Saw one many years ago, probably the American Masters episode:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107411/
Can't remember in how much detail (if at all) it went into that particular subject.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 June 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
Josh, I like yr imaginary Marty/Bob dialogue.
― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link
Seconded
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
jfc I never knew about the Ginsberg nambla stuff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
yeah me neither
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
Reading the Ronee Blakley interview now.She’s also known for her solo albums and roles in “Nightmare on Elm Street” and “The Driver” on screen and “Pump Boys and Dinettes” on Broadway.Saw the original production of the last-mentioned before she got there, I think. Thought it would die on the vine.https://people.com/archive/gone-from-nashville-ronee-blakley-is-waiting-tables-in-pump-boys-and-dinettes-vol-18-no-21/Guess it fills some sort of niche.
Seems it wasn't an old folks home after all.
Where did you go first?We went to Falmouth, Mass., where we stayed in a rambling motel that was out of season for the beach crowd; it was already fall with winter coming on. But there was a mahjong tournament taking place, with all ladies, and they filled up the main dining hall at dinner, and we put on a show for them. Allen Ginsberg read that night to the ladies, as you see in the film. I shaved Allen’s beard off that night, because I wanted to see his face, and he let me. That’s why at the beginning of the film he has a beard and then at a certain point he doesn’t.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:31 (four years ago) link
i figured it was a tournament or a social group - no way an old folks home would have that many well-dressed *cheerful* women in one place together, especially back then lol
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:39 (four years ago) link
Yes, you are on the ball as usual.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:48 (four years ago) link
In connection with Ronee Blakley, I thought the whole thing about Dylan telling Sharon Stone that he'd written "Just Like a Woman" for her may have been lifted, consciously or not, from Keith Carradine's "I'm Easy" scene in Nashville--I have to believe Dylan was very aware of the film, as Blakley's presence in Rolling Thunder would suggest.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 June 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
I guess the presence of that “Jack Tanner” character (whose interviews I skipped through) is another Altman connection. Maybe the Rolling Thunder crew felt to Scorsese like an Altman movie, or something.
― Theodor Adorno, perhaps the greatest philosopher alive today (morrisp), Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
I can see that--Altman's Garrison Keillor film felt very Rolling Thunder-ish (in that Keillor and Dylan are drawing from some of the same sources).
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
(You guys know that Michael Murphy is one of the stars of Nashville, right?)
I happened to catch a screening of Nashville and see Rolling Thunder in the same week and the two films do kind of blend together quite a bit
― Josefa, Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
According to Will Hermes in Love Goes To Buildings On Fire, not only was Patti Smith asked to joined the tour, which she declined, Lou Reed was asked as well.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:32 (four years ago) link
So much blue denim on the Rolling Thunder tour, as if Dylan sent out a directive for everyone to wear it
― Josefa, Sunday, 16 June 2019 15:48 (four years ago) link
Funny, cuz I watched this directly after the Blue Jean Committee episodes of Documentary Now. Recommended.
― circa1916, Sunday, 16 June 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
Lou Reed was asked as well.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:07 (four years ago) link
Lol. Found another reference to this, from none other than Ratso himself:https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bob-dylan-and-friends-on-the-bus-like-a-rolling-thunder-233962/
In fact, the only picker who met up with the Thunder crew and didn’t get swept up into it was Lou Reed
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:12 (four years ago) link
Here’s some stuff about Bob Neuwirth I didn’t know, including an interesting songwriting credit and belonging to a supergroup of sorts: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-11-17-ca-1763-story.html
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:20 (four years ago) link
"The most exciting thing since Rolling Thunder that I've been connected with is this trio thing."
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link
Also still lolling inside at idea of Lou Reed as a picker, a sweep picker no less.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 June 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
I can totally imagine Lou Reed boasting of his sweep picking prowess but refusing to demonstrate it for anyone because it's a flashy cliche or whatever.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 June 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
I've finally watched this and liked it a lot although I can't stand Dylan's "rock" live performances from that era (the accoustics ones are good) !So many great moments : Dylan driving the tour bus himself, Baez amazing dance, their awkward conversation about their mariages, the rehearsals, Joni Mitchell's "Coyote" with Dylan on backing guitar....I think the only things I didn't like were some "fake" parts and even that is not really a problem (well, the S. Stone part could have been reduced to just the initial t-shirt story... the rest might be the most cringey aspect of the movie)...
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 17 June 2019 11:01 (four years ago) link
wtf is sweep picking btw?
― John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Monday, 17 June 2019 12:06 (four years ago) link
Playing fast changing arpeggios, more or less. You see it it jazz and country more than rock, but the shredder guys all do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLn5g5qIb2k
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 June 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link
https://www.loudersound.com/features/mick-ronson-s-greatest-moments
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 12:38 (four years ago) link
M. Ronson's shredding was great. Also lol Bob not talking to him during the tour !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 17 June 2019 12:40 (four years ago) link
And the concert at the old folks community center is so wtf from everybody's point of view...
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 17 June 2019 12:43 (four years ago) link
There’s some funny comments about all this from Ian Hunter in that link.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 12:44 (four years ago) link
Bob probably didn't talk to him because he couldn't understand his accent.
― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Monday, 17 June 2019 12:46 (four years ago) link
All in all, I think that might be the most interesting, entertaining and funniest Dylan doc/movie (although I loved the Pennebacker ones for other reasons).I mean just the McGuinn/Dylan duo at the end is amazing crazy !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
I've heard lots of stories of people hanging around or with Bob on tour and otherwise and never talking to him, from Steve Earle to Pete Townshend. Even the people who work with him. There's that great story of Charlie McCoy working on a session in NY or whatever and then getting introduced to Dylan and Dylan basically asking him on the spot to record something. Dylan drops him right into Desolation Row, which iirc McCoy had never heard and which he only took one run at, and that was that, at least for then.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link
lol love Petrucci got in this threadbut to be clear, sweep picking isn't just fast playing arpeggios, it's playing the up and down the fretboard picking all down strokes, then all up strokes back down allows for more efficient shredding than doing alternate picking
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:27 (four years ago) link
also if it wasn't the fake art film Bette Midlers husband who filmed the original footage, who did?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:28 (four years ago) link
Howard Alk and co. one assumes
― Number None, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
Howard Alk was the main filmmaker/collaborator with Dylan. They also put together Eat The Document. Alk is sort of a shadowy figure in the Dylan saga — committed suicide in the early 80s I think?
― tylerw, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
Never heard of him except in this context, so yeah, shadowy.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:42 (four years ago) link
Leaving him out of the new film feels meaningful — he and Sara Dylan were major parts of the rolling thunder revue but they’re both nowhere to be found here.
― tylerw, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
hmmmthat's kind of fucked up because honesty the more I think about this, I think that for me 75% of what makes this great is that footagethe new Dylan and Joan interviews were great but the fakery stuff didn't do much for methat footage of Dylan and Joan at a bar kind of wistfully talking about why they didn't end up together was really affecting
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link
Dylan driving the tour bus himself
I had a chuckle at that. Breaker breaker, good buddy.
Another great quick bit was the group singing "Love Potion No. 9". Joni really got into it.
― Sam Weller, Monday, 17 June 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
They should have done the Tijuana Brass version.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:58 (four years ago) link
Dylan driving bus was amusing. Missing Sara was kind of disturbing, I guess.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 13:59 (four years ago) link
And maybe a way to be left alone on the road... but I'm not sure there's another example of a big star driving his/her own tour bus !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 17 June 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
I wonder what his handle was.
― Sam Weller, Monday, 17 June 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
Do you really think he drove the bus that often, aside from that clip?
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 14:23 (four years ago) link
Jack Frost drove it the other times iirc
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 June 2019 14:25 (four years ago) link
Well I suppose he didn't drive it THE WHOLE tour but there are at least a couple or more moments in the filmm where you can see him driving.
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 17 June 2019 14:56 (four years ago) link
that's kind of fucked up because honesty the more I think about this, I think that for me 75% of what makes this great is that footagei might be wrong, but alk's absence might be more of a covert tribute — from what I gather, he was as responsible for eat the document and renaldo and clara's overall aesthetic/vision as Dylan ... so I get the feeling he might approve of the weird subterfuge of the new doc.
― tylerw, Monday, 17 June 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
the new Dylan and Joan interviews were great but the fakery stuff didn't do much for methat footage of Dylan and Joan at a bar kind of wistfully talking about why they didn't end up together was really affecting
that footage of Dylan and Joan at a bar kind of wistfully talking about why they didn't end up together was really affecting
I thought that conversation between Dylan and Joan was contrived to the point that maybe it was scripted for Renaldo and Clara except she refers to him as Bob. Regardless, the entire movie is fake in the sense that the purposes for which the footage was filmed all those years ago is not the same purposes to which it is put now. It’s one of the most Bob things Bob has ever done.
― Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Monday, 17 June 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
Yeah, immediately after watching couldn’t remember whether that convo was or was supposed to be new footage or old footage.
― TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
it felt very strange for them, esp Bob, to be talking that intimately on camera about their relationship so i still am not sure if it was legit
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:08 (four years ago) link