Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs? Pt. 2: The Saga Continues.

Hey y'all, my boy got out last night. That's my d-o-g-g from wayyy back!!! He been in for like 4 or 5 years. He was asking me about the Internet because he heard some things, but he's never been on it. Man, they hit the strip club last night and when they called me I was sleep so they went without me. That one hurt, lol. All they had to do was knock on the door, hit a brother on the hip, or something. Well, I guess they gonna celebrate some more today, and I'm wide awake. Wiz and Dolo, I never really was into Rakim, so I had no idea that he had spit that ghostbuster verse. I think I was more on to NWA back then. I got a fresh volume for the board and I think it'll be better then the last 2 or 3 since I ain't spit one in awhile. But still, those last few held there own, lol; I stand by all of 'em. Holla

Redirect (V-15)

Hillis, last verse shows how much he studied me/ since we goin like that I gotta mention your buddy B (Best)/ When asked who I felt copied, I said it was him/ that beef is now squashed but lets look at it again/ I said BEST bit, he defended himself/ I SAID BEST bit, not anyone else/ We exchanged words. I disagreed, but felt cuz/ It's all water under the bridge; like he said "internet love"/ But this is the part that makes no sense/ I SAID BEST BIT; why did Hill come to his defense?/ Hill said it himself, Best can stand on his two/ Best is a grown man, he needs no help from you./ Hill still my boy, but on the real he be faking/ When you said you got a case, you were mistaken/ I said you cite your sources because at the time you did/ but that has since changed, like an adult from a kid/ Recall the line "If this was court I'd sue"/ Who spat it 1st and who took it from who?/ And "I am a Christian," did you not bite that?/ I think you did. Why didn't you cite that?/ I mean you named all the other times I gave you some praise/ but you act like I'm alone. Don't it go both ways?/ On the real I don't care, so say what you will/ I said one person bit and I neva said Hill./ Well, I did when he told me to stop whinin'/ But I would have kept it to myself; my biz I was mindin./ Pac said he took Big's beat? Why you telling me?/ I couldn't careless even if he took two or three/ Please don't try to put words in my mouth/ That's the main problem with so called rappers from the South/ They be spittin some str8 up nonsense/ And you need to stop acting like your flow is str8 up God sent/ You compare yourself to the Lord a little too often / As well as your hate towards most of my volumes./ Take your last post for example, when you scold my accusation /You imply that I'm wrong, but that's where you faking/ If I should stop whinin, why are you doing it too?/ You screaming so much, I thought you were Clue/ All I'm saying is, "If it annoys you....Okay"/ But you're doing it too, you can't have that 1 both ways./ I never brought charges towards you, that was a counter suit/ You came messin with me, like a girl with a flute/ Peep out how he has no case against me/ He speaking on Nas, Biggie and Jay-Z/ trying to attach me to them, like I know them guys/ thus Qoolalypse spits truth, Hillmatic spits lies/ Talk like you running the thread, but only your mouth is running/ Be like the late great Aaliyah: More than a Women"/ You ain't no king on here; you might be a Nubian/ yeah, I mean a queen, and no you won't win/ You ain't hardly loved by all, so you can rest that/ and that line about S cop; I won't address that/ Look at you dogg, speaking nothing but trash/ Why you hate Qool? Why u gotta Qool-bash?/ Never mind I don't care, we all know I inspire you/ And I wish you were my intern, just so I could fire you/ But look at this volume, I did send you flames/ and you might be a vet, but don't fake on my fame./ Trying to deny Qool's contributions to this, that was pure hate/ And implying that Hillis did it all, that was pure fake./ Tell me whose post do you like reading the most?/ With that I rest my case like "That's all folks"/ And to all you other shooters who subliminally take shots/ you only get half a bar....NOT!

Todd Bridges, get ran off the thread quick/ Hillary Clinton, get ran of the thread quick/ Best is grown, why come to his defense?/ And how much of Qool's stuff gonna come out your fat lips?/ You done gave props on every one of my classics/ Like Squirrel Police you suck, why don't u just quit?/ you pop BS, go ask the vet formerly known as QS.

And another thing let me address these quotes.

"Qoolout, dawg? What other stuff have folks been takin from you? You know I ain't bout infringin on copyrighted material. Like they say in middle school, "Plagiarism ain't qool." HILLIS 3000 (1/22/02) "Hillis, sup dogg? Naw, I ain't mean you. You cite your sources so we qool, and I done quoted you and I too told that you spat it." QOOLOUT (1/22/02) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: Yes at the time I didn't mean you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"This is 4 you Hillis. I'm out like me. Get it?" QOOLOUT (1/23/02) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: What's your point? You said the same thing on (4/6/02) ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"3:16 and Hillis, y'all get props from me. I made it a hot line/ y'all made it a hot rhyme. I gots to admit, y'all made that joint better than the original, lol" - QOOLOUT (1/24/02) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: Like I said before, w/out the original you couldn't have said it. You got props, now where are mine? ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Best, I wasn't gonna say it at 1st, but the time has come...you copied a lot of what I said...Hillis asked who I was speaking of when I said people copied me, and I'm just making it known." QOOLOUT (2/10/02) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: Yeah, at the time I was just talking to Best. Later, I addressed others. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"If we was going to say who had the best flow, it would vary...If you like some witty funny lines, then H3K is your man." QOOLOUT (3/6/02) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: I also mentioned Best right here. I know you know that, but just in case someone else doesn't know it. My point was, there is no best spitter on here because what one person likes, might be trash to another person. You got humor, Best got metaphors, I got creativity and so on and so. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

"Guys I love you/I'm sorry I was beefin, if I could, I would hug you!" HILLIS 3000 (3/7/02) QOOLOUT (3/8/02) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: You put it in "rap form." But Manny said this. Not word for word, but this was the gist, lol. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- All right, Q, I would say you can't use quotes to strengthen your argument cause I did it first, but that ain't me. So go ahead, do what you gotta do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: You keep on saying what you WOULD do. You are doing it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm out like Qool. Peace! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TODAY: I WOULD say I already said this when I switched to the name "All-Out" but go head and do what you gotta do. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Lastly, before we had the battle for the crown or whatever it was I only said one person was jocking. Like I said, me and Best ain't see eye to eye on the topic, but I know I saw and respected his point. That's just a little FYI point.

H3K, we still qool? Just calling it how I see it. I stand by everything I ever posted on here. Holla

now i done sat down, and thought of all the rhymes i done spit/ but im the the mutha fuckin G.E.R.B.I.L. i aint got time to convince/ got no time for halfway rappers, got no tome for no games/got no time for simple niggas acting hard and insane// i gots to give it to you niggas cause im wanting my crown/ now ask yourself " is Kazper the only nigga really holdin it down?" / most likely, you bite me "slightly", most playas hate to like me/and end up on some bitch shit, in "MY" studio trying to fight me// never that. im from that durty durty, 4 eyes like Mississippi/ EAST of that muddy watta', SOUTH of the Mason Dixie/on the bottom right hand corner of the map, i make fake niggas run it/AWWWWWWW NAWWWWWWW, HELL NAWWWWW,Yall done up and done it//dont think its over, niggas thinkin we dont know hip- hop/just cause it's hot as fuck, and niggas down here still sharecrop/ im on another level, like when water rises when ships come to the docks/ yous a balla? how you late on rent for a cardboard box?

A little lightweight diss for QOOLOUT... lol

"FAG TEAM back again/ALL OUT and QOOLOUT, let's begin//every one of ya volumes is nothin but noise/H3K's in the house, jump, jump for joy//accusations over here, accusations over there/but MR. DON'T STOP bout to put QOOL on his derriere//these three words when QOOL is spittin/"Whoomp! You're a thief!"

Am I the only one who noticed that "Whoomp! There it is!" is actually FOUR words, but they say "...these three words when ya gettin busy...?" Anyway, Q, here is my final edition.

The Final Chapter...for Q

"Uh, uh, uh, I HAD to study you, QOOL, I couldn't come wack/you're the hardest to battle cause you make me use facts//with you, FLASH and OPINION just won't cut it/gotta bring it with the truth, if I wanna rebut shit//you switched it up Q, you didn't call me a thief/good job, but I still got somethin for ya ass in this beef//still on that FEMALE shit, but doin the MOST BITCHIN/niggas claimin to be STRAIGHT, but doin the MOST SWITCHIN//and I'm not denying your success, just denying your CLAIMS/not gonna let you SLANDER the great HILLIS 3000's name!//and I DO get the most love, cuz I give out the most/H3K got's a great personality; it's in all of my posts//don't get mad at me Q, cause I'm just so loveable/adored even more than the whole family of HUXTABLES//now you call me TODD BRIDGES, but that makes you VANILLA ICE/it's been seen across the nation how I did you NOTHIN NICE//we always QOOL, but I'm just statin MY case/and if we still battlin for GOAT, then I want it known I'm in FIRST PLACE//and anyway...hold up, my telephone's ringin/Who is this? Who? BEYONCE? you wanna see me this evening?//look, girl, I said you can't have my dick no more/I moved on to KELLI, she's a much better whore//leave me alone, go on somewhere and play!/Goodbye...damn... now what was I about to say?//oh yeah, NOT defendin B, just tryin to defend ME/the fact that you didn't accuse HILLIS is what I wanted you to see//and I wanted you to see that at the time B was the one/not tryin to defend him or start shit, just want my case won//and I've ALWAYS given you props; learn to read my friend/your line about suing and Christian was cited, read my shit again//but don't worry, I got some more quotes at the end//so I can be declared NOT GUILTY and keep my ass out the pen//now I did mention PAC and NAS, but they aren't my arguments fallacies/it's a commonly used tactic we call an ANALOGY//it's used to show a flaw in your opponent's logic/I brought them up to use so my case would be solid//I just did what PAC and NAS did, but if they do it it's cool?/but if I do it, why all of a sudden am I breakin some rules?//true, I said you were whinin about EVERYBODY ELSE/but now you bring a countersuit against HILL? QOOL, put that back on the shelf//I could be a reciter, but I'm also a CITER/give props where props are due, H3K is no biter//and you say it's only B? check both our spits from Round 3/add 3:16 and KAZPER to that list including MORRIS and me//you've actually accused FOUR niggas, not just two/and the proof is in the words that YOU typed, Q//now on to this garbage you keep spittin about my region/why is DC rap imaginary? Q, what's the reason?//and in WASHINGTON, claimin the East must be the style today/how DC gon be East when y'all over 400 miles away?//news flash, East coast is NY and Philly/but you claimin DC as East Coast? Oh really?//since DC rap is a myth, how you get to lay CLAIM to an area?/get a rapper first, THEN try and bring FAME to ya area//the lack of flow is obvious in "sweet" CHOCLATE CITY/tryin to move East, sigh, y'all a SWEET PITY//movin on, when was HILLIS 3000 whinin?/if I'm not mistakin, H3K kept this battle focused on RHYMIN//YOU went into the theft shit; YOU took it there/I only brought up what OTHERS took to show that I didn't care//H3K listened in school, he learned how to share/so if H3K complained, please use quotes and show me where//not about to kidnap the president, but I'm takin the DUBYA/all the H3K IS LORD references is to show I'm ABOVE ya//if we battle to be the GOD of this thread, I ain't afraid to say it's me/I'm just takin the CROWN and the TITLE that y'all are afraid to be//no QOOL-bashin here, you're still a QOOL guy/but your argument is weak, so I await your reply..."

QOOL as Ice, I'm all in yo head, trick! Bi-Polar, on FOX, I put you on ya back, quick! You from DC, so FAG TEAM's gettin TAGged quick! From QOOLOUT to ALL OUT, but still ain't learned how to rap, chick! You're not the tightest and YOU said that, slick! How many lies against HILL is gon come out ya ASS, bitch? Hate Southern rap but contry boys risin fast, trick! DC rap has been laid in a casket! You glad H3K approved some of your shit to be classic! Quit bringin up B, QOOL, don't be an "ass kiss(er)" lol

DA QUOTES!

"Speaking of "qool," I'm thinkin I should change my name to "Hillout..." That would be tight! I bet I would be the first person on here to have a name like that!" HILLIS 3000 (2/19/02) "Hillout, LOL...I'm out like not inside. H3K likes how I started that." QOOLOUT (2/19/02) -- HILLOUT? JOKE! AND YOU RESPONDED LETTIN ME KNOW YOU UNDERSTOOD.

"But save the Allah talk, because I am a Christian" QOOLOUT (3/6/02) "But since I'm a Christian, and I'm in a giving mood, I'll give you a whole bar" HILLIS 3000 (3/12/02) "Hillis since I'm a Christian, lol" QOOLOUT (3/13/02) -- I KNOW YOU BROUGHT UP CHRISTIAN FIRST, AND I WAS GIVING YOU YOUR PROPS ABOUT, BOB, BUT IT WAS INDIRECTLY. I EXPECTED YOU TO NOTICE. AND THEN YOU LAUGHED OUT LOUD, SO THAT MEANS YOU GOT IT, RIGHT?

"Qool, I'm tellin you. Niggaz keep stealin my shit, I'm takin em to court, and I'm gonna sue!" HILLIS 3000 (3/13/02) -- SEE? THAT WAS ADDRESSED TO YOU. I GAVE YOU PROPS (ALTHOUGH INDIRECTLY, THEY WERE PROPS).

"Oops! If this was court, Biggie would sue!" HILLIS 3000 (3/14/02) FROM VOLUME TWO, TAKEN DIRECTLY. JUST FOR YOU, CUZ. I EXPECTED YOU TO NOTICE AND YOU DID.

"Qoolout, that renaming yourself to All Out was an extremely charismatic move. I'm thinking of changing my name to "Illest 3000" just for this battle... lol "I3K," ya feel me? Naw, for real though, that renamin stuff is for you and Pac so I'ma leave it alone." HILLIS 3000 (3/19/02) -- SEE? I3K WAS A JOKE!

"I'm out like Qool." HILLIS 3000 (4/5/02) -- I SAID IT ON THE 5TH NOT THE 6TH. TECHNICALITIES LIKE THAT WILL GET ME A DISMISSAL! ALSO, I USED IT DIRECTLY AS A SUBTLE STAB. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD GET IT, BUT...

"We'll be forever QOOL, but this thread you'll never rule, H3K is the god, sorry QS, you've just lost this duel" - H3K

I'm out like COOL. Peace!

Closing Arguments (V-16) I went to a school called Eastern and it's in DC./ That's why you see east double 9 in the email addy./ I bought up Best cause you bought him up 1st/ Go read you first Qool-diss verse/ You told me to stop whinin' but you weren't involved/ So if you would have just watched, it would've been problem solved/ So obviously you got a problem with Qool/ or you just ain't like me dissin your dude./ Either way you can't deny, the facts that I speak/ now let me tell you why I say South rappers are weak./ See, you rep "bad music", such as 3 6 Mafia/ They suck "floppy donkey" so I was tryin to stop ya/ Yes I rep D.C but never said we had the best rap/ But you're trying to give me that argument. I see thru your trap/ Calling me V- Ice is a weak move even for Hillis/ I only called you Todd Bridges cause Big J called you Willis/ Hold up what's that on my radio?/ Is that some south rap? Oh no; it's gotta go./ I told everybody here not to play that trash/ Oh my bad, they just wanted a quick laugh/ And I said BEFORE the battle for the crown, only one was taking/ I know what I said in the third round. Please H stop faking/ That was after the battle had started/ but either way I never made you a target. / First answer the question, "Did they bite my game?/ Then tell me why Hillis said my name?/ I didn't say "Hillis" so you should have said nothing/ but that ain't in the female's nature. Hillis gotta say something / How you above me when the South is below/ And you still ain't explain why you want Qool as a foe/ Peep this here, I never backed down/ Picture Qool scared. How does that sound?/ Qool-bash all you want bro, I can't prevent it/ And I opt to feel flattered so I won't resent it/ And dog like I said you are not the most like/ Go read the either board to see all of your fights/ So I'm whinin about stealing? But look at your verse/ You whinin about me whinin, now which one is the worse?/ And if I say I'm not the tightest, does that mean 3K is better?/ Nope, no way, naw, nay and never./ Trying to put words in my mouth, and you think you're the best?/ Stick to flowing about Bob and rhyming for Steph/ This youngin 3K is about as real as Hulk Hogan/ But just like him "you will lose" so switch up that slogan/ You think you're the tighest? Negro, what are you smoking/ I would much rather hear B sing about her "Emotions"/ Both of y'all are R&B but your stuff is bluer/ cause in the battle for the crown you were the loser/ Round 1 is done. Now go read what I said./ Qoolout shouted out; went at every posters head/ And you did it too, I got no problem wit it/ But would you have done it if Qool never spit it?/ Maybe not, maybe so, I guess we'll never know/ Kinda like why only Steph received your flow/ Why her and not the rest of us here?/ You ain't want us to clown it, is my guess here./ Naw just joking and yeah I got that from you/ just like you got ya chapters, from that guy you call Q.

Also... "Speaking of "qool," I'm thinkin I should change my name to "Hillout..." That would be tight! I bet I would be the first person on here to have a name like that!" HILLIS 3000 (2/19/02) "Hillout, LOL...I'm out like not inside. H3K likes how I started that." QOOLOUT (2/19/02) -- HILLOUT? JOKE! AND YOU RESPONDED LETTIN ME KNOW YOU UNDERSTOOD. TODAY: Do you have a point? I understood it and I made a joke of it too.

"But save the Allah talk, because I am a Christian" QOOLOUT (3/6/02) "But since I'm a Christian, and I'm in a giving mood, I'll give you a whole bar" HILLIS 3000 (3/12/02) "Hillis since I'm a Christian, lol" QOOLOUT (3/13/02) -- I KNOW YOU BROUGHT UP CHRISTIAN FIRST, AND I WAS GIVING YOU YOUR PROPS ABOUT, BOB, BUT IT WAS INDIRECTLY. I EXPECTED YOU TO NOTICE. AND THEN YOU LAUGHED OUT LOUD, SO THAT MEANS YOU GOT IT, RIGHT? TODAY: Yeah I got it. But you said it some more after that. I knew it was all jokes, so like the other things, I made another joke out of it. And with the "If this was court thing" I ain't trip, just was joking. You can joke but I can't? I3K another joke, yeah I get it. But I needed ammo so I took this.

"I'm out like Qool." HILLIS 3000 (4/5/02) -- I SAID IT ON THE 5TH NOT THE 6TH. TECHNICALITIES LIKE THAT WILL GET ME A DISMISSAL! ALSO, I USED IT DIRECTLY AS A SUBTLE STAB. I THOUGHT YOU WOULD GET IT, BUT... TODAY" But you said it right? Dismiss it, but I got my day in court and my point was made.

"We'll be forever QOOL, but this thread you'll never rule, H3K is the god, sorry QS, you've just lost this duel" - H3K TOADY: I never wanted to rule the thread and you never will rule it, lol. And you ain't God and you ain't win.

I'm out like Hill.

And another thing, Just in case I'm misunderstood. Peep this "Yeah at the time I was just talking to Best" -Qoolout (4-6-02) Hillis, I know after the battle for the tightest started, I implied that others were taking, but this was after the fact. Before the battle I only said one. And before I even said who the others were, you said you see my point. Plus I never said 3:16 or kazper. But, I'm a man I will admit I was talking about them. Now I'm NOT NOT NOT trying to bring you in it, but tell me, in YOUR opinion, they did what I did, after I did it, right? I'm just trying to let you get your position out there, because it seems like you are throwing fuel on it, but acting like you ain't or acting like you don't see my point. I said "seems," so just clear it up. Like I said I stand by whatever I said as Qool, as QS or as All-Out (minus when I was a victim of the impostor). What about you? I think we bout to hit IHOP, so I'm gone. Holla

Yo, QOOL it’s all good DOWN HEAH even if we do make bad rap. lol I ain’t never just want Qool as my foe, I just felt like if we were all battling to be the greatest, then I should challenge my skills by everybody else. So I took it to everyone, and invited these different battles I’m in. And I felt like anyone who entered, really believed he/she was the greatest. Personally, I do think I’m the GOAT. Personally. My opinion. And if only I share that opinion, it’s whatever. But I felt like, why enter a battle to be the GOAT and not believe I’m the GOAT? If I don’t believe in Big Hill, why would I expect anybody else to? But yeah, I took it to all the vets. I said before I did it, it was all love. And honestly, Q, your Round 2 verse was more of a motivation than your Round 1 verse. I felt like you, Best, and Dolo were doing your best by battling, and not just stating why you were #1. So ok, why not battle everybody? If it doesn’t make me the GOAT then it will make me the MOST VERSATILE. And with battlin you, I meant it: you’re the hardest to battle because you pull in outside sources. lol So you were sayin I was a thief, I had to use facts to say I wasn’t. Winnin a battle with Q isn’t necessarily about the rap itself (i.e. metaphors, wordplay, etc), but rebutting his previous volume. I don’t think I won, but I didn’t lose, either. I think we both know I could respond, you could respond, etc. etc. But after a while it gets old like me and Best back on the old board.

Now, I ain’t tryin to start shit, cuz. Can’t we all just get along? Anyway, I had to find something to go after everybody about. So I had to find some facts for you Q (remember, you ain’t about flash or opinion). So you had been on this "I started this" thang (although playing) so I rolled with it. And truthfully, I think you did inspire the subtle disses used by the others, but you also know they wasn’t tryin to not give you your props. So I know you ain’t care; you just used it to strengthen yo raps. So I had to fuck with you about it. I couldn’t bring it to everyone and leave you out! Yeah, I stand by everything I said. Even the DC rap stuff, cuz (sorry, gotta defend my region). The only thing I don’t stand by is you being the worst compared to Squirrel Police. We all suck compared to him.

And my mp3 is too big for y’all shitty ass mailboxes! Do you all have some other mailbox that can hold shit?

I’m out like Squirrel Police from this thread. Peace!

Another thing, Q... what's up with that big ass gap between "I'm out like Hill" and your name and email?

Did y'all hear "Ether 2?" Nas just released it on some under UNDER underground shit. It goes like this, "Who's the best? PAC, Squirrel Police, and BIG..."

I'm out like "on a date." Peace!

When me and Hillis go at it, we take over the joint and shut it down for the weekend and just bang it out. "That's my dogg." -Smokey from Friday. Just like with the B-Ball flows. "We don't take over we borrow (threads) burn 'em down and you can have 'em back daddy, I'd rather that." -Jig

For the most part I feel ya Hillis. I'm glad you straightened out that bull concerning your boy Squirrel Police. I could get an appeal on that alone, lol. I ain't wanna risk bringing this up in the battle but I guess I can tell you now.... Remember that rapper Nonchalant? She sung "Five o'clock in the morning / Where you gonna be? Outside on the conner." LOL, anyway she was str8 outta D.C. That's the only rapper I can think of right now. But on the southern rap thing... I know you like it, but on the real, I'm not feeling too many of them. Scarface I'll give a listen, but not too many others.

As far as you saying you gotta believe that you're the best, I see your point. As I recall, I always left the door open for me to say Qool's the best. For example, I'd say "My flow might not be the tightest etc. etc." but I never came out and said, "I'm NOT the tightest." If I ever did say that, I'm sure somebody gonna call me on it, but I don't think I said it. And I gotta disagree with you a lil about my style. I give a few metaphors and a lil wordplay, like "Bess" or how I called you a "Pittsburgh Steeler" etc. etc. But yeah, I probably do depend on the facts or whatever for most of my ammo. I got a feeling I got some more peeps to deal with now, but I know for a fact, you got some peeps that will address you too, lol. Y'all ever look at your old flows and wish you would have said something different? Like I should have said, "Both of y'all are R&B but your stuff is bluer / and I hollered at Kelly, she told me you blew her." That would have tied in with how you mentioned her, lol.

On a completely different note. Did y'all hear that Sisqo got a diss out towards R. Kelly and Nas? LOL LOL LOL, I ain't hear it yet, but this should be interesting. New topic...I can't think of one, somebody else think of something. Hey Hillis, the title for Starving Artist's first joint, "From the Conners of the World." I don't know, what you got or the rest of y'all. Holla. Oh yeah, that gap you asked about was to show how really out Hill was. LOL, sike, dogg I had no clue that was going to happen and I'm not 100% sure how I even did it.

Typo, my bad. I meant "from the corners of the world" (not conners) because we are from all over, not just one state or city. Did anybody see the Simpsons? That man Homer was pushin'a new Benz, had a crew of crows, and was gettin' high as the sky. Cuz be trippin. Big J, I need some tips for "Live." The computer stays whippin' me, and I keep missin' lay-ups; even with Jordan.

What up, heads? Seems that Q and Hillis got a little discussion up here. Oh yeah, I went to the hotjam concert in Hartford, Ct (with Ja Rule, Fat Joe and Ashanti and Jaheem), that shit was off the hook! I'm going to UConn for most of the week (They're havin' parties all- week and I'ma stay in my boy's dorm), but I'll probably still try to post things here and there, but I'ma pack up so I'll chat later. One.

WHAT UP YAL,WHAT YOU DOING?

hey Hill. try [email protected]

Hey, y'all... lol... ask Qool about his WONDERFUL girlfriend... lmao!

I'm out like Kool. Peace!

What up y'all. I heard Hillis' mp3 joint. He's taking shots at Qool and just about everybody else, but I ain't gonna lie, it's tight. But now I see why hardly no one recieved it. It took about a half hour for it to d-load to my PC. This man went "All-Out." He got the beats changin' up, he got an echo effect in it. I think he even paid a live band to play in the background, lol. Naw, it's tight, but how long did it take you to make it? A month? Hillis, if I asked these bammas what's their favorite color, they'd probably say "pink". And about my WONDERFUL girl: you know who (who) did you know what (what) with you know who (Qool) but just keep that between me and you... for now. Holla

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Hey Q, man. Come on, man. Keep it on the hush... Don't say nothin... Ain't gon be no talkin about Hillis 3000's email signature... LMAO

Hey Q, dawg, my nigga, my boy, favorite nigga I ain't never seen... Keep it on the hush, man. The low, man. The low... LOL

I'm out like Hillis 3000's skeletons from the closet. Peace!

see now you got niggas all anxious to hear the shit. Q, what e-mail account do you have?

hill? you use Sonic Foundry Acid Pro? how much did that run ya? ive got "Frooty Loops" , " Logic", but i only feel comfortable using "Cubase VST/32", thats my shit.

Yo its the B the E to the A-S-T if i wasnt i must have been the MVP

Q how many stars you put that shit on? i only missed 2 lay-ups with AI in 3 years franchise mode. if you new to live you better put that shit on 2 stars for now just to get used to it. but once you do you will be able to beat the computer by like 20 on 3 stars but they be stealin the ball too much on 4.

Yo i cant lie i wrote me a little rap about someone here, was gonna post but it ended but i might post it one day.

Does anyone have the worst of both worlds cd? does Gayz take any shots at Nas?

Oh like i said before what the fuck kind of faggoty name is Rob-BRE? damn boy you retarded.

Hey y'all, I got some WONDERFUL "Blackmail" info on this guy Hillis. It's like that summer jam tape that Jay had. But, I probably won't even reveal it. Big J, I play on 4 stars. I had it since December, but I was playin GTA. Now I beat that, so I'm trying to get good in Live, but it's not that easy. Kazper, I told him to send it to an AOL joint. But I think Steph got it at a hotmail joint. And "Frooty Loops"? Trust, somebody will clown you on that, lol. You should have kept it to yourself. Naw, I'm just messin wit ya. Big J, you know you gonna have to post that flow. Everybody done took shots at just about everybody so go ahead and let us see it (as long as it ain't about me, lol.) Yeah Jay-Z takes a few shots at Nas. One line says "Don't you know I eat "ether" and breathe acid?/ Weak bastards. It's funny. I just let my boy hear Ether for the first time. He was like "JJ Evans?" We were rollin'.

Hillis, I'll give you one guess at what my major is.

New topic, everybody tell what is the best "We miss you song." Like Nas joint to B.I.G and Pac, or Lil' Kim's song to B.I.G. etc. I'll be back with mine. Holla.

I meant Summer Jam pic, not tape. But I was also saying, my boy who just got out said, "Jay kinda got at Nas (on Takeover) did Nas get him back?" I was like, "What?" Dogg, you ain't heard "Ether" yet? Then of course I had to let #2 play. Why is that "JJ Evans" line got me rollin all over again?

"I'm the A to the D-R-I-A-N, ain't a game been invented that I can't win..." - H3K

Yo kazper, cuzzin, I got Fruity Loops. Q, calm down: Fruity Loops is a music program. We ain't on some other shit, cuz. Trust me. Qool, I bet you're gonna graduate with a degree in Journalism. lol Nah, kid, you ain't give me enough clues. Steph had me send her the mp3 to some other shit she had. Her hotmail account couldn't hold it either. Big J, look at us, impatiently waitin. It's like an AIDS test, man. You gotta let us sample ya skills. Is the flow about 3:16? What's up? Trust me; you can't look any worse than Squirrel Police did to us. I mean, we all evenly suck when compared to the rodent officer. So don't be scairt...

Blackmail? On Big Hill? I thought that was supposed to be kept on the low...

I'm out like Vince for the rest of the season. Peace!

My bad, BHZ Balla. I ain't pay for ACID because the TV station where I tape my TV show already had it on the computer down in the studio. That's where I make Hill's Hits.

Hillis, you hit the nail on the head: English/Journalism. If you say y'all ain't on some different stuff with Fruity Pebbles, I guess I'll give the benefit of the doubt and take your word for it. I'm not gonna blackmail ya, but the check is in the mail, right? And I had to send my joint to Steph's other e-mail too. Check out a brother on blackplanet; y'all know the name. Hint, it ain't this name.

Hotmail must be really shitty. I cut my mp3 in HALF and it STILL exceeded everybody's storage allocation. And J-Dolo, what's up with nvctc.com? You couldn't get it, either. Dammit! Kazper, excite.com couldn't get it either. And it's only 1.3 MB! What's up?

Anyway, Q, damn, I thought it might be English or somethin, but the journalism guess was kind of a joke. Well, even when I ain't TRYIN, I'm still right. I'm so tight...

Q, said check is in the mail, if you will. Unfortunately it's made out to the Qool Aid Foundatiuon since your real name is unbeknownst to us. Is it something like "Quincy Smith?" And it's Fruity Loops, dawg. You gon quit clownin my music program... lol

I'm out like everybody but me, Q, and Kazper. Peace!

Damn yo yet ANOTHER rap/shoe commercial. this time its Scareface and Steve "I got a headache" Francis.

aight ill post it but ill tweak it up some

Like Big J said before, "If my name was Jon I'd kill myself." LOL, that one had me lol'in for awhile. "But if my name was Quincy I'd..." you know the rest. And to all who don't know what Hill is talking about...Qool Aid INC. is my charity. All proceeds go to inter city kids. I wish I would have had it back in the day because then Hillis could have joined my camp and learned some b-ball SKILLiS. Also, my charity helps wanna be rappers from the South get some flow. All they have down there for role models are Luda, Mystical and Lil Wane. Thus, the cards are stacked against them. They see them clowns and think that that's how you should spit. So forget that Canibus fund stuff, send your money to the Qool-Aid Foundation. The South is counting on you. Plus, y'all need to look out for my group I'ma put out there called "All-Out's Angels" then my Gospel co-lab-o called "I Am...a Christian" we tryin to get Beyonce' on there. Lastly, we saving the best for last. We gonna bring Nonchalant back, because she can handle any Southern rapper...(if there is such a thing). Holla

All right, Q, your initials match the initials of what I have to take you down, young... Qualified Skill(i)s! In your BP picture, was that a football you was holdin? Might I ask what position you played? I hope it wasn't DB because I'm like a younger Randy Moss, playa! Or did you play QB? If so, I'm also a top notch free safety like my man Merton Hanks (Merton was my mickname in high school cause I was #36, too, and my neck was long like his. HA!) Anyway, we can put down the high top sneakers, son, and pick up the cleats anytime, young! Ya heard me? And another thing, did y'all hear about the battle between DA SOUTH's worst artist (Miracle?) and DC's best artist? Miracle won by default because nobody from DC showed up...

Qool Aid also has a "Move Us Closer To The Real East Coast" fund, which would attempt to put the District of Columbia near Philly. So yeah, forget that Canibus nonsense, and help out Chocolate City.

Big J, I wanna hear ya rap ASAP, playa. But until then, I got somethin just for Q and he gon love it...

The Epilogue...

"Uh, uh, uh, so you wanna play football? put on the cleats/whether turf or grass, you still gon get beat//ask the coaches, they know I'm the nicest/ask the pro scouts, they know I'm the tightest//an NFL combine's dream, I combine speed/and hands and strength, coach, what ya need?//someone to D up Randy? a clutch player for 3rd down?/then I'm yo number one pick in the first round//you need a hail mary caught? then I'm the dude/hey girl, I want to interlude in the nude//"Where did that come from?" is the question/that's what the QBs say when I get an interception//and it's a guaranteed runback, so go head and gimme six/and 18 total for the game, cause I promise 3 picks..."

Where everybody at?

I'm out like Iverson until Larry Brown says he can play agin. Peace!

Hillis, I went to a school called Eastern, so I took half of my e- mail address from there. And Miracle? You can't be serious. I could go get my lil nephew to out spit that clown. I was a wide reciever. Trust, you don't want it with number 83. I'm chillin right now, but you can expect a counter football flow, sooner than later.

All right then, Q, I'll give it to you: your nephew can spit better than Miracle. Which is why it's so sad that he won by default over DC's best artist! And another thing, if your high school was Midwestern, would your style be Midwest? Nah, kid, just fuckin with you. Quante? Quame? Quentin? Am I close?

I'm out like Qool's real name will remain from this thread. Peace!

Almost forgot...

LMAO @ Steve "I got a headache" Francis!

I'm out like Stevie's migraines. Peace!

Where everybody at? Is the Hillis 3000 and Qoolout hip- hop/basketball/footballl throwdown page (with occasional side comments by Big J and Kazper)?

I'm out like damn near EVERYBODY. Peace!

guess what dudes. 2pac's not dead. hes coming back in *3* im guessing 2003...cuz thats when hes supposed to come back. and how do i know? hmmm should i tell? i dunno fuck it i think i will, ure gonna think im crazy. i know from a OUIJA BOARD. lmfao. it wuz real tho. it wuz fucking upsetting, cuz before that my friends and i had just been joking around with it then suddenly it spells my last name and it wuzn't my friends who did it...we each took turns taking our fingers off (there were 3 of us doing, other watching tho) and yea then it said it wuz my grandfather who died a couple years ago and im still not really over it all, and i asked questions only he would know and he got them right. anywayz after all that, which like fuckin traumatized me...lol, my friend and i decided to ask if 2pac wuz dead (it wuz a different spirit at this point lol..) and it said "no" and then we asked when hes coming back and it said "3". seriously im not crazy!!! and it wuzn't made up! i'm positive my friends didn't move it they saw how upset i wuz and i didn't beleive in ouija boards before that, not in spirits, or an afterlife. so anywayz tell me what u think. well u'll probably all find it bullshit, and i wouldn't blame u. so we'll just have to see next year won't we? alrite im out, later xox

Yo, Steph, it's good to know some of y'all still exist. I was kind of worried about my favorite niggas (and white girl) I didn't even know. Now, on your 2Pac scenario, I'm gonna say I'm not sure. It was funny cause I was just thinking the other day about some of life's mysteries. Like Jimmy Hoffa, JFK, and 2Pac. I was wondering if a few years from now, or even 20 or 30 years, we find out that Pac faked his death just to kill Biggie because in reality Biggie DID have something to do with Pac gettin shot the first time. Maybe someone got Biggie to admit it, or Puff, or some other NY niggas that BIG did some foul play. So him and Suge thought up this wild plan. Which is why BIG's mom is charging the LAPD with wrongful death because Death Row's former security advisor planned BIG's death with that Amir cat. Wild, yo? What's the rest of y'all theories about PAC and BIG?

Also, did any of y'all ever listen to Adam Sandler's CDs back in like 95 and 96? "What the hell happened to me?" or "They're all gonna laugh at you?" Funny shit, check Adam Sandler out. He's pure comedy.

ALso, what are the worst raps you ever heard of? And I'm sure some of y'all gon be like "Any line out DA SOUTH" but I thought of it already, so it's old. My vote goes to Six Two on the end of Dr. Dre's "Explosive." Sample this: "Let me tell you bout this bitch I used to know/she gave ya boy da head and said don't let nobody know..." BOOOOOOOOO!!!

I'm out like Shaq with big toe pain. Peace!

Qool suggested we all get on Blackplanet.com so I created an account. Check it out. For tha love of DIRTY!!!

I'm out like Blackplanet.com. Peace!

See thats what i dont like about 2Pac fans. No offense but they always be like he aint dead or faked his death and hes a real thug and all that shit. Yeah a real thug doin shakespere and drama classes. Hes mortal just like us. I used to believe in all those rumors, so many signs but you gotta face the facts. hes dead. Dont get me wrong hes one of my favorite rappers (look at my email).

With the Sixers victory tonight against the bulls (last time they played the 6ers went on like a 38-4 run or some shit like that hahaha) they will be in 4th place and have home court against orlando. now id rather have them drop to 6th and face boston but oh well.

Look out! my rap might come today.

O-M-G Big J's gonna post a verse ooo lookin forward 2 that. Hillis i agree with that 2pac theory. and to everyone, (whats left anyway *tear* lol) any of u heard Nas's new songs The General and...something else i havn't heard. I like the General, its kinda different i find. thats it for noww, lata

dont start tearin ya pretty panties,... J said his verse "might" come to day. nigga been in the thread for UMPteen months, i got to hear suntin fo i get all rawlled up.

nope iaint hurd nuthin from Nas yet. but ,uhh ....i'll keep my ears open.

Just checking in as I usally do now and then. I barely have time to get on the net, but I haven't forgotten about yall. It's love in he heart for all yall. Keep holding this thread down, this thread is three months strong and it's still going. Happy three months yall!

aint posted in a while so I figure I'd post in animation.y'all are talkin about the general by nas,I thought that was released before stillmatic...I dont know maybe Kazaa is keepin a nigga ahead of the times.pac theories,I've quit theorizin coz we all know the truth...pac got killed by southside cripps coz he beat the fuck out of one of thier mans,and then had the nurve to drive off leavin his bodygaurd in another car.As for Big.that nigga got popped coz he was talkin shit about pac on his new album,and everyone at the party knew biggie was gone get it that night and he was told by many niggas (and bitches) to leave early but he wouldnt go.Suge was pissed coz pac was gone and big had songs out where instead of singin rest in peace he was actin like he hadsomethin to do with it.and he had the nerve to come to the hood and act all big willy flossin the way him and puff was doin that nite.

oh and did anyone herar about the soultrain awards shit,where suge stepped to jigga and said whassup,and jigga ignored him and kept talkin to dame,then suge said whassup again,and jigga ignored him.then suge tapped jigga on the shoulder and said "I said whassup",then jigga said whassup.then suge turned and walked away,and jigga and dame started laughin.

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Aiight, the animation was tight, but I don't get it. Anyway, I was listenin to Nas' old shit. Sigh... just more proof he used to be... Also, back to this Pac thang, I feel you Big J on the folks be goin overboard, but I think this Pac thang is a way for God to punish Black folk for makin of White folk about Elvis. Niggas would be like, "Dem crackers crazy, man. Elvis fat ass been dead. White people so stupid!" And now here we is fantasizin about Pac. Ironic, no? But I think it's interesting to hear Pac theories, you know, some "if he was alive type shit." What's the worst rap y'all ever heard. No cracks on DA SOUTH or MY verses in here... lol

I'm out like PAC and BIG (RIP). Peace!

FINALLY.......

3:16 HAS COME BACK.......

TO THE THREAD!!!!

Wassup everybody. Yeah 3:16 is back! I tried to read all the raps put up on here over the last few weeks but that would take to damn long! so I skimmed em. Theones I did read were tight as fuck though. I aint gonna write a long ass post cos I got a lot of work to do so I'll post up sometime tommorow.

Shouts to all the vets...

"3:16, STILL spittin'/Great Britain"

Peace

oh shit, forgot the quote..

"tacklin/mc's to the mat like bob buckland.

Dammit, Big J! Got me all hype ofr the long awaited release of The Beast's first album, and the release date got pushed back! Talk to yo distribution company, dude!

3:16, good to see you again. I feel you on that schoolwork. Shit's REAL hectic right about now. I got a week of classes before my final exams begin. What about the rest of y'all? I'm bout to graduate, but I ain't got no plans for this summer yet. I need a job! Y'all niggas hirin?

In keepin with the original topic... Jay is better than Nas!

I'm out like me from work for this summer. Peace!

What up, heads?. Wiz I did hear about the Jigga/Suge thing. That shit had me rollin. I've read it on www.allhiphop.com. Suge think that niggas should just get out their chairs to say hi to him. I can't even imagine how bad Dame was crackin' out (Anyone ever seen Backstage, with Dame crackin' on everyone includin' Clue "When the needle break, he just gotta put his chin on the record". LOL). Welcome back 3:16 (What?!).

UConn was off the hook last week. I thought Central Connecticut knew how to throw a party, but Uconn was way iller. As ill as last week's parties were, nuthin compares to when the UConn Men won the title in 99. Riot cops on patrol everyday, and atleat 15 peoples got arrested each day durin' that time.

Sportsnews: Did anyone see Sixers vs Magic, when T-Mac scaled up Mt Mutombo LEFT-HANDED WITH EASE?! It's not all that if you're actually left-handed, but HE'S Right-handed and he made it look easy! I ask people who's the best players in the NBA, and I hear Shaq (Most Dominating, immovable object, Jordan (When healthy, the Best Player ever yesterday, today, and forever. You would have to have the countless accolades, individual and championships, and his athletic ability to even skid the surface as of why he's the Greatest {Sorry, Ali} T-Mac (The Total Package), Bryant (The Truth and "Penny Hardaway without the great on court awareness) , Garnett (The Future. This name belongs to Shareef Abdul-Rahim but should have been givin' to the kid.) Iverson (Pound for Pound toughest player in the NBA), Carter (Sir Dunk-a-lot, Half-man, half-amazin'. Enough said.) and Webber (Most handle out of anyone 6' 10'' or taller.), but the best player goes to..........

John Stockton. Why? I'll tell you. He's 40 years old and still runs the fast-break. He's the all-time assists leader. He's unselfish cuz he always PASSES the ball before thinkin' about shooting. No one has done better than him statistically at his age. He's 40 and can still score atleast 20 a game, if he hadn't had Malone or Donyell Marshall (On his 40th birthday he scored 22 and on Sat vs Golden State has scored 26). Still has a jumper. Still has great defense (Younger guards has said that Stockon is one of the hardest defenders to ever go against).And he's older than Malone, yet he STILL HAS HAIR, and he didn't have to use Rogaine. If it wasn't for Malone, Malone wouldnt be avaraging a career 25 a game. Now who's got game. Anyways, if anyone thinks that I am wrong, let me know and why (and him being white doesn't count.) LOL!! Other than that, I rest my case.

I'm out like Malone's receding hairline.

Yo Hillis, my new email address is [email protected], but i don't have speakers for my CPU yet, hopefully I can still hear with headphones if I get it. And Wiz, that dude's neck must've broke after droppin' him on his head like that.

AHHHHHH!!!!..... Now I can talk a bit longer...

Thats as nasty looking animation of somebody being dropped on their head, oooohhh. I did something like that once (not as bad though). I couldn't move for shit for a few seconds after that.

John Stockton, nooooooooo....... And I am not saying that because he happens to be white, I think Marciano is the best boxer of all time after all. Its just becuase hes so DAMN boring! Yeah hes good at what he does, but Jason Kidd does the same thing... Damon Stoudamire used to do the same thing, Jason Williams, Mugsy Bogues (maybe not), AI (but passes less), all do it better. No they dont do it at 40 but Stockton didn't do what they can at 20. Maybe its cos hes a Jazz man, and I hate the Jazz! Best player... Jordan, no AI, no Garnett, no Jordan, NO McGrady, No AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

In other sport, I'm sure you know about Memphis being the location for Lennox Lewis to knock out Mike Tyson (or at least win that shit on points). I just watched my tapes of the Holyfield (won both!) and Rahman fights. The more Lewis prepares, the better he is. Look at the first Rahman bout. Fat bastard gets put on his ass! 2nd fight. Mean- lookin', in proper shape, out to prove something... took the man apart! DESTROYED HIM! Oh my GOD! Lewis has been preparing for the Tyson fight his whole life. Watch this space...

I heard about Jigga and Suge. Suge aint bout it no more, he should give the fuck up. But that shit had me rolling.

Oh back to the topic - Jay-Z is better than Nas. I aint copped "best of both worlds" but the lyrics Hove drops are tight!

Whatup Q, back with the original alias, Hollywood J, Dolo, Hillis, Best, Steph, J. etc etc etc...

Heres a joke about the Queen Mother who passed away. I don't give a fuck, she supported aparthide anyway... "What do the Queen Mother and Princess Di have in common?...

......they were both pushing 101 when they died!" ooh... does that offend anyone? I heard the speed limit you got over there was only 50mph! damn thats slow! We got 70, but cos I like driving fast I usually push 95.

One last serious point, what do you peeps see on the news about the Middle East shit. Cos we heard over here that you are getting the diluted version. The shit that gets watered down so none of the jews get offended. You do know about the massacres in Jenin and shit like that?

I'm out like - NAH THAT AINT ME!!!

Peace

Aiight, I tried sendin my mp3 to everybody again, and I THINK Dolo might have got it, but the rest of you "Hotmail" usin bastards just ain't got enough room.

Dolo, that Stockton point was a joke, right? Look, Stockton is real good. And he probably could play for 5 more years at least. True dat, true dat. But come on, dawg. When the game needs takin over, John Stockton ain't gonna win it for you! He does make plays, but Stockton can't take over games like you know who could. Now Jordan is the best ever, but right now, Shaq is da man. If you find me anybody that can stop him, if you can find me anybody who opposing coaches hate to figure out how to stop more than him, if you find me a player that has as big an impact on any game he's in, then there's your greatest player. But that player doesn't exist, so it's gotta be Shaq. And even his "Achilles heel" goes away when he's needed. He can hit free throws in crunch time, so he's pretty much unstoppable.

After all the September 11th shit I've said, you know that Queen Mother joke didn't offend me. We go 70mph on the interstate, 55mph on highways, 25 in residentials, an 15 in school zones. But in places with a population of 8 like Montana there's no speed limit at all. I need to live there with my "gettin 13 tickets in 6 years" ass.

I'm out like the speed limit in Montana. Peace!

Hillis, you can send your mp3 to my old e-mail: [email protected] but I cant see it for a couple of weeks cos these damn college computers run like a blind man with no legs! You really get all them tickets? SHIT! you must be a really bad driver. I guess your freeways are the equivalent of our dual-carriageways... We got 70 on those, but then we got 60 on little country lanes that aint much wider than the car. I nearly hit a police car on a bend doing about 40. Dude was reading a comic though!

Sorry I cant write much more, but I got to meet up with 3 lovely ladies to do a muthafuckin' presentation on bathrooms!

Black Twang, Roots Manuva, So Solid, Rodney P, Skitz, and all them other UK muthafuckers got to get repped on here cos i aint done that in a while... YOU ALL GOT TO SHOW YOUR RESPECT FOR ROOTS!!!!!!! ALBUM IN ALL GOOD RECORD STORES NOW!!!!!!!!!

hmmm... a bit about sports. Prince Naseem is fighting Emanuel Calvo, so take a look on the TV for a big ass knock-the fuck-out! Tyson gets beat by Lewis soon... uhhh... Football (SORRY... SOCCER) I know none of you care too much, but England look in trouble at the moment. Beckham, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Heskey, Cole and Campbell are all coming off injury!... B-Ball, aint you all happy now... 3:16's knee is working right again! the nation celebrates!!!!! I'm gonna make my prediction for the Championship now.... SACRAMENTO! There... I said it, 3 years ago I wouldn't believe it though!

Anybody got an update on C-Murder? I dunno, I kinda want to kick his ass myself!

Peace

What up, heads? Hillis, good news. I did receive it. Bad news? I don't have new speakers yet so I'ma have to get headphones to plug into the back of my computer. Oh yeah, the Stockton thing was a joke. Ya'll know that Jordan is the Greatest of all time, and that Shaq is the most dominating presence right now. Sorry, but Rocky isn't the Greatest boxer of all time. Ali is period. Sure he has a 49-0 record, but the level of competition wasn't all that. Ali has fought off bigger, stronger opponents. Sonny Liston would have destroyed Marciano in 5 rounds. Ali would have in 3. Tyson (everyone he has fought was bigger than him) in 1 round. Here is my list as far as the Greatest Heavyweight boxers in order based on their PRIME and overall record:

1. Muhammad Ali (Lightweight skills in heavyweight body, ala' Roy Jones Jr.Even though he's Muslim, he's respected and loved by people of all different religions).

2 Joe Lewis (nobody hitted harder than him, except maybe Tyson and Foreman, and had the best title defenses and retired as champion.)

3. Evander Holyfield. (They don't call him the "Warrior for nothing, even during his first loss to Bowe he had a spirited comeback in the 10th. Nobody has a bigger heart).

4.Tyson. (O.K. The only reason he's below Holyfield on this one is because he owns two victories over Tyson. Yeah Tyson got headbutted on purpose during those two fights but should have NOT bitten Holyfield's ear. STILL THE HARDEST PUNCHER, THEN AND NOW.). Hand speed is still there. Raw unmatched power, even though 80's Tyson was more.

5. Rocky Marciano. (49-0 record, only undefeated boxer. Would have been broken if they didn't cheat Holmes out of that Spinks victory)

Those are the top five in order. Now the rest in no particular order: George Foreman (Ali beat him!), Jack Dempsey, Larry Holmes (Gave an agin' Ali a beatin), Joe "Fraz-uuh" (Gave Ali first loss, BUT Ali owns two losses over him) Lennox Lewis(Until he beats Tyson will forever be a "paper champ" to me.

Oh yeah, who's better. T-Mac or Kobe? I'll post my pick later. Peace.