rank the songs on STICKY FINGERS

what does lumpen mean in reference to drumming

Yeah, I’m not saying the stones aren’t cynical, I’m saying their career arc is stranger than the official narrative suggests.
If only Dave Wekl or Vinnie Corlaiuta had been hanging around London in the early 60s eh?

what does lumpen mean in reference to drumming

― The Mod Who Banned Liberty Valance (WmC), Friday, April 19, 2019 9:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can't help but be reminded of the days when chuck eddy was a regular and he would dismiss bands by insisting that they "didn't even have a rhythm section" or "the drummer doesn't swing"

fellas did you know Keith Richards used an open G tuning and only played 5 strings? He’s out of time all over the place and that’s why they brought in Mick Taylor to cover up his terrible playing. They should have had Eric Clapton instead.

weird that a band that had no problem sidelining Ian Stewart for looks or sacking Brian Jones for turning into Brian Jones never managed to replace their legendarily incompetent drummer. boy howdy that Charlie Watts must really have some dirt on his singer.

Revisited this afternoon. Blasting this through good speakers is one of my life’s small pleasures.

Sister Morphine was wired in high school but def tired now that I am middle-aged.
You Got To Move still makes my skip-finger twitch, nothing will ever change that.

I really really love the horns in I Got the Blues.

Charlie’s drumming on Moonlight Mile is 🙌🏻

Sway
Moonlight Mile
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
Wild Horses
I Got The Blues
Dead Flowers
Brown Sugar
You Got To Move
Sister Morphine

bitch is one of the first stones album cuts i liked free of radio-conditioning, i used it in many a mix until i got to liking everything

oops i left bitch off my list ragh

redux

Sway
Moonlight Mile
Can’t You Hear Me Knocking
Wild Horses
Bitch
I Got The Blues
Dead Flowers
Brown Sugar
You Got To Move
Sister Morphine

bobby’s sax on bitch is so choice

yeah i think i must have been in a phase where i wanted to hear lots of songs with horn sections

i am no rs fan and i don't know the album very well. my fave rs albums have always been beggar's banquet and exile on main street.

don't get the love for sway at all. can someone explain? a boring ballad with some awful guitar wankery in the last minute. it drags on forever. and is not even 4 minutes long, quite a feat.

wild horses
can't you hear me knocking
sister morphine
bitch
i got the blues
brown sugar
you gotta move
sway
moonlight mile
dead flowers

with SWAY it's all in the Jagger performance for me, with the guitars placing second. love the mysteriousness of the lyrics and frankly "It's just that demon life has got you in its sway" is for me one of the best single lines of all-time, just as a very particular and strange assessment of tough times.

"sway" is groovy as hell

and yeah jagger is p phenomenal on it

THERE MUST BE WAYYYS to fiiind out

also weird to hear someone classify it as a ballad, it's basically the same tempo as most songs by the band

the singing on sway has a positive effect on my feelings -- esp the "one day i WOKE up to fiiiiiiiiiind/right in the BED next to miiiiiine" part for some reason?! the lyrics are totally banal but the way he sings them gives me an energy i enjoy. idk what else to say about that.

i am a fan of the sloppy guitar solo (here and in general) and the general pace/feel/dare i say "sway' of the song

i do not think of it as a ballad at all -- it's definitely more of a loose jam? idk that this type of song has a name, maybe i just don't know what the name is

yes it's the perfect song to be called SWAY, it has a particular doomy sway to it.

first Jagger plays electric rhythm too

first time, that is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekJTcELT2E4

"It's just that demon life has got you in its sway"

been listening to this record for 10+ years, never realized he was saying that. as a matter of fact i can barely understand anything being sung on "sway" and for me that is part of the appeal, just kind of a weird murky song where they keep saying "got me in its way" for some reason

anyway, re: charlie watts

all i want to say is i'll never forgive him for ruining the otherwise awesome ending of "can't you hear me knocking" by hitting that stupid wimpy crash symbol all by himself after everybody else in the band had stopped in unison.

i always heard it as" demon wine" and thought that was apt

is it "that demon-life" or "that demon, life"

― difficult listening hour, Monday, March 5, 2018 9:19 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(it's canonically the former i know but i adore the ambiguity as sung)

I used the Les Paul; Keith doesn't play on that track. Mick Jagger's playing rhythm guitar... (I played the slide part and the solo) at the same time. I put the slide on my little finger so it would still leave the other 3 fingers free to play like they would regularly, and I switched from one to the other. That was played in regular tuning.

- Mick Taylor, 1979

i always thought it was demon-life
demonic life

anyway, re: charlie watts

all i want to say is i'll never forgive him for ruining the otherwise awesome ending of "can't you hear me knocking" by hitting that stupid wimpy crash symbol all by himself after everybody else in the band had stopped in unison.

― budo jeru, Wednesday, April 24, 2019 6:37 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, I can overlook that. His "toddler whacking upside down pans with wooden spoons" approach to drum accents on 'Sway', however...

cymbal* ha

just doublechecked that "sway" has good drums, it does

It does! I stayed out of the discussion above but it never fails to surprise me how easily people will dismiss any particular drummer for “ineptitude” or “incompetence”. I have a hard time accepting that a person on a Rolling Stones recording is either of those things. Maybe not your fave but inept? Incompetent? Nah.

well you have to admit he's no mike portnoy

I saw some clip of wankers Portney and Paul Gilbert's Beatles cover band, and iirc it was shockingly faithful/tasteful!

i love Charlie’s drumming on Sway, naysayers are crazy imo

and Sway is def not a ballad, loose jam

Sway is everything l love about this period of the Stones, the loose swagger of the band & Jagger just SELLING the lyrics with this insane delivery that is like, idk, for me it’s like he’s howling at the moon. It’s so cathartic!! Swig straight out of the wine-bottle kinda music. It’s all mood & it’s the BEST.

otm

love Nicky Hopkins on Sway, too

Jagger just SELLING the lyrics with this insane delivery

otm-- had never connected my love of this song to my dylan superfandom before but i think they're related

LL's transcription--

"one day i WOKE up to fiiiiiiiiiind/right in the BED next to miiiiiine"

--also a clue

CIRCulaaaaar tiiiiiiiiiIIIIIME

I love that "Sway" has strings...by Paul Buckmaster!

ok then, it doesn't really matter if sway is a ballad or a jam or whatever but i am so much more impressed by the phantastic "can't you hear me knockin'" which definitely is a jam. that killer blues riff which gives me the zz top feel, the amazing saxophone solo, its' jazzy improv vibe, the cool santana guitar sound later on, almost 7 minutes without a second that bores me. it is the best of the early seventies coming together there, just wonderful. i don't really care so much about jagger's singing, somehow i don't hear his voice anymore as it is so ubiquitous as i have heard it so many times. anyone else who prefers knocking to sway?

i listed CYHMK above Sway on my list upthread. both are better than great.

anyone else who prefers knocking to sway?

Me, by miles!

VG otm Sway is the Stones doing what they do like no one else

though Moonlight Mile is beautiful and like almost nothing else they did

"Moonlight Mile" is Taylor's loveliest moment on a Stones single, and my favorite use of Buckmaster strings.

Sway is the Stones doing what they do like no one else

Incidentally, a friend gave me the Joel Selvin Altamont book for my birthday and I'm finally getting around to reading it. It had never even occurred to me how removed the Stones were from the rock scene, particularly in America. By 1969 they hadn't played the U.S. in 3 years and were practically broke (the American tour was explicitly to refill their empty coffers), and they were desperate to sort of break back into America, which culminated in the Altamont disaster. Clearly the band came out the other side intact, but having this album start out the new decade didn't hurt. I wonder what might have been if they followed the '60s and Let It Bleed directly with Exile?

sway is a great song i am sorry you are having trouble with your hearing

There are people who don't like Sway? I'd argue that its #2 placement practically makes the album.

even if that was true it would not be a sufficient condition to make it a good song. though i think the whole exile on main street double album is where they are really doing their own thing.

― je est un autre, l'enfer c'est les autres (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, April 25, 2019

really no choice but to FP for this. you'll thank me when you sober up.

exile’s great and I love it with my whole heart, but it’s the succinctness of Sticky Fingers that appeals to me in my old age