate debate realizes is that it's actually SUGAR that's killing the planet" etc, which is totally a garden path that can lead to some weird shit.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, August 14, 2019 8:37 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Kind of aggressive to suddenly call out various ilxors in the middle of a discussion about Lennon
― Evan, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
On another note: The Blur vs Oasis Britpoop chart battle started this very day. Here’s an article explaining it:
https://www.nme.com/features/blur-and-oasis-big-britpop-chart-battle-the-definitive-story-of-what-really-happened-757277
And here’s another one to reminds us why it’s stock went dead:
https://thequietus.com/articles/15092-blur-parklife-anniversary-review
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 14:16 (four years ago) link