The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

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honestly I don't even know if you need to like the Replacements to like Trouble Boys

I kind of want to read Lemon Jail but the Sullivans were such gigantic assholes to local bands for years

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 20:56 (six years ago)

I read Lemon Jail. Not incredibly revealing, but entertaining as another Rashomon perspective of the time. Pictured the guy as Flounder being lured by Bluto and D-Day into a long road trip.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 19 July 2019 21:06 (six years ago)

i'm not even a replacements superfan, but trouble boys is one of the best rock bios ever i think.

tylerw, Friday, 19 July 2019 21:36 (six years ago)

sheesh, fine I will read it

Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

it's a good book -- my main problem is that i really loved their music as a young person (14-18 for the most part) and it kept me company during hard times. i guess young me learned way way way way way more than she wanted to know and today me found bob's story to be very sad beginning to end, and everyone else's behavior made me dislike them/lose respect.

it's a good book maybe because they come off as so insufferable

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 July 2019 22:07 (six years ago)

Yeah, it’s one of the few cases where the endless catalogue of self-destructive behavior seems to actually serve a purpose rather than just being overkill

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 July 2019 22:23 (six years ago)

I can remember the exact location in the restaurant I was at when I started reading that because I was crying after the opening. All-timer.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 20 July 2019 05:08 (six years ago)

From an interview with Sonny Vincent, who Bob played with after the Replacements, poor Bobby....

I knew he loved music and he always expressed that. He once asked me "Sonny, would you die for music?" I didn't know exactly what he meant but from my point of view I said "No." Bob then looked at me with a very deep, soulful, yet sarcastic look and said "Yeah, well I would". And in some universe where that would be required, I knew that Bobby would have died for music. Bob was really unique and special. I hate it that he is gone. I'll always miss him.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 July 2019 03:02 (six years ago)

There was always something very Richie Aprile-like about Slim Dunlap.

Ha. OTM, I guess.

Yeah, I always had the impression he was a bit more happy-go-lucky than he might've been. It's like they went out and found someone more pie-eyed than Bob.

Google also OTM:

https://i.imgur.com/wjdZpVb.png

pplains, Sunday, 21 July 2019 03:20 (six years ago)

There are more than a few bands/musicians that once you know the history, their music resonates in a different way. John French's gigantic Beefheart book and any book on the Ramones also have a similar sadness to them.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 July 2019 22:18 (six years ago)

Bob Mehr on facebook last Friday:

A bit of “personal news” as they say. This morning The Replacements and Rhino announced the release DEAD MAN’S POP, the first ever ‘Mats box set. I was lucky enough to have produced the project (along with the estimable and ever diligent Jason Jones of Rhino) and wrote the liner notes. There’s a funny bit of backstory as to how this set came about…which, like the band, started in a basement in South Minneapolis.

In late 2014, Slim Dunlap’s wonderful wife Chrissie Dunlap was cleaning out the basement of the couple's house when she came upon a stash of Ampex reels hidden in a cupboard. She realized, based on the songs and dates, that these were Replacements tapes from the “Don’t Tell A Soul” era. After sessions at Cherokee and Capitol in Los Angeles with producer Matt Wallace, the band had finished tracking the record at Prince’s Paisley Park studios in the fall of 1988 – at which time they absconded with a handful of reels, reels that included Wallace’s unreleased "quick mix" of record, and a session the ‘Mats had earlier cut with Tom Waits while in California.

Upon this discovery, Chrissie asked Slim if they should call and alert Warner Bros. to the fact that they had these tapes, to which Slim replied, “No!” Asked why, he said “I don’t want to go to jail!” (as you can see, Slim still has his sense of humor very much intact). Credit really has to go to Slim for saving these tapes rather than, say, tossing them in a large body of water. But he’s always had great foresight -- “Slim’s a smart son of a country lawyer” as Paul Westerberg once told me.

Likely because I have earned my PhD in Replacements studies, I was dispatched by the band’s management to retrieve the tapes in early 2015. I brought them back to Memphis where we had them transferred (fittingly enough) at Ardent Studios.

Listening back to Matt’s original (if admittedly hurried, somewhat incomplete) Paisley Park mix it was clear that a far different version of “Don’t Tell a Soul” actually existed than the one that had been mixed by Chris-Lord Alge and released in 1989.

It’s worth noting here that the released version, the Lord-Alge mix, is a fine LP – and was, quite frankly, the more commercial and radio-geared record that needed to be released in 1989 to keep the band afloat. But, the truth is, it didn’t *sound* much like the album the Replacements had recorded. Over time, I think that fact became clear and the record’s reputation suffered somewhat. In the end, “Don’t Tell A Soul” would become The Replacements’ best-selling album, and also their most divisive. A perfect encomium for a band built on such contradictions.

It also became clear that a new package, built around a version of DTAS the way the band and Matt had wanted it to sound, would be a good idea (this was a desire that Westerberg had expressed many times over the years). But, of course, there was more, including other much discussed but little heard recordings from the era, like the band’s first attempt at making DTAS in Bearsville with Tony Berg, and the Waits session. On top of that there was the Inconcerated live show, from Milwaukee in 1989, of which only five songs had ever been heard previously.

After many fits and starts and lot of legwork, we finally got the okay to push ahead with the box set this year from the band and from the good folks at Rhino Records.

This past May, Matt Wallace finished the job he’d started 31 years earlier, finally completing the mix of the record, which is called, “Don’t Tell a Soul Redux.” As I wrote in the liners, while it’s impossible to unhear a record that’s been around for three decades, this version is the album the band made and intended to release. In addition to Wallace’s mix, "Redux" also restores several crucial elements from the sessions, including original drum tracks, vocal takes and tempos that were altered in post-production and the band’s original sequence of the album. Matt’s new mix finally brings out all the sounds that were committed to tape – along with the Replacements' singular spirit, humor and passion.

The man, the myth, Brian Kehew -- who mixed "Live at Maxwell’s 1986" for us -- was brought back onto the team to help mix the bulk of the material that appears on the disc of rarities, “We Know The Night: Rare & Unreleased.” Brian also did a masterful job mixing “The Complete Inconcerated Live” show – and actually did some heroic salvage work on several tracks that had technical issues. Happily, this is now a sparkling and remarkable sounding set, that’s every bit as important a document of the band’s Slim-era lineup as Maxwell’s was to the original foursome.

The whole package was brought together sonically by Justin Perkins of Mystery Room Mastering. Justin had a truly epic task pulling these various audio sources together and making it all sound right. He did amazing (often tedious cleanup work) so that the listening experience on this box would be perfect. And it truly is.

Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman cut a beautiful vinyl master of "Redux" for us under the supervision of Matt Wallace (when you get your copies of the box, be sure to check the run-out groove on the LP).

The whole package is presented in a 12 x 12 hardcover book – loaded with dozens of rarely seen photos -- and features a detailed history of the "Don’t Tell A Soul" era written by yours truly.

Like all things Replacements, this project was a labor of love (and sometimes hard labor). At the risk of being embarrassingly personal, I was given the opportunity to work on this at a pretty terrible time in my life, following a personal tragedy. Having a creative purpose like this probably saved me. For that, among many other things, I’m eternally grateful to the band and its management (especially Darren Hilll), all the folks at Rhino including my co-conspirator Jason Jones, as well as the Dunlaps, the Jespersons, Michael Hill and all who helped with this project in ways big and small.

Anyway, that’s some of the how and why this came about. I’m sure I’ll share more as things go along and we get closer to release. In the meantime….DEAD MAN’s POP is available for pre-order here (if you get it now you also get a little bonus gift with the box)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 22 July 2019 16:57 (six years ago)

Enjoy a banjo

It’s too late to turn back, here we go… First track off The Replacements' forthcoming box set, DEAD MAN’S POP, “Talent Show (Matt Wallace Mix)” available now: https://t.co/P4yfjnbixM pic.twitter.com/07ScKdsVcw

— The Replacements (@TheReplacements) July 23, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:39 (six years ago)

Well my reaction to that is positive, though in a much, much different way than the one I had for the Space Oddity remix.

pplains, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:48 (six years ago)

A major improvement, a vast difference in sound, and yet it still puts me right in that moment of first hearing DTAS 30 years ago.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:51 (six years ago)

I'm lucky I lived long enough to hear the banjo in Talent Show, I guess.

pplains, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:52 (six years ago)

yeah my first impression was that it didn't sound that different

then i listened to the original and wow it sounds different, everything was so slathered in reverb

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 18:22 (six years ago)

A major improvement, a vast difference in sound, and yet it still puts me right in that moment of first hearing DTAS 30 years ago.

*sigh*

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 18:39 (six years ago)

i think the fact i didn't think it was that different at first is a good sign....reminds me of a mastering engineer saying to me about mastering "it's supposed to make it sound the same, but better"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 18:58 (six years ago)

That's awesome. You sure that's a banjo (I'm straining to hear it over a woodchopper outside) and not just picked dobro/resonator?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:03 (six years ago)

xpost?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:03 (six years ago)

Bob Mehr sez banjo

CHECK IT OUT! First track off the new Replacements box set, DEAD MAN’S POP. The Matt Wallace mix of “Talent Show” - dig that banjo!!! Listening and pre-order links below https://t.co/MJttJmFvqM

— Bob Mehr (@BobMehr) July 23, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:08 (six years ago)

including original drum tracks, vocal takes and tempos

Towards the end I definitely remember Mars and Westerberg fighting about the drums in the media. May be covered in Trouble Boys which I haven't read (yet!).

campreverb, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:41 (six years ago)

Always thought the rhythm section issues were funny; on a good night they were a solid straight ahead rock band, to which Mars acquitted himself admirably; on a bad night they were a train wreck, little iirc was Mars’ doing given that he was the steadiest guy in the band.

They weren’t that type of band; it’s not that they weren’t King Crimson, it’s that they weren’t even Black Flag. Totally different sonic approach.

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:52 (six years ago)

really interesting all the love for DTAS. i didn't even hear that album until about five years after i got into them when i was 15, and still kind of think it's pretty lackluster.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 23:23 (six years ago)

I still don’t like it, will probably prefer this new mix

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 23:29 (six years ago)

if you were a curious hayseed kid like myself your first exposure was the SNL performance and the "I'll Be You" video which accounts for some nostalgia

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 23:56 (six years ago)

i was a bit too young for DTAS when it first came out, so that might explain my opinion of it.

my nostalgia for albums like Tim and Let it Be remains high, tho, mostly because of when/how i first heard them

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 00:18 (six years ago)

i found my teenage replacements doodle itt and am reposting because i am a cheese The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 00:45 (six years ago)

I mostly stopped listened to them after Pleased to Meet Me in 87. Will also probably like new mix of Don't tell a Soul better (have heard the polished release and liked some songs from it as I recall)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 04:30 (six years ago)

i found my teenage replacements doodle itt and am reposting because i am a cheese The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

would wear this as a tee

SHANTY the golden fish portion (stevie), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

OMG that is so cute I love it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:56 (six years ago)

My path went along the lines of

All Shook Down - the only album I ever listened to in its entirety while they were still formally a band.
Let It Be
Pleased to Meet Me
Hootenanny
Tim
Don't Tell A Soul
Sorry Ma
Stink

So it's weird that I always had warm feelings for All Shook Down, but not Don't Tell a Soul. DTAS is just a cold record with a lot of life choked out of it, for me. I'm very much looking forward to hearing it with a little more blood pumped through its veins.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:04 (six years ago)

Otm

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

I think with DTAS it's got the hyper overproduction but it's ultimately a regular Replacements record, where at least with All Shook Down he was trying to do something different (though I wished I liked it more)

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:15 (six years ago)

I listened to Stink when I was reading the book, what a goddamn perfect record

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:18 (six years ago)

I like ASD, but like I was trying to stammer out up there, it's probably because it was the first record from them I heard.

I mean, I was aware of "I'll Be You", but imagine thinking a band was some sort of Psychedelic Furs rip-off and then hearing "Bent Out of Shape" for the first time.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:21 (six years ago)

Stink is absolutely their greatest record, praise be to T Katzmann for pressing record as the cops got on the mic

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:54 (six years ago)

A friend was having a "bring an 8mm film" party. I asked a crush if she'd want to help me make an "Achin' to Be" video - envisioning mixing shots of trees / water / sunlight with her walking down a street looking pensive. Not that original, but... She didn't know the band and thought it sounded weird. Fair play. A few years later, she mentioned that she really liked that song. Ended up building a paper-mache head / shoulders and setting it on fire to The Sidewinders' "What Am I Supposed to Do". My artistic ideas never actualize as well as in my imagination.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:13 (six years ago)

Stink is absolutely their greatest record

this day in wrong opinions

Totally disposable except for "Go"

Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 17:48 (six years ago)

lmao

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 17:51 (six years ago)

lol so wrong, it's absolutely my favorite as well

Skip Spence None the Richer (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 17:54 (six years ago)

It ain't my favorite, but Stink sure is better than the current version of DTAS.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:28 (six years ago)

Huge fave of mine as well. In fact "Go" is the one I like the least!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:56 (six years ago)

oh man stick 'Kids Don't Follow' in my veins.

campreverb, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:22 (six years ago)

If Westerberg had written another song half as good as "Dope Smokin' Moron" I would almost understand all the 'Mats worship. Almost.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:05 (six years ago)

"Fuck School"? Are you kidding me? Where's the 4 page Uncut oral history of that song.

chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 20:06 (six years ago)

Another vote for the awesomeness of “Kids Don’t Follow” from Stink

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 22:52 (six years ago)

Yeah, Stink is up there.

Okay this new mix of “Talent Show” is pretty good, definitely an improvement. Think I like the banjo now that I can hear it, but time will show the wiser.

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 August 2019 12:10 (six years ago)

"Kids Don't Follow" and "Go" are so great that, for me, the rest of Stink (which I just don't remember) is irrelevant.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 August 2019 12:12 (six years ago)

I will never forget Goddamn Job

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 August 2019 12:51 (six years ago)


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