Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

00s music is in the uncanny valley of pre-revival but no longer current so will fall by default

there is something heartening about the enduring rep of the wu tang clan

there is something heartening about the enduring rep of the wu tang clan

Indeed!

Then there's the whole scene of vaporwave spinoffs who are all more or less indebted to Japanese electronica.

the first time I heard Ongaku Zukan my thought was "it's like Weather Channel music, but I really like it", which is pretty much vaporwave in a nutshell. I'm surprised that album hasn't retroactively blown up.

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 8:27 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Yes! Same with Casiopea's 'Mint Jams', which sounds like it was recorded tomorrow (but in fact is from '82 o_O). You could fool anyone passing it off as a smooth jazz/vaporwave milestone.

Elton John is a good one, there was a Twitter post not long after 'Rocketman' came out saying, can you imagine back in the 80s hating Morrissey for being a bigot and Elton John being the cool one.

I get the feeling Billy Joel is more respected now than he was back in the 90s/00s. Conversely despite going down the Rick Rubin stripped back route, Neil Diamond seems more of a footnote as a performer, with only his 60s singles being remembered.

turns out wu tang really was for the children.

Down: Most 60s music - the Beatles, even the Beach Boys.. No one talks about them any more.

It's been ages since I heard anyone talk about Troutmaskreplica in any significant way

Does anyone still talk about Love?

as long as the Zombies and Byrds end up atop the pile I'm cool

Up - Trance music

Does anyone still talk about Love?

― pomenitul, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 12:32 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Don't know if anyone *talks* about them, but Alone Again Or was used in Netflix's Russian Doll series.

I think it's 'cooler' to mention Love these days than any of those other bands. I guess people burn out on hype for certain acts and peak Beach Boys worship seemed to come during that Animal Collective / Magic Numbers era of the mid-2000s.

wish people would talk more about the Beatles

That said, there's still probably lots of love for the more experimental psychedelic acts like Silver Apples or White Noise

I think there were lots of talks about the Beatles with the releases of the remixed Pepper and White albums, weren't there ?

Sebastien Tellier was quite big (relatively speaking) by the end of the 00s.
He's mostly disappeared now (even in France).

True. Meanwhile, Noir Désir’s stock has plummeted even further (I wonder why?).

Autechre and IDM type music in general stock has shot up in recent years after nosediving some time c2004

I think there were lots of talks about the Beatles with the releases of the remixed Pepper and White albums, weren't there ?

― AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, July 10, 2019 1:53 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

on certain ILM threads maybe but honestly, who's excited and passionate about the Beatles in the same way as, say, during the 90s? Nowhere close. The sixties isn't even a mum and dad era any more. It's the distant past and it's been mined so many times over there's nothing new to really say about them, for now perhaps

Yeah, I agree

(oups too fast)
I agree and considering the musical landscape (even in the UK), I don't really see them coming back as a major inspiration for new artists in the near future...

Sucks that psych pop is less cherished these days but on the plus side prog is nowhere near the plague carrier it used to be and that's a definite step up.

That said, who would have put money on Queen in 2019 !

As someone who runs a new wave / post-punk / old school electro type night, it feels like even that era has lost a fair bit of cachet in recent years. 80s nostalgia is for Gen Xers and millennials, and trying to romanticise the B52s, Talking Heads and Gang Of Four is pretty ageing. That said, early house and techno is considered really cool and I'm surprised how many students will turn up to those kinds of nights round here.

There is a major fucking motion picture about the fucking Beatles in 2000 and fucking 19 and there are still endless fucking people fucking going on and fucking on about them

tbf

Yeahn 80s nostalgia seems to have passed too.
Is there a 90s nostalgia going on ?
I don't really hear/see things inspired by grunge, new jack swing, britpop, triphop... but I'm not at all in touch with the current trends !

ahah yeah I thought about that movie but somehow I doubt it will have the effect the Queen and Elton John movie had.

Well a sizeable chunk of the public seems to have finally realized that Richard Curtis and Danny Boyle are for shit so fingers crossed.

There is a major fucking motion picture about the fucking Beatles in 2000 and fucking 19 and there are still endless fucking people fucking going on and fucking on about them

― jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, July 10, 2019 2:29 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Maybe if you stopped talking about them there'd be less?
I'm only speaking from my own POV of course..

Hey I haven't had a "fuck the Beatles" tear in ages, needed to get it off my lungs

Is this even about the quality of these Queen/Elton movies (which I haven't seen) ?
From what I understand, they're pretty bad, aren't they ?
Maybe the main issue with the Beatles movie is that it actually not a Beatles movie : it doesn't portray them at all (and you don't even hear their songs, just covers) so it might be difficult to build excitement about them...
That reminds me of my teenage years, when Olivier Stone single-handedly revived the Doors !

(speaking of Beatles movie : there was also a Ron Howard documentary released a couple years ago iirc)

As someone who runs a new wave / post-punk / old school electro type night, it feels like even that era has lost a fair bit of cachet in recent years. 80s nostalgia is for Gen Xers and millennials, and trying to romanticise the B52s, Talking Heads and Gang Of Four is pretty ageing. That said, early house and techno is considered really cool and I'm surprised how many students will turn up to those kinds of nights round here.

this stuff all had its moment a decade ago with LCD Soundsystem and the rest of the DFA bands so it kinda makes sense that everyone's sick of it now

as long as the Zombies and Byrds end up atop the pile I'm cool

― imago

Zombies revisionism/worship is possibly one of the most annoying things abt this current decade, such an overrated band

"stuff from 30 years ago you can ironically like" will always be cool.

wait what xp

That reminds me of my teenage years, when Olivier Stone single-handedly revived the Doors !

I get the sense that the Doors never underwent a reputation slump in France, partly on account of the language barrier.

Also the Zombies are good and that is a fact.

how can you hate on the zombies, they're so full of music and joy and friendliness

Is there a 90s nostalgia going on ?
I don't really hear/see things inspired by grunge, new jack swing, britpop, triphop... but I'm not at all in touch with the current trends !

There’s a huge ‘90s influence in indie rock / indie pop these days, and also R&B to a somewhat lesser extent

regarding that beatles movie, it's been in the box office top 5 for the past three weeks.

Nirvana seems bigger now than they were in the noughties so I'd chalk that up to the (subtle) 90s revival that is currently unfolding.

A specific ‘90s style that seems really big at the moment is female-fronted “cuddlecore” / Daria soundtrack–type rock.

(which I guess is fitting as Daria itself is coming back)

hum, found this interesting part of a RS article about the the Beatles movie (I don't know the Florida teen mentioned though) :

"For a prototypical Beatle fan in 2019, just look to Emma Gonzalez, the Florida teen who became a gun-control (and LGBTQ) activist last year. She’s a Ringo stan who loves to wear her Fabs shirt in TV interviews and wrote on Twitter, “I feel like Beatles songs were made to be sung by powerful women.”"

For today's kids, The Beatles are about as long ago as Al Jolson was for me as a kid. If new music is in the style of The Beatles it would be more likely to be influenced more by the likes of Oasis and Blur or even Kaiser Chiefs.

we've established that critical cache/coolness and commercial appeal are different things, but for fun here's some legacy acts and their monthly spotify listeners

Michael Jackson: 22.2mil
The Beatles: 20.2mil
Elton John: 20.1mil
Whitney Houston: 19.9mil
The Rolling Stones: 15.4mil
Fleetwood Mac: 14.9mil
Nirvana: 13.4mil
Stevie Wonder: 13.1mil
Led Zeppelin: 12.9mil
Eagles: 12.4mil
U2: 12.4mil
The Police: 12.4mil
Billy Joel: 12mil
Marvin Gaye: 12mil
Tom Petty (combined with Heartbreakers): 12mil
Pink Floyd: 11.2mil
REM: 8.5mil
Van Morrison: 8.4mil
ELO: 8mil
Bob Dylan: 7.9mil
Prince: 7.8mil (prob deflated by his stuff hitting tidal first)

oh and Queen: 32.9mil

meant to include Bowie too: 12.4mil

Queen: 900mil

oops, Queen were there