Nice!
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 20 April 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
I asked my wife (a big Pixies fan) — she voted “Gouge Away.”
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Saturday, 20 April 2019 17:52 (five years ago) link
your wife has good taste (comedy timing pause) in music
― StanM, Saturday, 20 April 2019 19:01 (five years ago) link
Thank you! You all are great. Stay all day if you want to.
― pplains, Saturday, 20 April 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
I like "Gouge Away" a lot. I would probably pick "No. 13 Baby" myself, with "Monkey" and "Debaser" close.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 April 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
Gouge Away and No. 13 Baby are my favourites but honestly this album blew my mind when I was 14 and I pretty much love all of it. Apart from There Goes My Gun and La La Love You. I don't hate those just not v good. I can still remember walking around Worcester city centre listening to this on my walkman for the first time, RIP Midlands Educational
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 20 April 2019 23:22 (five years ago) link
Haha No. 13 Baby is my favorite, with I Bleed & Here Comes Your Man taking silver & bronze
― days of rags and noses (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 21 April 2019 02:33 (five years ago) link
At "indie discos" in the uk in the late 90s/early 00s, if you requested something off doolittle nine times out of ten they played debaser. So that's what I was dancing to at midnight on my 30th birthday.
― what if bod was one of us (ledge), Sunday, 21 April 2019 12:21 (five years ago) link
I think this might be more because I’m a Breeders fan but the idea that “Silver” is worse than those with 5 votes or fewer floors me. That darker back half album stretch from “No. 13 Baby” to “Gouge Away” desperately needs that eerie Deal track!
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 26 June 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
"Silver" is fantastic. I always catch myself singing it in the style of a modern country crossover song.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 26 June 2020 03:21 (three years ago) link
tbf "Dead" rules but so does "Silver"
I think the weak link on the album is "La La Love You" but I also like that song so 🤷♂️
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 26 June 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
lol @ going back through the thread after posting and seeing that I voted for "Dead", who's vmic now
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 26 June 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link
yeah I think the only songs I'm not that keen on are La La Love You and There Goes My Gun. and Here Comes Your Man to an extent tbh
― chipstick rebellion (Colonel Poo), Friday, 26 June 2020 14:41 (three years ago) link
Deal and Black Francis share writing credits on "Silver" and "Gigantic," so I've always wondered who did what. Re: "Gigantic" specifically, there's a quote from Francis on the wiki:
"A good chord progression, very Lou Reed influenced. I'd had the word 'gigantic' in my mind just because the chord progression seemed very big to me."
Aware that Kim Deal was seeking more creative input, Frank Black set her a challenge using a circular chord sequence he'd developed. "We started doing a bit of their loud quiet loud dynamic, where we would bring things down to bass and drums, the kind of thing you'd hear on a Sisters of Mercy song," he recalled to Uncut. "I wanted to do a song that didn't change chords, like Lou Reed's Sweet Jane. So I just said to Kim, let's do a song called 'Gigantic,' this is the bass riff, quiet in the verses loud in the choruses."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 June 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
Hey, Silver and Gouge Away is a trio for the ages
― Mule, Friday, 26 June 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
from RapGenius.net:
Black Francis told Esquire that “Silver” is, the only composition that I did with Kim on this session. I think we worked on it a couple of times the previous year or something. I don’t know what it means to her and I don’t know what it means to me. The lyrics are all very vague and vaguely folk-sounding. You can almost hear it’s like a faux-folk song. It’s definitely an abstraction. At least that’s my interpretation of it. It was all about creating a mood I think. This is a song me and Kim wrote really fast one night sitting around bored in the studio waiting for whatever to happen with the engineers. There were other lyrics that were supposed to have been written for the actual song but all we’d got left were the original phrases that we came up with so that was that. (Black Francis in the NME, April 1989)
the only composition that I did with Kim on this session. I think we worked on it a couple of times the previous year or something. I don’t know what it means to her and I don’t know what it means to me. The lyrics are all very vague and vaguely folk-sounding. You can almost hear it’s like a faux-folk song. It’s definitely an abstraction. At least that’s my interpretation of it. It was all about creating a mood I think.
This is a song me and Kim wrote really fast one night sitting around bored in the studio waiting for whatever to happen with the engineers. There were other lyrics that were supposed to have been written for the actual song but all we’d got left were the original phrases that we came up with so that was that.
(Black Francis in the NME, April 1989)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 26 June 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
So it's a full music and lyrics collaboration?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 June 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
That's surprising because "Silver" was also on the Pod Demos. I had always assumed (for some odd reason) that Charles's input regarded elements that were specific to the Doolittle version
― weekly shopper helper (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 27 June 2020 03:43 (three years ago) link
Kim wrote the lyrics to Gigantic and it was based on the play/movie, Crimes of the Heart. My memory is fuzzy on this, but a married white woman in the south has an affair with a young black man and in the song the narrator sees them meet up.
Fuck it, let me look it up:
Kim Deal’s ex-husband John Murphy sheds some light on this song’s origin in the 2004 oral history Fool the World:
"Charles came up with the riff, but he wasn’t really sure what the lyrics were going to be, so he goes, “Eh, well, Kim, why don’t you take a shot at it? The only thing I know is that I want to call it ‘Gigantic’,” and she says, “Fine.” So she comes home with it and she’s playing it on the guitar and I said, “Gigantic, okay, maybe it’s about a big mall.” She goes, “Okay, let’s try that for a while,” and I’m like, “The mall, the mall, let’s have a ball.” So I wrote that. It changed to “Hey, Paul”, because it had to rhyme. And then, a couple of days later she had fixated on this Sissy Spacek movie Crimes of the Heart about this farmworker, I think he’s a black guy, and Sissy Spacek and this farmworker get together – so that’s what it’s about. An illicit love affair."
So there are some things to unpack here. His "teeth are white as snow." I assume in contrast to his skin color. And the word "gigantic" in the context of the song?
― Cow_Art, Saturday, 27 June 2020 04:41 (three years ago) link
I tried reading the "Doolittle" 33 1/3 and ... couldn't. Boring subjects, writer not quite up to making something interesting out of them. Which is part of the band's appeal, in a weird way.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 June 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
Yeah, after I learned the setting for the song, I no longer loved it in the way I once did (which I really did, because there are almost no songs that include the name Paul).
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 27 June 2020 23:10 (three years ago) link
Palace Brothers - O Paul
― epistantophus, Saturday, 4 July 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link
Gigantic is cancelled
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 5 July 2020 01:03 (three years ago) link
xxp Big Thief - Paul
― Pat McGroin (morrisp), Sunday, 5 July 2020 01:08 (three years ago) link
a big big pud
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Sunday, 5 July 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link
uriah hit the crapperthe crapper
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:31 (two years ago) link