Which artists legacies have improved/worsened during the 2010s?

It seems that more people know that YMO are really neat and not some inscrutable Japanese band, that the band have three distinct personalities with amazing back catalogues of their own (Sakamoto more salient than the others obv) and super deep roots into all kinds of great Japanese music.

Hosono becoming a hip name really surprised me, especially considering it's on the back of two albums he doesn't even remember making (the Muji in-store BGM cassette and Pacific, which he only did 3 tracks for)

but I guess it goes hand in hand with the City Pop revival, if you start poking around you'll see his name on like half of those records

Totally agree with J.D. I don’t think anybody who loved his songs will stop loving them. If anything I think with time, the scandalous aspects will fade and he’ll be even more a mythical figure.

I was going to say that as well: Japanese electronic music (YMO, Hosono et al) seems way more on the rise. I myself might be a proponent, a helpless follower of fashion if you will, in this regard. The sheer amount of stuff getting reissued on quality labels like LITA and others is enormous. Then there's the whole scene of vaporwave spinoffs who are all more or less indebted to Japanese electronica.

xxp

biggest drop? Cee-Lo

Idk, it seemed like there was initial reticence about not playing MJ, but I've noticed a definite downturn in MJ at weddings, and I've been on gigs where we've erred on the side of not playing any.

especially considering it's on the back of two albums he doesn't even remember making

Hosono not remembering what he did might not be the best indicator for, well, anything ;) (bless his soul)

J. Timberlake was still a pop superstar by 2009. Now he’s a joke.

Pomplamoose just did an "Old Town Road"/"Pony" mash-up

My day is ruined.

I think R.E.M.s standing was in decline for most of decade but feel it has picked up with acts like Real Estate and Rolling Blackouts CF owing them a debt stylistically.

Jean Michel Jarre feels like someone who’s name checked as a touchstone in electronic music maybe never going to have the cred of Kraftwerk but he’s not just the guy with the dazzling light show.

those Electronica albums seemed to rehab his image a lot, even though they weren't particularly well-reviewed the fact that the guestlist was a who's-who of electronic music seemed to remind a lot of people how influential he was. also helps that his work over the last 5 years has been pretty strong, especially compared to some of the junk he was doing last decade

As a lover of both electronic music and corny shit, I just spun Oxygene recently and man is that some corny shit.

glad you enjoyed it :)

Then there's the whole scene of vaporwave spinoffs who are all more or less indebted to Japanese electronica.

the first time I heard Ongaku Zukan my thought was "it's like Weather Channel music, but I really like it", which is pretty much vaporwave in a nutshell. I'm surprised that album hasn't retroactively blown up.

I'd also estimate that the growing cult around Alice Coltrane is sending her stock way up, perhaps to unsustainable levels.

Jay-Z's stock appears to have gone down in recent years.

Not his market stock though !#firsthiphopbillionaire

he made shitty albums in the last 10 years and current hip-hop doesn't really sound indebted to him at all

Nick Cave's stock has risen again

Cave's sole major stock dip was Nocturama in 2003 (imo Boatmans/No More are stultifyingly blah but they were rapturously acclaimed at the time), wiped away with two 'blazing return to form' albums - Abattoir Blues and Lyre of Orpheus - the very next year. (Or at least 'one of these is great,' depending on the listener.) From there the '00s just kept critical hits / unusually high-selling soundtracks / oh THIS novel's better than his previous pastiche etc. coming year after year: The Proposition, Grinderman, Dig Lazarus Dig, The Assassination Of Jesse James, Death Of Bunny Munro. Sell-out Bad Seeds tour, sell-out Nick Cave Solo quartet tour, sell-out Grinderman tour, curating All Tomorrows Parties, sell-out Bad Seeds As Rock Hits Band tour driving Mick away, sell-out Grinderman tour again, rinse & repeat. ARIA Hall Of Fame award, Venice screenwriting award, honorary degrees.

If anything the collapse in album sales (especially with the shift to scoring) and splintering of the band dropped him a little in the '10s compared to the 2004-2009 run.

Jay-Z's stock appears to have gone down in recent years.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 1:30 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

he made shitty albums in the last 10 years and current hip-hop doesn't really sound indebted to him at all

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 1:31 PM (fifty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Dark knight feeling, die and be a hero
Or live long enough to see yourself become a villain

Re: Hova he’s basically retired as a rapper, isn’t he ? I’m not sure he cares the slightest about the scene anymore !

wtf he just released an album like two years ago that was pretty universally loved. i think his stock has risen.

his stock has certainly risen since magna carta holy grail, but overall since 2009, idk

J. Timberlake was still a pop superstar by 2009. Now he’s a joke.

― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:15 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

is he? he still packs arenas (mostly full of late millennial moms)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_of_the_Woods_Tour

i think this thread is more about cultural cache than commercial appeal/success.

Aw really ? Maybe he’s still big in the US, yeah.

wtf he just released an album like two years ago that was pretty universally loved. i think his stock has risen.

and one last year that was universally loved by all 12 ppl with Tidal

(overall I don't think anyone cares about any post-"retirement" albums except Watch The Throne, but rap listeners aren't who's valuing his stock)

ha totally forgot about the album with beyonce... point proven i guess lol

i think this thread is more about cultural cache than commercial appeal/success.

― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:45 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh i was going off the thread title more. i guess man of the woods was lukewarm reviews but the 20/20 releases were pretty favorable iirc. idk i dont think his stock has dropped all that much.

Timberlake's washed up/a has-been, right?

dubstep!

2009 still just about cool
2013 in the heart of the 'brostep' wars
2019 background music on the worst youtube vids

I’m scanning the Pazz and Jop singles winners from 2009. Kanye West, perhaps? Any of the American Idol winners? Lady Gaga? I don’t know, I could see any of those acts having a hit single nowadays.

The problem with this thread is that pop culture moves so much slower than it used to and ten years is just not a very long time music-wise anymore.

Cee-Lo is a good call

The Black Eyed Peas/William

The Flaming Lips

bruce springsteen seemed to have been having a moment about ten years ago. his earnestness and his stripped down stuff like the river or nebraska were a touchstone for a certain strain of indie rock. he's not fallen off hugely from a critical perspective maybe, admittedly. feel like his tunnel of love because the album i would hear songs from more often around, because it's synthy and sexy and 80s and that's more au courant?

there was a lot of brian wilson love in the early and mid 00s. don't feel like i hear too much about him these days (you know, other than that film that came out a couple years ago i guess lol)

Justin Timberlake scored what is probably his biggest hit only three years ago with Can't Stop The Feeling. Clearly his career isn't where it was in 2002 but he's no Robbie Williams or Nelly.

(Nelly or Nelly Furtado)

haven't really heard anyone talk about Aerosmith much lately, despite the bizarre long-winded revival they had

Kanye stock has collapsed but he's still seen as a thing and his new releases will still gather huge attention.

Terius Nash on the other hand has had a really precipitous fall, from can-do-no-wrong in 2008-10 to feeling like a relic of completely different era.

The problem with this thread is that pop culture moves so much slower than it used to and ten years is just not a very long time music-wise anymore.

I feel like Trump and #MeToo represented a watershed in the decade and anyone whose subject matter feels on the wrong side of that divide is kinda stuck there.

the Beach Boys had their moment with that Smile set a few years ago but i think that was kind of a blip, not sure they're really at that level now. Brian Wilson's subsequent work seems to have been mildly received, not critically but culturally.

haven't really heard anyone talk about Aerosmith much lately, despite the bizarre long-winded revival they had

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 9, 2019 12:11 PM (fifty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

some bobos can't be unhonked

Kanye stock has collapsed but he's still seen as a thing and his new releases will still gather huge attention.

feel like the NYT writes at least a dozen articles per year on him, still

I thought everybody loved Kids See Ghosts and Pusha-T?

If you think Kanye stock has collapsed you're not exactly following what the kidz are up to

Iggy Azalea however...

some bobos can't be unhonked

I laffed through a mouthful of salad at this!

Up: Bikini Kill, The Prodigy, Tribe Called Quest, Hole, Aphex Twin, early grime, breakbeat, Sade, Joni Mitchell, women who make quiet music in general, Pearl Jam very slightly maybe?

Down: Jack White, Wilco, Sigur Ros, Animal Collective, Kanye, Basement Jaxx, all the obvious abusers

Barely changed at all: Nirvana, Wu-Tang Clan, detroit techno, early Daft Punk

If you think Kanye stock has collapsed you're not exactly following what the kidz are up to

Honestly I think he's been superseded by an entire generation now.

bruce springsteen seemed to have been having a moment about ten years ago. his earnestness and his stripped down stuff like the river or nebraska were a touchstone for a certain strain of indie rock. he's not fallen off hugely from a critical perspective maybe, admittedly. feel like his tunnel of love because the album i would hear songs from more often around, because it's synthy and sexy and 80s and that's more au courant?

there was a lot of brian wilson love in the early and mid 00s. don't feel like i hear too much about him these days (you know, other than that film that came out a couple years ago i guess lol)

― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 7:08 PM (fifteen minutes ago)

Bruce's stock has definitely risen. It felt like you were at height of sleeveless denim jacket naffness to admit you were into Bruce in the 90s and the early 00's

Dont hear the Beach Boys being mentioned these days for the most part.

the Beach Boys had their moment with that Smile set a few years ago but i think that was kind of a blip, not sure they're really at that level now.

the 50th anniversary reunion album & tour with Mike & Bruce +2 joining Brian's band under the Beach Boys name was a bigger moment, but also the perfect capper for the BB culture wars. The legacy is settled, they'll never do anything new again, no need to care or fight. (Also Mike's Beach Boys band is p good and play loads of the arty stuff alongside the hits when they're doing theatres, not state fairs; plus Brian's right-hand-man quit and joined the Beach Boys.)