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Not a Beatles fanatic by any means but nah.

I feel like there has been a drift over the last couple of decades where consensus has gone from "every note Bon Jovi ever recorded is completely worthless" to "some Bon Jovi tracks / LPs are actually good" and I cant help feeling that this is a symptom of a greater moral decline.

Joe Satriani and many of his ilk of late 80s guitar mag shredders are underrated

So is Limp Bizkit.

bon jovi has some jams. cross road is a decent greatest hits album

it isn't that their music is unbearable, it's just that if their whole discography were to be deleted, nothing of value would have been lost. i don't get why people would use their limited time on earth listening to them when there is other music available.

you mean The Beatles yeah?

THANK YOU

They should make an alternate reality movie about what the world would be like if there never was a Bon Jovi.

Sounds fine, would be a bit annoying explaining why they were bad, but I'd get over it.

what the world would be like if there never was a Bon Jovi.

https://frinkiac.com/img/S04E21/888169.jpg

We'd have a thread called "Every huge artist has their "For Those About to Rock-- We Salute You" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline"

it isn't that their music is unbearable, it's just that if their whole discography were to be deleted, nothing of value would have been lost. i don't get why people would use their limited time on earth listening to them when there is other music available.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, June 21, 2019 9:59 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you mean The Beatles yeah?

― nashwan, Friday, June 21, 2019 10:03 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

THANK YOU

― Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Friday, June 21, 2019 10:15 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this whole exchange gives me life. I don't hate the Beatles nor do I hate Bon Jovi, but I'd rather hear Bon Jovi than the Beatles about 99% of the time. of course, i'd rather not hear either of them because they're both kind of trash, but at least Bon Jovi is real trash.

the Rolling Thunder Revue is great if you like overplaying and coked-up shouting

hmm well i *do* like rock and roll music...

This opinion isn't controversial.

That is precisely why I haven't watched it, as a matter of fact.

Based on their first album, Magma are an okay-ish band.

the best replacements song is TMBG's "hi we're the replacements"

More or less, it seems to me over recent years that:

- ilx needs to be convinced they shouldn't automatically hate an indie act they heard about
- ilx needs to be convinced they shouldn't automatically like a pop act they heard about

Just an impression I have; I don't have enough citations to back that up in a debate at the moment

What about indie pop?

Under my anecdotal premise I guess I feel like that leans towards "automatically like" generally as well? IDK

Speaking purely personally, I have heard enough indie guitar music to last me a lifetime, and any new music of this sort has to be either very good or very novel to not seem like a total waste of time.

always happy to oblige!

I was convinced I'd get more pushback for making generalizations like this. Was inspired by the Car Seat Headrest discussions. Everyone on ilx seems to want to give that guy a swirly.

the phrase "indie landfill" came about for a reason. the bar there is so, so low compared to pop music, which is as brutal and cutthroat a competition as one gets.

"moondance" would be a much, much better record if only van morrison had had the good sense to excise the title track

which is trash

I think it's a good album with or without "Moondance". Not quite as good as "Tupelo Honey" though (the album, not the song).

I enjoy the song, but it is a bit corny and out of place on there.

Queen is overrated.

I like ketchup but a tablespoon of it is enough. Queen is, like, an entire cup of ketchup.

The Police were mainly brilliant

Cirith Ungol's vocalist sounds like he's been trying to shit for 20 years

Are any of these controversial?

most say he sounds like he's been trying to shit for only 15

cosign on above three controps

anyway...

modern doom metal is 95% gear and 5% ideas / talent / songs

Because I don't want to derail the Jane's Addiction thread…

('Three Days'/'Then She Did' are awesome when PF holds his peace btw.)

Come to think of it, the (long) 1980s are probably the decade in rock I struggle with the most, to this day, and I wonder whether this is typical of post-gen X-ers/pre-zoomers such as myself. There are countless classics from that era that I do enjoy more often than not but that I've never wholeheartedly embraced, such as…

The Fall
Guns n' Roses
Hüsker Dü
Judas Priest
Metallica
Minutemen
Motörhead
My Bloody Valentine
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
Prince
Rush
The Smiths
Talking Heads
XTC
etc.

I don't dislike any of these acts per se and there's enough amazing music between them that I could never relinquish, but I still would never think of including them in my personal canon. Whereas the period going from, say, 1967 to 1977 is evergreen in my mind.

I guess I never completely overcame the 'the 80s were the worst decade for music ever' mentality that was somehow drilled into me at a young age.

no decade responsible for “no ufos” could possibly be the worst decade ever

'the 80s were the worst decade for music ever' mentality that was somehow drilled into me at a young age.

― pomenitul, Monday, August 3, 2020 2:09 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk why but this felt like a prevailing sentiment among regular (non-music-obsessed) people when i was growing up (in the late 90s, 00s), and it took me a while to overcome that inherited bias, too. i basically feel the opposite way now, fwiw.

I have no idea where it came from, exactly. Did people in the 80s think 70s music was utter garbage?

post-gen X-ers/pre-zoomers

There’s a term for this, you know (lol)

I know and I manifestly hate it lol.

I think the whole stupid "Disco Sucks!" thing which went very mainstream helped to seal off the 60s and 70s as this "when music was good" period in a lot of lazy ppl's minds

I have no idea where it came from, exactly. Did people in the 80s think 70s music was utter garbage?

The 70s as a whole was viewed as utter garbage in the UK, and still is to a very great extent, it's all the Wurzels/ Leeds United/ inflation/ Confessions of a Window Cleaner/ Love Thy Neighbour/ strikes/ the Troubles etc. Irredemably grim and uncool. Pretty unfair of course - apart from Leeds United.

Whereas the period going from, say, 1967 to 1977 is evergreen in my mind.

So, not a fan of post punk then?

I like post-punk a lot, but nowhere near as much as the true believers. Still, it’s one of the clear highlights of that era for me.

I've never heard "The '80s are crap," not when '80s comps got releases in 1993 and 1994. What I DO hear, and it drives me bats, is how a DX-7 sound is "dated," "of its time," while some Rickenbacker jangle from 1965 is "timeless."

Joy Division, This Heat, Wire, The Cure and PiL are the ones I return to the most.

xp

I grew up in the US in the 80s, and yes, it felt like the entire decade of the 70s had been memory holed. 70s music and styles went through quite a rehabilitation in the 90s.

xp
I definitely did absorb some "80s are bad" propaganda, grounded in that exact "dated sound" double standard. I grew up being told that early digital sounds were cheap or cheezy compared to 60s and 70s analogue (what was less clear was what 90s sounds were; if pushed I think the narrative would have been that synths and drum machines "got better").