I think the problem with conflating "what's in" with "what the kids are into" is that this is only half the story. IME young people today are much more respectful and knowledgeable about past music than my generation was, and for the most part they don't see these big generational divides that were so important previously. They have blind spots where there is stuff that was bigger in the past but has less prominence now, but I don't get the sense that much is rejected on the grounds of being "old music" very often (excepting artists that have been explicitly cancelled).
It doesn't entirely run the other way, of course: lots of current popular music leads to a lot of head-scratching amongst older listeners.
― Tim F, Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:19 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
This makes sense tho I do think watching ppl try to rev up excitement for disco in music journalism by speaking of the old evil men who hated it feels like an effort to create some kind of vitality in a genre that has kind of drifted to nu trip hop territory of inoffensiveness
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 23:24 (four years ago) link
"disco infiltrators", if you will
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:24 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Oh yeah, like I got the context for Nate's article being titled '40 disco songs that don't suck', but there really is no one who thinks disco sucks anymore.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 23:37 (four years ago) link
what else are you all “over”
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
remember the purple wow sound
― brimstead, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 23:58 (four years ago) link
you know whos sound really has come back around, and sorry for breaking the rules of the first post of the thread, is spaceghostpurrp, who i honestly didnt expect to have as much creative/cultural longevity as he has
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 23:59 (four years ago) link
In terms of older artists, the obvious example which has been referred to in other threads but not in this one yet is The Blue Nile, where the cult critical awareness that existed in the 90s and 00s really started to build some momentum in this decade (e.g. making Pitchfork's top 200 albums of the 80s) - though arguably the process which started that development was the convergence of eighties synth pop revivalism / yacht rock revivalism / balearic revivalism which began in the second half of the 00s.
But it feels like a very ILX-ish success, and it makes me wonder if in a few years Rickie Lee Jones' 'Pirates' will have gotten to a similar point.
― Tim F, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:35 (four years ago) link
can we make jane siberry's the walking be the next to happen
― ufo, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:37 (four years ago) link
I would love that though I wonder if jane's irreducible quirkiness will always be a bridge too far. If the whole album sounded like "The Lobby" then it would already have happened, of course.
― Tim F, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:39 (four years ago) link
"old albums with a not-insignificant fanbase on ILX that have yet to really catch on with broader music crit consensus" would be a good separate thread tho.
― Tim F, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:43 (four years ago) link
would really like it if there was a resurgence of interest in Rickie Lee Jones' 'Pirates'
― Dan S, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:44 (four years ago) link
xxxp re: “atmospheric and moody/vibey listening preferences”, Moon Pix does seem like a precursor to When We Fall Asleep, Where Do We Go? in some respects
― Dan S, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:46 (four years ago) link
I feel like there's a pretty endless stream of indie folkish artists that feel descended from cat power
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link
There is soooo much disco & classic house fetishism here, people who are all into talking up history/roots in black & gay communities, but it's all middle-aged white dudes spinning vinyl.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:57 (four years ago) link
That's true in part but I also think that for younger people it's precisely the "history/roots in black & gay communities" aspect that is most interesting about that music, because of how it intersects with broader contemporary political/social/cultural concerns.
In New York I went to this event Ladyland where the big headliners were like Honey Dijon, Octo Octa, Jayda G etc. and the idea that the party was explicitly framing house as a form of music of and for marginalised groups (along race / gender lines) was the pretty much the selling point - and it was totally packed.
And more broadly I do get the sense that for a lot of young people that stuff like Pose / Paris Is Burning has become their entry point to house music rather than something they become familiar with after the fact.
― Tim F, Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:06 (four years ago) link
that’s super interesting
― budo jeru, Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
Paris Is Burning is way up in 2010s!
― Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:15 (four years ago) link
Pose/Paris Is Burning is a good entry point
― Dan S, Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
Is Leigh Bowery up or down?
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 18 July 2019 03:25 (four years ago) link
is zouk still hot?
― brimstead, Thursday, 18 July 2019 03:33 (four years ago) link
lol
how is claude bolling doing ?
julie london ?
bonzo dog band ?
― budo jeru, Thursday, 18 July 2019 04:56 (four years ago) link
when will bad company FINALLY be reevaluated
― budo jeru, Thursday, 18 July 2019 05:02 (four years ago) link
― Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 01:15 (three hours ago) link
Seriously though - sometimes it seems like every gay guy under the age of 25 went to a "how to vogue" summer camp at some point in the past two years.
― Tim F, Thursday, 18 July 2019 05:06 (four years ago) link
I don’t know this stuff well enough but I think I’m right in the broad outlines
― breastcrawl, Thursday, 18 July 2019 05:17 (four years ago) link
lol i spent most of my ilx career shitting on this tendency ... but if there's a place for it surely its the thread literally asking for ppl to posit on the abstract cachet of artists across long periods of history
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 18 July 2019 06:12 (four years ago) link
There is so much dull early house revivalism right now - I'm not even talking about records from the 80s or early 90s here I just mean a slavish, over-cautious recreation of the sounds.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 18 July 2019 07:13 (four years ago) link
Oh yeah I'm not terribly interested in hearing new tracks that sound like old house tracks.
But if DJs want to play, like, the Bar Dub of Barbara Tucker's "I Get Lifted" then that is fine with me.
― Tim F, Thursday, 18 July 2019 07:28 (four years ago) link
And I have no problem if people are engaging in house/disco as a living tradition (even if it's not my preferred dance music), but it bothers me when it feels walled off as this retro museum piece. At least when those are the only nights around, aside from top 40.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 18 July 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
i see some posters for house nights that have the "strictly for the grown and sexy" "no hats no jerseys" thing that seemed to aimed at black people of a certain age
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
A few years ago I saw the Unknown Pleasures poster next to Bob at the campus poster sale and it felt like a changing of the guardsguessing "a few" is standing for "31" here― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:21 PM (yesterday)
guessing "a few" is standing for "31" here
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, July 17, 2019 6:21 PM (yesterday)
This was probably around 2011 at a very boring land grant university in a remote rural location, so adjust your level of hipness accordingly.
― joygoat, Thursday, 18 July 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
x-allposts:
Bands at 10- or approaching 15-years-old are near the nadir of their music being out of time. The best quality stuff from the Meet Me In The Bathroom-era NYC bands have passed their furthest apogee and will slowly begin to come into vision again in a few years time when teenagers start chowing down on Fever To Tell and Is This It.
― in twelve parts (lamonti), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
You’d think that but half this thread was us discussing a nu metal reassessment
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
I spent a lot of the 00s listening to punk bands that added Casios and the general skinny-tie, plasticy feel. The Minds, Epoxies, Jett Rink, Lost Sounds, Capricorns, Ima Robot, Coachwhips, and many others on In The Red and Dirtnap. Elena-era Fall kinda fits. Blood Visions was the apogee. Hardly a major thing, but the impulse is gone from garage rock at the moment. Had Jay Reatard lived, I expect he'd be in the doldrums now.
― bendy, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:22 (four years ago) link
I’m always looking out for an unknown pleasures shirt without the damn text
― brimstead, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
― brimstead, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
xxp what about Ty Segall? he always struck me as comparatively squeaky clean Jay Reatard
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Strong agree
― brimstead, Thursday, July 18, 2019 2:24 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Examples? Not challenging the notion sincerely curious who/what comes to mind
― Evan, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:41 (four years ago) link
I don’t have any examples of tracks that make no impression upon me, sorry. Just seems like 3 out of every 5 house 12s I hear are str8 “soul fire/daptone” for house fans and it just goes straight through me. Im an idiot, btw
― brimstead, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
I’m not asking for “house taken to a whole nother level” either
― brimstead, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
xxp Ty Segall - he certainly took over Jay's crown. He hasn't revisited that cheap-keyboard-through-guitar-amp sound of his early band Epsilions (which completely fit what I was talking about). Seems like he veers between twee psych and stoner rock influences.
Stoner rock is a legacy that's hardly budged up or down since the early 90s started dusting it off after *its* fifteen-year doldrums.
― bendy, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:57 (four years ago) link
I feel like garage punk is always there, it just gets covered sometimes and sometimes it doesn't
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:24 (four years ago) link
Where's the proof that Elliott Smith's legacy has gone down? Definitely not true among my IRL people
― billstevejim, Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
I don’t know what it was like when he was alive or in the years immediately after his death but the fan base just seems way smaller now. I thought the documentary would be more popular and widely seen than it was. I don’t think his legacy has been effected tho, so maybe not a good example.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:54 (four years ago) link
Just thinking about the fact that when I was in college in the early 90s it was a given that "Tempted" was one of the all-time great pop songs and the Squeeze comp "45s and under" was owned by everybody who cared about music at all -- does anybody now think about Squeeze EVER?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
i saw them at Coachella and still have my copy of 45s and under
― Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
elliott smith has 1.36 mil monthly listeners on spotify. 300k or therebouts more than pavement.
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 July 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
on a similar note Elvis Costello seems to be much less talked about these days. 10 years ago I heard his name dropped all the time.
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
I think that whole wave of 1979-1983 bands that were punk-adjacent-but-ultimately-mersh is on a huge downswing, compared to the 90s/00s: Squeeze, Joe Jackson, Boomtown Rats, the Knack, the Tubes, Nick Lowe even Elvis Costello (ha, frogbs)
― Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
“mersh”?
― flappy bird, Thursday, 18 July 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link