Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

Yeah it's interesting how 80 - 100 bpm beats just do not exist in rap now (not counting things like dancehall, bounce, etc), unless it's half-time. Or self-consciously throwback. They had a good 20+ year run though.

there's obviously a lot of variety in the cracks and at the margins but it is interesting to me how broader musical culture often coalesces around specific rhythms/bpms and just kind of all agree that "whelp, this is what people are dancing to now". afaict pop music these days basically rotates through either trap beats and 4/4 house-type beats - rock and jazz rhythms are completely gone.

"The critical legacy for the artist "trap music" is higher in the 2010s than the 1980s" is the insight Geir fans have been clamouring to have return to the boards

It's hard to imagine American Apparel clothes or IKEA furniture lasting 50 years

IKEA furniture is holding up at 40 years already, it'll probably go another ten without crumbling to dust

I feel like I don't see as much interest these days in outsider/weird artists like Daniel Johnston. Maybe shifts in culture about mental illness.

there is no outside, everybody is online

I.e. there is only the outside.

I feel like I don't see as much interest these days in outsider/weird artists like Daniel Johnston.

I had a dream last night where Tonetta showed up at a nightclub, and was playing ripping guitar solos over the DJ

haha that is awesome

Tonetta's Bandcamp page is :0 btw

these things are related - the primacy of funk rhythms has receded as trap rhythms have come to the fore, so the currency of acts like P-Funk has declined (along with my interest in rap and R&B)

You still have acts such as The Weeknd and DJ Khalid who have a more traditional R&B/funk vibe, although perhaps more 80s R&B/funk than 70s R&B/funk.

Cappadonna’s more respected now than he was ten years ago. Ghostface probably less so but he’s still a legend so w/e. But the revelation that doom was listening to a lot of capadonna when he recorded doomsday is v eye opening

deej, what's Ghost's standing in the hip-hop community at the moment?

Best solo career out of the wu & a legend but not esp relevant the last 15 years would be my assumption ... at any rate cappa’s debut is mega underrated

Agree about the debut (commissioned a review for my college paper when I was arts editor lol)

Ghost's my favorite album artist of the 2000s, but I wasn't sure how well he's known. A Lyft driver last week was bemused when after talking my ear off about Gucci he asked me about my favorite rappers of the last twenty years.

So according to facebook djent's stock has risen

Best solo career out of the wu & a legend but not esp relevant the last 15 years would be my assumption ... at any rate cappa’s debut is mega underrated

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, July 11, 2019 5:23 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

You absolute fucking dork

"Two of his most critically adored albums are not especially relevant because white hipsters liked them"

Regardless of their P4k ratings, the Fishscale/More Fish/Big Doe Rehab era had like a huge radio single with Ne-Yo, an early Mark Ronson/Amy Winehouse collab, and was one of the highest profile outlets for the Dilla reappreciation

lol @ having this fight *again*

I like the song w ne yo but the albums are pretty mediocre after pretty Tony imo & it’s obvious they’re his most “critically adored” bc ppl were jumping on the bandwagon late. Lol @ you acting like “critically adored” and “white hipsters liked them” not being the same phenomenon

Also blatantly untrue ... supreme clientele is obv his most praised album ...

That's why I said "one of"

or "Two of"

I mean, the bandwagon theory would make sense if Bulletproof Wallets and Iron Flag didn't happen and also if the Fish/Fish/Doe run sounded anything like Ironman/Clientele

worsened: beach boys

As far as underrated ghost albums the two hidden darts tapes are better than fishscale era stuff too me

The fish era sounds like pandering to online rap nerds that’s why the cohesion of pretty Tony singing along to oldies radio steez was replaced soul records, dilla records and Pete rock beats it’s way more scattershot & broke him w the mass of Av club rap nerds but it’s def not the first thing I’m gonna pull out to listen to

The ne yo song does sound like it should have been the single for “pretty tony” which is why I like it but the whip me w. A strap stuff I just never want to listen to

i've always felt deej underrated fishscale contrarianistically to some degree, but it's also extremely funny how mad it makes whiney

at this point I expect them to be having this fight over cold bowls of mush at the old folks' home 20 years from now

if deej had just said the last 12 years he'd be in the clear

You absolute fucking dork

lol this fucking guy

http://jacquioakley.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Twitter_chris_weingarten_800b.jpg

I mean cmon lolol

cuet

i know emo was mentioned upthread but it is legitimately surprising to me that a decent amount of young people listen to the 20 year old american football album i liked when i was 16

Listened to it this morning and the emo revival has mostly passed me by. Sometimes you just wanna bathe in chiming guitars, y’know?

It's Complicated: Weezer

Elephant 6 stocks continue to plummet. Even ITAOTS is seeming more like a punchline than a universally beloved classic.

I still think In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is an absolute classic for all time

also will love forever Olivia Tremor Control's 'Dusk at Cubist Castle' and 'Black Foliage'

idk NMH had a very well received reunion tour five years ago

NMH evergreen

I already said this but SONIC YOUTH!

has gone way down

idk NMH had a very well received reunion tour five years ago

― ufo, Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

was it that recent? I saw them probably 10 years ago now

the full band reunion was 2013/14, with the Mangum solo shows before that from 2011-13

obviously they're nowhere near as a big of an influence on modern indie these days and the reunion probably helped to dissipate the sort of mystique that had built up around them but i don't think their legacy has really gone down much idk and if so only because ITAOTS was held up to a sort of ridiculous degree

ITAOTS is a crucial & still common beginners' guitar album

Liz Phair’s profile has risen from where it was in the 2000s, thanks to young artists like Snail Mail & Soccer Mommy, the Guyville anniversary / reissue, etc.

xp

fuck that, it is so much more

also, don't know about 'legacy', but Exile in Guyville is one of the great albums of all time