Natural Snow Buildings, ambient or not?
― Siegbran, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:38 (five years ago) link
is jeff mills ambient?
― the late great, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
"Low Power" had already been nominated, so you're at 4/30.
― Tuomas, Sunday, May 19, 2019 12:20 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Funny, I probably forgot to check this one because among my picks I was convinced it was the least likely to have already been nominated!
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:54 (five years ago) link
Jonny Nash & Suzanne Kraft - Passive Aggressive
There! 5/30
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
Oh wait...
Kara-Lis Coverdale - A480Kara-Lis Coverdale - GraftsKate NV - для FOR
8/30
― Evan, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
The more I’m trawling my library for nominations, the harder it gets to draw a clear line between ambient and minimalist/classical (Arvo Part? Terry Riley? La Monte Young?), IDM (BoC, Autechre, FSOL), metal (Filosofem, Sunn((O)), Lustre, Boris, Darkspace), minimal/dub techno (Deepchord, Jeff Mills), 90s ambient house/trance (The Orb, Sequencial, Solar Quest), downtempo/psybient (Shpongle, Entheogenic)...even though I’m more of the ‘big tent’ school I end up chucking out all the borderline cases since there’s so much worthy stuff to nominate that is unambiguously ambient.
― Siegbran, Sunday, 19 May 2019 18:30 (five years ago) link
I'm more inclined to follow this poll than participate because I've got quite a catholic approach to what ambient is and I want to see what the headz are into but:
Pete Namlook - Air-You
(1/30)
― or something, Sunday, 19 May 2019 19:21 (five years ago) link
I suppose it’s a comp so delete if necessary but:David Bowie - All Saints
― 29 facepalms, Sunday, 19 May 2019 19:54 (five years ago) link
i'm still early on in david toop's Ocean of Sound, but i'm really enjoying it. some words from him and also from biosphere and the orb:
“much of the music i discuss could be characterized as drifting or simply existing in stasis rather than developing in any dramatic fashion. structure emerges slowly, minimally or apparently not at all, encouraging states of reverie and receptivity in the listener that suggest (on the good side of boredom) a very positive rootlessness.”
“ambient music os more a way of listening, an umbrella term for attitude, rather than a single-identifiable style.”
“before Geir [Jennsen, Biosphere] goes on stage to press the first button, he wants to lay one more ambient cliché to rest: ‘i hate it if people use my music as a background. when i was listening to jon hassell and brian eno, i was inspired to know more about the himalayas or astronomy, egypt and archaeology. i want people to get inspired to read astronomy or get another view of the universe. to be curious.”
Alex Patterson of the Orb: “…i spent four or five hours playing really early dub reggae. you don’t have to dance to it, you just nod your head to it. it’s still ambient to me. some of the effects on those records - a four track, in a huge in Orange Street, Kingston, and they’d make sounds like that. it puts us to shame when you think of how much we’ve got to play with.”
also, on a completely unrelated note, this amazing passage:
“in the early 1930s, a man named geoffrey christian witnessed a demonstration of an instrument used on the upper purari river, papua new guinea, during full-moon dances. for the ten to sixteen days of this ceremony, the men ate very little but drank huge amounts of water through long bamboo pipes. five or six of them would then sit in a circle and balance large, polished hardwood disks on their toes or knees. ‘each man lifts his diaphragm’, wrote christian, ‘and the edge of the disk is thrust deeply into the pit of the stomach; all then depress their diaphragms on to the upper surface of the circumference of the disk and open their mouths. an old man then takes a stone-headed hammer and gently hits the centre of the disk. the sound appears to reverberate from the distended lungs, and issues forth from the mouths of the seated men; the effect is a deep booming sound, similar to the sound of the big skin-headed drums of other parts.’
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
ambient music is more a way of listening, an umbrella term for attitude, rather than a single-identifiable style.
this is essentially how i think about and use the A-word too
― specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:21 (five years ago) link
I feel bad for starting the dub techno debate - especially when I nominated the Rod Modell album by mistake! I meant to nominate Rod Modell and Michael Mantra’s Sonic Continuum. I got the album titles switched. I’m glad if my error turned some onto that great album, though. I’m fine with striking that one and replacing it with Sonic Continuum.
― beard papa, Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:26 (five years ago) link
another passage that would argue for the expansive definition:
'various forms of this music have been called, with varying levels of appropriateness, ambient, environmental, deep listening, ambient techno, ambient dub, electronica, electronic listening music, isolationist, post-industrial ambient, space music, beautiful music, sound art, sound design, electronic music without beats, brainwave music, picture music, ambient jungle, steady state music, holy minimalism, Fourth World, New Age, chill out, or the useless one to cap them all, new music. but no genre category adds up to much more than media shorthand or a marketing ploy. open music might be a more useful catch-all name for what i am talking about, except for the fact that a proportion of this music, sometimes a high proportion, is vacuum sealed, zipped up in a droning Om-zone of discarnate reverie resistant to intervention and crackling quietly at the back of the freezer.'
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:27 (five years ago) link
isn’t that book great?
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
I end up chucking out all the borderline cases since there’s so much worthy stuff to nominate that is unambiguously ambient.
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
Here’s a recent goodreads review I wrote for ocean of sound: I first read Ocean Of Sound in high school, and found it to be a dizzying and overwhelmingly intoxicating read. As the years went by and my sense of aesthetics developed, I would revisit passages and find myself becoming more and more in tune with its vision of music. Nowadays it's practically my bible. On my fourth or fifth front-to-back read now, I find myself emphatically thinking "Yes! Hell yes!" to the ideas of the musicians that Toop interviews/describes (as well as the ideas of Toop himself). This is a magical and inspiring work about various strands of non-programmatic 20th century music; music that drifts, music that explores, music that allows things to happen. It's sad that most "ambient" music these days is cheap programmed melodramatic soundtrack fodder. Yeah this book was written 20 years ago but the vast ocean (heh) of ideas and thoughtfood here will inspire any artist who is truly interested in transcendence.
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:53 (five years ago) link
sorry
― brimstead, Sunday, 19 May 2019 21:54 (five years ago) link
Spotify playlist is mostly up to date, and hilariously long. I'll paste things I can't find on Spotify here, in case anyone knows better/has the benefit of local licencing/wants to do something else with them:
https://pastebin.com/kinHYBWn
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 20 May 2019 00:30 (five years ago) link
anybody know how to open that spotify link in app instead of in the browser?
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:43 (five years ago) link
if you search for Nag! Nag! Nag!'s username (empeecee), you should be able to find it in his public playlists
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:55 (five years ago) link
and yeah, huge props to NNN for putting all that together
― lispectah deck (unregistered), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:56 (five years ago) link
Does the app like this better?spotify:user:empeecee:playlist:4fPPFJHHNihMjlO9GVEs6F
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 20 May 2019 00:57 (five years ago) link
nice! that did work, thanks! I did try searching by username before but didn't have any luck.
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 20 May 2019 01:20 (five years ago) link
Alio Die & Mathias Grassow - Expanding HorizonASC - Nothing Is CertainAtrium Carceri - Ptahilbvdub - Return To TongluCarbon Based Lifeforms - World Of SleepersCircular - DivergentDeutsch Nepal - Tolerance (How the Servant Utilized His Masters)Entheogenic - Spontaneous IlluminationHerbst9 - Buried Under Time And SandIldjarn-Nidhogg - HardangerviddaIshq - OrchidKlaus Wiese, Ted de Jong & Mathias Grassow - el-Hadra: The Mystik DanceKreng - GrimoireNatural Snow Buildings - The Dance Of The Moon And The SunNorthaunt - Barren LandOöphoi & Tau Ceti - Celestial GeometriesOrganum - Birds' Wings Were Glued To Their Bodies And Their Feet Froze To The GroundOval - 94 DiskontRapoon - The Fires Of The BorderlandsSchiller - AtemlosShinjuku Thief - The Witch HavenSuspended Memories - Forgotten GodsSvartsinn - Elegies For The EndTroum & All Sides - ShutûnWhen - Svartedauen (The Black Death)V/A - ...And Even Wolves Hid Their Teeth And Tongue Wherever Shelter Was Given V/A - Ambient 4: Isolationism30/30
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 08:01 (five years ago) link
Much as I like the 'big tent' definition and I appreciate that 'open music' can be created in many many forms, indeed music that drifts and feels organic & all that but I can't really bring myself to vote for Lee Scratch Perry or Kruder & Dorfmeister or Autechre or Penderecki or endlessly droning black metal records, in a poll like this even though you can credibly argue they're all ambient in one way or another.
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 08:13 (five years ago) link
Arthur Russell - World of Echo
(2/30)
― paolo, Monday, 20 May 2019 08:56 (five years ago) link
Fabio Orsi - WinterreiseEzekiel Honig - Surfaces of a Broken Marching BandPan American - White Bird ReleaseFormer Selves - Selige SehnsuchtJack Jutson - Mother OfficialSarah Davachi - August HarpSarah Davachi - Baron CourtASC - Fervent DreamSecret Pyramid - Movements of NightWil Bolton - Quarry Park
10/30
― groovemaaan, Monday, 20 May 2019 09:56 (five years ago) link
ASC is going to suffer massively from vote splitting is he?
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 13:52 (five years ago) link
I thought abt nominating that Organum record Siegbran, thanks. I think it qualifies here, some of their stuff is just too noisy but that one's massive and droney.
― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Monday, 20 May 2019 14:02 (five years ago) link
Yes that’s a corker.
I’m now revisiting the When record, that might be a bit too noisy to warrant inclusion, these collage-type records certainly set a mood but ‘ambient’ doesn’t really fit the bill.
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 14:46 (five years ago) link
oooh, I forgot about Shinjuku Thief, nice
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 20 May 2019 14:47 (five years ago) link
Natural Snow Buildings - The Dance Of The Moon And The Sun
Is this included in Daughters of Darkness?
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2019 16:29 (five years ago) link
Daughter Of Darkness is a completely different album no?
― Siegbran, Monday, 20 May 2019 17:01 (five years ago) link
I was thinking the box set, which on review of the rules would not qualify.
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Monday, 20 May 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
The Dance of the Moon and the Sun is glorious.
― Good cop, Babcock (Chinaski), Monday, 20 May 2019 18:38 (five years ago) link
Agreed about Feldman, especially, say, The Viola in My Life.
Can't believe I forgot to mention Rothko Chapel. I would actually be ok with that nom.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:55 (five years ago) link
Area C: Touch PiecesBarry Cleveland: MythosChristian Høy Knudsen: HavForest Management: DelicateKlaus Weise: Qumra IIKowalski Room: Modern Urban StarlightLightwave: Musique ProvisoireMichel Redolfi: Desert TracksMurmer: What Are The Roots That ClutchRobert Henke: Layering BuddhaStijn Hüwels: TomodachiSubterrene: Bathetic ResonanceTatsuya Nakatani: GongThe Young Gods: Music for Artificial CloudsThumpmonks: Noir SelectionsTor Lundvall: Empty CityWarmth: EssayZimoun: Drums
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 01:57 (five years ago) link
Area C: Touch Pieces
Ledriver, this appears to be a 20 minute extra disc that came with the album "Charmed Birds Against Sorcery", not an album in its own right. Do you wish to nominate the whole 2 disc album?
Kara-Lis Coverdale - Grafts
Evan, this is an EP and it lasts only 22 minutes, so it doesn't meet the poll criteria. So you still have 23 nominations left.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link
I didn't even know it was an extra disc. I don't have the original. I withdraw that and will submit more if I think of some.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Friday, 24 May 2019 00:25 (five years ago) link
Oh darn! 30 min or more, right. Got it.
― Evan, Friday, 24 May 2019 03:05 (five years ago) link
The nomination list should be up to date now, lemme know if anything is missing. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X14B7JHAooNtfPbNilJ1xPshNaKBbL6q-8E1xUdM7xU
― Tuomas, Friday, 24 May 2019 05:23 (five years ago) link
Now I have my work cut out for me to find and listen to every one of these 500 albums and come to a fair and unbiased judgement of its relative rank.
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Friday, 24 May 2019 07:39 (five years ago) link
Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To ChildrenBoards of Canada - GeogaddiBoards of Canada - The Campfire HeadphaseBoards of Canada - Tomorrow's HarvestBrian Eno - Another Green WorldArthur Russell - InstrumentalsJon Keliehor - The Beginning Of TimePendant - Make Me Know You SweetVarious Artists - Mono No AwareVarious Artists - bblissHappy Meals - Full Ashram Devotional Ceremony (Volumes IV - VI)Cucina Povera - HiljaCucina Povera - ZoomIona Fortune - Tao Of IPenelope Trappes - Penelope OneColleen - Captain Of NoneColleen - A Flame My Love, A FrequencyXYR - El DoradoHuerco S - UntitledPontiac Streator and Ulla Strauss - Chat
23/30
― paolo, Friday, 24 May 2019 09:15 (five years ago) link
Boards Of Canada ambient or IDM/Downtempo? I was also listening to that Hammock Kenotic record and while it's great, that's mostly a straight up shoegaze/postrock record with lots of uptempo beats.
― Siegbran, Friday, 24 May 2019 10:12 (five years ago) link
BoC have too many boring beats to be ambient.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2019 11:20 (five years ago) link
"Boring" and "ambient" in the same sentence?! I never! *clutches pearls*
However I do agree that BOC don't really strike me as ambient.
However however I am tickled that we've basically got Colleen's whole discography now (only missing her Mort Aux Vaches).
― Tormund Giantsbabe (Leee), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
Love Colleen but there’s not a single record of her that I’d consider ambient. Perhaps only Colleen et les Boîtes à Musique?
― Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:45 (five years ago) link
List of nominations looks great. Extremely stoked.warpairobotsippingdaiquirionpoolfloatie.jpeg
― but everybody calls me, (lukas), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
Do we have a campaigning thread?
― Siegbran, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
I'm sad that David Sylvian's Gone to Earth sides 3/4 can't go in because of sides 1/2.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:51 (five years ago) link
I hate to my nominations so Brian Eno-centric because, duh, but we have to make sure this one is on there:
Brian Eno - Lux
very underrated album in his catalog imo
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 May 2019 18:27 (five years ago) link