I met you...at JC POLLney - ILM Artist Poll #97 - BECK - the Results Thread

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i was one of the number one votes for "Debra." seeing it live is what put it over the top for me as well.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:15 (seven years ago)

Beck had originally attempted to record "Debra" with the Dust Brothers for Odelay, but was either not happy with the recording, or felt it didn't fit on the album, or both. ("I thought it was too jokey," Beck once admitted.) But the song was a natural for the stage: "What happened is we started playing it live and it became the centerpiece of the whole set. It was the song that people would react to more than the songs that they'd heard on the radio. So we kept playing it and playing it." It took on a life of its own, and the energy that was breathed into the song was clearly noted. "I think its life began as being tongue-in-cheek and silly, but somewhere along the way, like the way we performed it every night, it acquired some other dimensions," Beck explained.

When Beck put together the Deluxe version of Odelay in 2006, he mentioned including the original recording of "Debra" as a bonus treat. However, it did not end up there: whether he could not find it or what happened to it, I do not know. Hopefully, he still has it and it can be released sometime.

Anyway, after playing the song live for a few years, Beck went and recorded the song again for Midnite Vultures. In fact, I would not be surprised if the live success of "Debra" drove the direction of Vultures: both the song and album are melanges of soul, funk, humor.

Still, in many ways, the album version does not compare to the excitement of live versions, which could and would go off on tangents on Beck and the band's whims. Nonetheless, "Debra" still shows off many dimensions, including Beck's "seventeen-octave vocal range," his humor, his natural ability with melody, his ease at absorbing influence. The song, as often thought, isn't a mockery either, but a tongue-in-cheek ode to the R&B phenomenon. Maybe it was borne as a bit of a joke, but it ended up more a tribute. As Beck explained, "It's fascinating to me, these guys singing R&B with a very sweet, smooth groove, but they're singing about how they want to get some girl's panties off and do them real good. Very explicit, but very sensitive at the same time. It's a really weird juxtaposition." Musical juxtaposition is basically Beck's main goal (especially on Midnite Vultures), so the song fits perfectly.

"Debra" has grown a lot over the years. One constant (besides the lyrics) is the skanky bass riff, which was lifted from a Ramsey Lewis track called "My Love For You" on his album Funky Serenity. On record, Justin Meldal-Johnsen plays the lick on his upright. I have a feeling that David Bowie's own Vultures-soul record, Young Americans, was a big influence on the sound here, especially the song "Win." Beck has mentioned numerous times R. Kelly's song, "I Like The Crotch On You" being an inspiration, and lo and behold, one of the first lines of that song is "I wanna get with you." Not there originally, the "Lovely lady / Girl you drive me crazy" coda developed on stage, and was lifted in from Kool Keith's "Lovely Lady." Beck of course uses all of these as launching points for his own tale of seduction, and over time, it surely has become one of the classics of Beck's career.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:16 (seven years ago)

holy heck, "Orphans" hasn't surfaced yet?

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 7 June 2019 22:17 (seven years ago)

is there a comprehensive list of Odelay samples anywhere?

https://www.whosampled.com/album/Beck/Odelay/

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 June 2019 22:20 (seven years ago)

Yeah I'm happy to see Debra place where it did. I feel like it nails the sweet spot of what Midnite Vultures was going for, it's funny without being a parody, but also just a really joyful celebration of what's fun about a certain kind of song. I get why some people think why Midnite Vultures might veer too close to mockery or w/e, but imo its impossible to listen to Debra and not think that it was made by musicians who really love that sound

One Eye Open, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:21 (seven years ago)

xp thanks!

Ambient Police (sleeve), Friday, 7 June 2019 22:22 (seven years ago)

obligatory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thdXQCKNaCk

Jeff the grown man (voodoo chili), Friday, 7 June 2019 22:23 (seven years ago)

Didnt know about the version from the Odelay sessions mentioned in that blurb! I'd be curious to hear it, but I can also imagine it being a little too much on the jokey side at that point. It's hard to imagine a better version than the Vultures recording

One Eye Open, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:23 (seven years ago)

nicely said One Eye Open.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:23 (seven years ago)

xxxpost

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:24 (seven years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/tzUvJ0u.jpg
6. Pay No Mind (Snoozer)
From: Mellow Gold
Single Released: April 1994
521 Points, 16 Votes, 1 Number One

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:30 (seven years ago)

Debra is awesome—Clearly inspired by Prince’s Adore, and it gets much closer to the original than it seems like it should

Also Bowie’s “Win”

calstars, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:31 (seven years ago)

Great song, weirdly haunting, had to vote

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:31 (seven years ago)

I hate Debra.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2019 22:32 (seven years ago)

I love "Win."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 June 2019 22:32 (seven years ago)

this was number 12 for me, so this placement makes sense.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:37 (seven years ago)

And the drugs won't kill your day joooooob

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 7 June 2019 22:40 (seven years ago)

Said to be one of the oldest songs on Mellow Gold, Beck has claimed that he wrote it as a struggling musician, at the age of 18 or 19. Beck claimed that the song originally had ten verses, which were cut down for commercial release. On a limited number of Mellow Gold 12" vinyl albums, one can hear a version with an added stanza, which is inserted between the first and second verses of the standard Mellow Gold version.[1] It should also be noted "Got No Mind," a re-recorded, electric full-band arrangement of "Pay No Mind,", features three of the seven verses of "Pay No Mind" that were cut on Mellow Gold and is included on the single for "Beercan."

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:49 (seven years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/qskm80o.jpg
5. Novacane
From: From: Odelay
Released: June 18, 1996
563 Points, 17 Votes

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:50 (seven years ago)

Haha yesssss!! My #5 and the poll's too. What a goddamned trip

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:51 (seven years ago)

WELL HANDLED

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:51 (seven years ago)

Forgot to vote for "Modesto"

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:54 (seven years ago)

fuck yeah

Simon H., Friday, 7 June 2019 22:57 (seven years ago)

"Novacane" is a blast of energy in the middle of Odelay; ironic because novacane is a numbing drug, the opposite effect of a blast of energy. Beck uses a punk rock riff to explore the thrill of touring, while his lyrics convey the opposite side�that constant touring can also be numbing. And to top it off, Beck explained, "We needed to subvert the aggro posturing, so we put in disco horns."

The initial title of the song was "Novacane Express," which clarifies the subject of the song even more, if the constant highway/truck/travel images weren't clue enough.

The attitude is of the song is clear. "On that tune I was down with Ice Station Zebra and Convoy," explains Beck, "kicking ass Antarctica-style." (Ice Station Zebra being a war film, and Convoy a movie about truckers.) Before playing the song in 1995, Beck said "This is called 'Novacane Express,' it's about the last convoy!"

More recently, in 2008, Beck reminisced again about this Convoy film: "Spike (Jonze) and I talked about doing a video together for ten years before we actually ever did one. One of our first conversations was about the movie Convoy � he was obsessed with it. He wanted to do a video where I was in a convoy, so I wrote all this truckers-going-into-oblivion imagery."

An interesting note on the recording is that his vocals were apparently done via walkie-talkie, for that full on CB radio effect.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:58 (seven years ago)

MISSION INCREDIBLE UNDERCOVER CONVOY
Full-TILT CHROMOSOME COWBOY
X-RAY SEARCH AND DESTROY
SMOKESTACK BLACKTOP NOVOCANE BOY

Simon H., Friday, 7 June 2019 22:58 (seven years ago)

simon otm

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 22:59 (seven years ago)

Forgot "Puttin It Down" as well.

"So what
I lost my job at the hut
My ass got cut
But I'll be better at kissing
When my teeth are all missing
And the silverware's burnt
And I'm eating with my fingers"

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:00 (seven years ago)

The recorded Debra is a fine pastiche, but it was a joy explosion live in 1997.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 7 June 2019 23:09 (seven years ago)

Top 4

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:13 (seven years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/IXkqrAc.jpg
4. Beercan
From: Mellow Gold
Single Released: 1994
648 Points, 18 Votes, 4 Number Ones

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:13 (seven years ago)

yep. big points from me. undeniable. swirling chickens caught in flight. and more!

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:15 (seven years ago)

Apparently I need to go stream/buy a cheapie CD of Mellow Gold.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 June 2019 23:17 (seven years ago)

BTW, "Got No Mind" got 2 votes and 58 total points...

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:20 (seven years ago)

This song and the title track off the album would twist my arm, and encourage me to have that first beer.

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:23 (seven years ago)

Is every track from MG gonna place cuz this is ridiculous

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:29 (seven years ago)

Great, innit? Either our nitemare hippy friend is in the top three or she's dealing with her Texas-sized tofu issues

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:30 (seven years ago)

That said, the top three is obvious

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:31 (seven years ago)

I guess the album is not called "Loser"

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:34 (seven years ago)

Fuck man BECK is a "trigger" for m e.

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:35 (seven years ago)

this placement is a surprise to me

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:39 (seven years ago)

Top 3

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:40 (seven years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/wUIkIM6.jpg
3. Where It's At
From: Odelay
Single Released: July 11, 1996
One vote for U.N.K.L.E. remix
739 Points, 22 Votes, 1 Number One

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:40 (seven years ago)

glad it isn't higher

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:41 (seven years ago)

not coz it's bad but coz the other two feel worthier

imago, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:43 (seven years ago)

I get what you mean, I did vote for it.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:44 (seven years ago)

Not sure if I have heard the Unkle mix.

Bee OK, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:45 (seven years ago)

“Winos throwing frisbees at the Sun” has been my MO since ‘94

calstars, Friday, 7 June 2019 23:53 (seven years ago)

I do remember hearing this for the first time and it blew my mind. I thought, how could I possibly love music any more?

Bee OK, Saturday, 8 June 2019 00:01 (seven years ago)

Yes! "How ya like me now? / Pretty good" -- BEERCAN #1

orifex, Saturday, 8 June 2019 00:03 (seven years ago)

Somebody put a flamethrower on this!

BrianB, Saturday, 8 June 2019 00:06 (seven years ago)


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