The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

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I wonder if the new mix will sound like the "1st mix" of "We'll Inherit The Earth" on the expanded edition? I think I like the regular mix better.

L'assie (Euler), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:53 (six years ago)

Looking forward to that! My fave Mats LP, which I realize is the minority opinion...

― henry s, Friday, July 19, 2019 8:25 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol uh same

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:55 (six years ago)

"anywhere's better than here" is my favorite mats song

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 19 July 2019 16:55 (six years ago)

you have to sign up to see it but the Matt Wallace interview in Tape Op is amazing, recounting his horrible experience working with the Mats at their belligerent, coked up asshole worst

https://tapeop.com/interviews/128/matt-wallace/

also just started reading Trouble Boys, I didn't think I ever wanted to read another word about the Replacements but this is a masterpiece, my god the feral boys of South Minneapolis were left for dead in the teenage wasteland, their families are so fucked up, Bob's childhood is tragic, Dickensian

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 18:07 (six years ago)

Wallace has always sort of been made out to be a sonic villain, but there is every indication - in the book, in the TapeOp interview and otherwise - that they would have turned DTAS into DGAF and self destructed without him (or some other responsible producer). Even c. Pleased To Meet Me, one of the more illuminating bits in the book is when it explains how the band was so fucked up/such fuck-ups that Dickinson had to cobble together the takes and sample and loop the drums with a Fairlight just to craft anything good out of the shambling sessions. I can't believe the DTAS sessions could have gone much better, esp. given their behavior on the subsequent tour. They were the ultimate "I would never belong to any club that would have me as a member" band. They complained about lack of label support, but when they got it, they literally burned the money. And so on. And DTAS still sold a ton of records! Low six figures, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 July 2019 18:18 (six years ago)

I never put two and two together about Pleased to Meet Me's cobbling until I read the book. Dickinson did a swell job of not opening the curtain too much.

I wish I could've been there the first time the band heard the intro to "I Don't Know" though.

Looking forward to the box set. I am not a DTAS fan, but I more than recognize that there are some great songs buried on there.

pplains, Friday, 19 July 2019 18:22 (six years ago)

^^cool to hear. i've been meaning to pick it up for a while. bob mehr is a memphis dude.

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A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 July 2019 18:23 (six years ago)

the weirdest revelation in the he Wallace interview that the worst asshole/bully in the band was....Slim Dunlop!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 18:27 (six years ago)

a full release of Inconcerated is pretty amazing too.
That live version of 'Talent Show' on the EP is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C2BGvx6PIc

campreverb, Friday, 19 July 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

Thanks for posting that Matt Wallace interview, ums!

This part illuminated an aspect of DTAS the book mentioned, but didn't go into detail about. I can't imagine how frustratingly painstaking this must have been:

They'd leave for the evening, and Slim would say, "If you touch our guitars, I'll kick your fucking ass."

Touch their guitars, like mess with them?

If I put them in time, or whatever. Literally, he threatened to beat me up numerous times. So yeah, I did a little bit in L.A., but once we got to Paisley Park I had a little bit of time. They were at home, so they'd go home with their wives, or girlfriends, or whatever. I had this Publison Infernal Machine, a French digital delay/reverb. I'd go bar by bar. People would complain the drums were lagging, but Chris was on it. Those guys were leaning so far forward. I'd take Tommy's bass and mute everything else. I'd take his bass on one track through the Publison into another track, and I'd go bar by bar. "Okay, he's 30 ms ahead, 40 ms ahead, but the bass is fine." I'd take the guitars and play them all back. That's what we did before we had access to computers. I'd put things in time. I worked a full day with them; I would go do that at night as well, and then come back and work again. They'd always ask, "Did you fuck with our guitars?"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 July 2019 19:01 (six years ago)

sounded like the worst job in the world

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 19:07 (six years ago)

also Tape Op is one of the best reads, so much cool details and history in those interviews

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 19:08 (six years ago)

There was always something very Richie Aprile-like about Slim Dunlap. Maybe because he came in kinda late in the game...

henry s, Friday, 19 July 2019 19:10 (six years ago)

also just started reading Trouble Boys, I didn't think I ever wanted to read another word about the Replacements but this is a masterpiece, my god the feral boys of South Minneapolis were left for dead in the teenage wasteland, their families are so fucked up, Bob's childhood is tragic, Dickensian

Yup, stunning book. I read it less as the story of a band as the story of a group of people who happened to end up in a band.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 July 2019 19:56 (six years ago)

Did anyone read Lemon Jail?

I wish there was going to be a version of this set without the book and the LP, neither of which I care about. Would have happily paid $50 for a simple CD box set of all the this material.

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 19 July 2019 20:01 (six years ago)

If you don’t think there is anything more to learn about dysfunctional behavior and its connection to the unglamorous side of being in a rock band, then this is the book for you.

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 July 2019 20:01 (six years ago)

Trouble Boys is one of the best recent rock bios -- a model of reporting, and, wow, he can write.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 July 2019 20:03 (six years ago)

I defend plenty of muddled '80s would-be mainstream sellouts, but DTAS depresses me.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 July 2019 20:04 (six years ago)

honestly I don't even know if you need to like the Replacements to like Trouble Boys

I kind of want to read Lemon Jail but the Sullivans were such gigantic assholes to local bands for years

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 July 2019 20:56 (six years ago)

I read Lemon Jail. Not incredibly revealing, but entertaining as another Rashomon perspective of the time. Pictured the guy as Flounder being lured by Bluto and D-Day into a long road trip.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 19 July 2019 21:06 (six years ago)

i'm not even a replacements superfan, but trouble boys is one of the best rock bios ever i think.

tylerw, Friday, 19 July 2019 21:36 (six years ago)

sheesh, fine I will read it

Οὖτις, Friday, 19 July 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

it's a good book -- my main problem is that i really loved their music as a young person (14-18 for the most part) and it kept me company during hard times. i guess young me learned way way way way way more than she wanted to know and today me found bob's story to be very sad beginning to end, and everyone else's behavior made me dislike them/lose respect.

it's a good book maybe because they come off as so insufferable

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 19 July 2019 22:07 (six years ago)

Yeah, it’s one of the few cases where the endless catalogue of self-destructive behavior seems to actually serve a purpose rather than just being overkill

Ask Heavy Manners (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 19 July 2019 22:23 (six years ago)

I can remember the exact location in the restaurant I was at when I started reading that because I was crying after the opening. All-timer.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 20 July 2019 05:08 (six years ago)

From an interview with Sonny Vincent, who Bob played with after the Replacements, poor Bobby....

I knew he loved music and he always expressed that. He once asked me "Sonny, would you die for music?" I didn't know exactly what he meant but from my point of view I said "No." Bob then looked at me with a very deep, soulful, yet sarcastic look and said "Yeah, well I would". And in some universe where that would be required, I knew that Bobby would have died for music. Bob was really unique and special. I hate it that he is gone. I'll always miss him.

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 July 2019 03:02 (six years ago)

There was always something very Richie Aprile-like about Slim Dunlap.

Ha. OTM, I guess.

Yeah, I always had the impression he was a bit more happy-go-lucky than he might've been. It's like they went out and found someone more pie-eyed than Bob.

Google also OTM:

https://i.imgur.com/wjdZpVb.png

pplains, Sunday, 21 July 2019 03:20 (six years ago)

There are more than a few bands/musicians that once you know the history, their music resonates in a different way. John French's gigantic Beefheart book and any book on the Ramones also have a similar sadness to them.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 July 2019 22:18 (six years ago)

Bob Mehr on facebook last Friday:

A bit of “personal news” as they say. This morning The Replacements and Rhino announced the release DEAD MAN’S POP, the first ever ‘Mats box set. I was lucky enough to have produced the project (along with the estimable and ever diligent Jason Jones of Rhino) and wrote the liner notes. There’s a funny bit of backstory as to how this set came about…which, like the band, started in a basement in South Minneapolis.

In late 2014, Slim Dunlap’s wonderful wife Chrissie Dunlap was cleaning out the basement of the couple's house when she came upon a stash of Ampex reels hidden in a cupboard. She realized, based on the songs and dates, that these were Replacements tapes from the “Don’t Tell A Soul” era. After sessions at Cherokee and Capitol in Los Angeles with producer Matt Wallace, the band had finished tracking the record at Prince’s Paisley Park studios in the fall of 1988 – at which time they absconded with a handful of reels, reels that included Wallace’s unreleased "quick mix" of record, and a session the ‘Mats had earlier cut with Tom Waits while in California.

Upon this discovery, Chrissie asked Slim if they should call and alert Warner Bros. to the fact that they had these tapes, to which Slim replied, “No!” Asked why, he said “I don’t want to go to jail!” (as you can see, Slim still has his sense of humor very much intact). Credit really has to go to Slim for saving these tapes rather than, say, tossing them in a large body of water. But he’s always had great foresight -- “Slim’s a smart son of a country lawyer” as Paul Westerberg once told me.

Likely because I have earned my PhD in Replacements studies, I was dispatched by the band’s management to retrieve the tapes in early 2015. I brought them back to Memphis where we had them transferred (fittingly enough) at Ardent Studios.

Listening back to Matt’s original (if admittedly hurried, somewhat incomplete) Paisley Park mix it was clear that a far different version of “Don’t Tell a Soul” actually existed than the one that had been mixed by Chris-Lord Alge and released in 1989.

It’s worth noting here that the released version, the Lord-Alge mix, is a fine LP – and was, quite frankly, the more commercial and radio-geared record that needed to be released in 1989 to keep the band afloat. But, the truth is, it didn’t *sound* much like the album the Replacements had recorded. Over time, I think that fact became clear and the record’s reputation suffered somewhat. In the end, “Don’t Tell A Soul” would become The Replacements’ best-selling album, and also their most divisive. A perfect encomium for a band built on such contradictions.

It also became clear that a new package, built around a version of DTAS the way the band and Matt had wanted it to sound, would be a good idea (this was a desire that Westerberg had expressed many times over the years). But, of course, there was more, including other much discussed but little heard recordings from the era, like the band’s first attempt at making DTAS in Bearsville with Tony Berg, and the Waits session. On top of that there was the Inconcerated live show, from Milwaukee in 1989, of which only five songs had ever been heard previously.

After many fits and starts and lot of legwork, we finally got the okay to push ahead with the box set this year from the band and from the good folks at Rhino Records.

This past May, Matt Wallace finished the job he’d started 31 years earlier, finally completing the mix of the record, which is called, “Don’t Tell a Soul Redux.” As I wrote in the liners, while it’s impossible to unhear a record that’s been around for three decades, this version is the album the band made and intended to release. In addition to Wallace’s mix, "Redux" also restores several crucial elements from the sessions, including original drum tracks, vocal takes and tempos that were altered in post-production and the band’s original sequence of the album. Matt’s new mix finally brings out all the sounds that were committed to tape – along with the Replacements' singular spirit, humor and passion.

The man, the myth, Brian Kehew -- who mixed "Live at Maxwell’s 1986" for us -- was brought back onto the team to help mix the bulk of the material that appears on the disc of rarities, “We Know The Night: Rare & Unreleased.” Brian also did a masterful job mixing “The Complete Inconcerated Live” show – and actually did some heroic salvage work on several tracks that had technical issues. Happily, this is now a sparkling and remarkable sounding set, that’s every bit as important a document of the band’s Slim-era lineup as Maxwell’s was to the original foursome.

The whole package was brought together sonically by Justin Perkins of Mystery Room Mastering. Justin had a truly epic task pulling these various audio sources together and making it all sound right. He did amazing (often tedious cleanup work) so that the listening experience on this box would be perfect. And it truly is.

Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman cut a beautiful vinyl master of "Redux" for us under the supervision of Matt Wallace (when you get your copies of the box, be sure to check the run-out groove on the LP).

The whole package is presented in a 12 x 12 hardcover book – loaded with dozens of rarely seen photos -- and features a detailed history of the "Don’t Tell A Soul" era written by yours truly.

Like all things Replacements, this project was a labor of love (and sometimes hard labor). At the risk of being embarrassingly personal, I was given the opportunity to work on this at a pretty terrible time in my life, following a personal tragedy. Having a creative purpose like this probably saved me. For that, among many other things, I’m eternally grateful to the band and its management (especially Darren Hilll), all the folks at Rhino including my co-conspirator Jason Jones, as well as the Dunlaps, the Jespersons, Michael Hill and all who helped with this project in ways big and small.

Anyway, that’s some of the how and why this came about. I’m sure I’ll share more as things go along and we get closer to release. In the meantime….DEAD MAN’s POP is available for pre-order here (if you get it now you also get a little bonus gift with the box)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 22 July 2019 16:57 (six years ago)

Enjoy a banjo

It’s too late to turn back, here we go… First track off The Replacements' forthcoming box set, DEAD MAN’S POP, “Talent Show (Matt Wallace Mix)” available now: https://t.co/P4yfjnbixM pic.twitter.com/07ScKdsVcw

— The Replacements (@TheReplacements) July 23, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:39 (six years ago)

Well my reaction to that is positive, though in a much, much different way than the one I had for the Space Oddity remix.

pplains, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:48 (six years ago)

A major improvement, a vast difference in sound, and yet it still puts me right in that moment of first hearing DTAS 30 years ago.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:51 (six years ago)

I'm lucky I lived long enough to hear the banjo in Talent Show, I guess.

pplains, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 17:52 (six years ago)

yeah my first impression was that it didn't sound that different

then i listened to the original and wow it sounds different, everything was so slathered in reverb

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 18:22 (six years ago)

A major improvement, a vast difference in sound, and yet it still puts me right in that moment of first hearing DTAS 30 years ago.

*sigh*

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 18:39 (six years ago)

i think the fact i didn't think it was that different at first is a good sign....reminds me of a mastering engineer saying to me about mastering "it's supposed to make it sound the same, but better"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 18:58 (six years ago)

That's awesome. You sure that's a banjo (I'm straining to hear it over a woodchopper outside) and not just picked dobro/resonator?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:03 (six years ago)

xpost?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:03 (six years ago)

Bob Mehr sez banjo

CHECK IT OUT! First track off the new Replacements box set, DEAD MAN’S POP. The Matt Wallace mix of “Talent Show” - dig that banjo!!! Listening and pre-order links below https://t.co/MJttJmFvqM

— Bob Mehr (@BobMehr) July 23, 2019

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:08 (six years ago)

including original drum tracks, vocal takes and tempos

Towards the end I definitely remember Mars and Westerberg fighting about the drums in the media. May be covered in Trouble Boys which I haven't read (yet!).

campreverb, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 19:41 (six years ago)

Always thought the rhythm section issues were funny; on a good night they were a solid straight ahead rock band, to which Mars acquitted himself admirably; on a bad night they were a train wreck, little iirc was Mars’ doing given that he was the steadiest guy in the band.

They weren’t that type of band; it’s not that they weren’t King Crimson, it’s that they weren’t even Black Flag. Totally different sonic approach.

Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:52 (six years ago)

really interesting all the love for DTAS. i didn't even hear that album until about five years after i got into them when i was 15, and still kind of think it's pretty lackluster.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 23:23 (six years ago)

I still don’t like it, will probably prefer this new mix

U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 23:29 (six years ago)

if you were a curious hayseed kid like myself your first exposure was the SNL performance and the "I'll Be You" video which accounts for some nostalgia

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 23:56 (six years ago)

i was a bit too young for DTAS when it first came out, so that might explain my opinion of it.

my nostalgia for albums like Tim and Let it Be remains high, tho, mostly because of when/how i first heard them

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 00:18 (six years ago)

i found my teenage replacements doodle itt and am reposting because i am a cheese The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 00:45 (six years ago)

I mostly stopped listened to them after Pleased to Meet Me in 87. Will also probably like new mix of Don't tell a Soul better (have heard the polished release and liked some songs from it as I recall)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 04:30 (six years ago)

i found my teenage replacements doodle itt and am reposting because i am a cheese The Replacements: Classic or Dud?

would wear this as a tee

SHANTY the golden fish portion (stevie), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:39 (six years ago)

OMG that is so cute I love it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:56 (six years ago)

My path went along the lines of

All Shook Down - the only album I ever listened to in its entirety while they were still formally a band.
Let It Be
Pleased to Meet Me
Hootenanny
Tim
Don't Tell A Soul
Sorry Ma
Stink

So it's weird that I always had warm feelings for All Shook Down, but not Don't Tell a Soul. DTAS is just a cold record with a lot of life choked out of it, for me. I'm very much looking forward to hearing it with a little more blood pumped through its veins.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:04 (six years ago)


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