Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

exactly, see also:

https://www.amazon.com/Fallen-Life-Britains-Insane-Group/dp/1847671446

Beastie Boys definitely an example of even death not able to stop the critical decline.

? idk anybody that's revised their opinion downward of their classic era. that Beastie Boys Book seemed to do pretty well.

Yeah I thought that the Beasties were universally loved now

beastie boys are loved but are they "relevant" in 2019?

nothing is relevant

^^^^ speaking as someone deeply unaware of current trends I support this premise

well they refuse to go on without Yauch and won't license out any of their music out so how 'relevant' can it they be now really

sure their influence has diminished in the last couple decades but most of that shouty/quirky rap stuff sucked anyway

current trends = also not relevant

well using a sui generis definition of relevant you've just made up sure.

beastie boys right now feel like the andrew sisters would've felt to someone during the summer of love. sure they're famous and a beloved act for people of a certain vintage, but do they mean anything to mainstream pop (youth) culture? no

i mean this stuff isn't just nostalgia-popular its actively Cool for zoomers & young millennials

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Wednesday, July 10, 2019

In Scotland it was certainly all the zoomers that were into nu-metal.

there is no such thing as mainstream pop (youth) culture

everything is just a niche now, capable of being completely cordoned off from other niches. some niches are larger than others, but none has a claim to being monolithic.

^not a youth

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/drake.jpg?quality=100&w=650

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/post-malone-2.jpg?quality=100&w=650

I am around a lot of youths

world of young ppl etc

lol fair enough

if there's a gap in my youth knowledge it's the 18-21 demo, but I can claim a fair amount of exposure to teens/tweens and fresh-out-of-college folks

i got in a car for the first time w/a 24-25 yr old guy i worked with and he was listening to....the Doobie Brothers! but he was home schooled in Indiana so

henlo i teach HS seniors, drake and postie are v v popular

as those Spotify figures posted hours ago show, the top twenty would not shock a record company dude 20 years ago The Big Ones (Beatles, Eagles, Phil Collins, Stones, etc) remain big, deserved Big Ones have caught up (Queen), a few young turks, etc

it's prob a topic for another thread, but my feeling is that there's much less of a monolithic youth culture now than throughout the 2nd 1/2 of the 20th century but it still exists to some degree.

the only monolith is that the fucking Beatles remain a touchstone

I work at a university,most of the youngs are normie and listen to the big acts you'd expect drake etc. Compared go when I was at university there's also less specific subcultural ways of dressing

just going from my own experience, there's a lot MORE monolithicosity between races/ethnicities/cliques. EVERYONE listens to hiphop now. Everyone listens to rnb. Everyone listens to pop. And nobody listens to rock lol. Maybe I need to hang around the few kids I see who dress like goths.

the 20 yr old I really liked who was in town for drug rehab had on a Nirvana shirt and that was 1st time I saw a younging wearing something like that. But when there was the goofy in-car sing along to Adele, he joined in too!

the the post malone/swae lee song from spiderverse is really good

there's also less specific subcultural ways of dressing

agree this is very striking. youth subcultures no longer subdivide along aesthetic lines, to a large extent, which is really weird to someone who grew up being able to tell what people were into based on how they dressed.

the hegemony of streetwear

^^ my memoir title

Oh yeah, musically the Beastie Boys have less influence/relevance than ever, for sure. But I think there are other aspects that have aged well (their style, woke Yauch, their videos, etc), and they're generally beloved elder statesmen in their retirement.

There's really nowhere to go but down for REM if you think about it-their correction seems almost inevitable.

the beastie boys were specifically their own thing and didn't have much influence yeah but i think they really do remain a group people have never lost their love for. the last couple albums weren't exactly iconic but i suspect at some point they'll get revisited and HSCP2 is especially pretty damn good imo.

REM is boring

I see yr controversial opinion hasn’t changed!

why change when you're correct

why ask why? try bud dry

The midwestern emo revival in non-US places (China/Japan, Aus/NZ etc) has been fairly pronounced; sometimes mixing it with shoegaze/post-rock or with Sarah Records/cuddlecore vibes.

Nice to see some love for My Way by Limp Bizkit upthread, agree that it's a brilliant tune. nu-metal kind of peaked when I was first starting to listen to music and was listening to it mainly via rock radio. It hasn't happened just yet, but I the post-grunge/pre-9/11 radio rock stuff from that era is due for a re-assesment as well. I can't tell whether I love it due to its nostalgia factor and if other people could ever consider it good, but like, I listen to Matchbox 20, Fastball, Sugar Ray and Live singles a lot.

And on that tangent, I feel like Everclear are in a better place in 2019 compared to 2009?

Also, Killers gave gone from That Band That Had Half A Great Album back in 04 to a genuine touchstone for a generation due to Mr. Brightside's enduring popularity this decade. It seemed to me the end of last decade that they'd go the way of Keane and Kaiser Chiefs and Razorlight and all the other buzzy-NME-adjacent bands.

"somewhere only we know" is still v v popular, point for keane

I work at a university also and yeah aesthetically my students all seem to really blend together and I am unable to discern any prominent subcultures. I did actually hear someone in student land cranking Nirvana the other day.

My 4.5 year old got really into the Beastie Boys and wants to hear "Gratitude" and "Lighten Up" off Check Your Head all the time, but he'll hear a few other tracks and say "all these Beastie Boys songs sure sound the same, don't they?".

As for Talking Heads, the thing I've noticed is that "This Must Be The Place (Naive Melody)" somehow became THE Talking Heads song at some point. I saw the videos for Burning Down the House, Wild Wild Life, Once In A Lifetime, and And She Was hundreds of times when I was a kid but didn't even know there was a video for this one, but I hear it all the time now from passing cars and in bars and restaurants and coffee shops. It's their number two streamed song on Spotify, after Psycho Killer and before any of those others, and as far as I know it hasn't been used in any particular move or TV episode.

^see discussion here

judging from conversations i've had w/ a few ppl lately online and off, i think elvis presley's reputation has dropped quite a bit over the last 10 years, in a way that i find sad and frustrating -- few things feel quite as absurd as having to defend the greatness of fuckin' elvis, for crying out loud

Yeah, I've definitely noticed the declining interest in Elvis - and Chuck Berry too, btw. Even when he died, there was a "let me explain who this old dude was and why he mattered" tone to a lot of the coverage that I found astonishing.

feel like bob dylan and jimi hendrix kinda fall in that category, too. other than the beatles, any artist whose heydey was the 60s or before seems like theyve declined bc theyre grandpa music now

well, it's easier to like Grandma's music than your parents'.

xxp Chuck Berry is a case where I think his being a legit creep may have tarnished his glow somewhat.

also feel like more ppl finally gave credit to marvin berry as the true originator