Rodan/Rachels: Classic Or Dud/ Search & Destroy. (RIP Jason Noble - August 2012)

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yeah Tara Jane's solo recs. are wonderful to my ears

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

J0hn, what do you like about TJO? I guess I'm trying to figure out your musical tastes, since I know you're not one for Tortoise-style post-rock, but I see some post-rock elements in TJO's music.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

sterling, i've decided i'll take tori amos and smashing pumpkins over rodan, sure.

i'm with gygax. the best high school poetry = heavy vegetable and clikitat ikatowi. thought that might be hometown bias.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 29 May 2003 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

gygax, antioch arrow and heroin came after rodan.

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

or at least antioch arrow did.... heroin were more like contemporaries, which is what i said above....

j fail (cenotaph), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Do they sound like Rodan?

King Eddie, Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:23 (twenty-three years ago)

no you said precursors not contemporaries but it's okay.

FYI heroin formed at torrey pines hs in del mar, ca in 1989 during their junior year. they broke up in 93. Rodan released their first single later that year.

aaron and ron formed antioch arrow after the heroin breakup.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:25 (twenty-three years ago)

okay i imagined the precursors thing but anyways it's good i like saetia do you

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

gygax! did you go to torrey pines?

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm a lot less emo about hatin' the post-rock than I used to be; I'm just put off by 1) jam bands that don't wanna admit they're jam bands, i.e. the Tortoise, and 2) pretentions toward "serious" music without the chops to back it up. I know Rachel Grimes took a B.A. in music, but so did a lot of people; the music itself doesn't work as new classical for me: the themes develop sloppily, their recapitulations are hamfisted, et al. Tara Jane O'neill, on the other hand, really seems to have some interesting ideas about songs, the presence of the singer within the song, how rhythm works with lyric, etc. I just feel her groove more, is what I'm sayin'.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Does the voice make her more interesting?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:17 (twenty-three years ago)

vahid,
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in my previous life! che cafe and world beat center yo.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

also, i think tortoise is not as bad as most of the ILM h80rz say... well, up until TNT (the jam record) at least.

if you have tortoise beef, kindly take it here

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 May 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

tortoise beef

What, grapefruit beef wasn't enough?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

don't you have any floucing to do?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

or flouncing for that matter?

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 May 2003 00:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't think Tortoise are a 'jam' band.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 30 May 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

What exactly is a "jam band"?

Yvonne, Friday, 30 May 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Well that's what I'm wondering Yvonne - I take it to mean yr Deads or yr Phishs - ie improv rock noodling w/ knobs on - whereas on rec at least, Tortoise seem much more structured/anal. The one time I saw Tortoise live, they were less improvvy than I expected - you got yr marimba solos, but also lots of obv. composed passages/pieces that were anchored by a massive boomy/dubby bass sound and executed with ultratight/'tasty'/tasteful jazzbo elan (here's as gd as anywhere to say that Jeff Parker's recent solo alb is one of the best 'straight'ish jazz albs I've heard this year.) The more accurate/usual diss of Tortoise is that they're King Crimson w/out the vocals - but going by the singing on KC recs that's fine by me!

Plus McEntire is hands down one of the best drummers, any genre, I've ever seen, and god knows I've seen a few...

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 30 May 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
I listened to the new Rachel's album in the record shop today - I think it's called Systems/Layers... it sort of intrigued me, not quite enough to buy it although I might on a second listen. Has anyone else heard this?

H., Wednesday, 5 November 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm, yes, I'm listening to it right now. It's quite good. I would say more, but I think the Pitchfork review is actually fairly OTM.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 5 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

What's happening here with the Rach?

Love the sounds. Music for egon (the artist) slays.

Punkers should hear Rachels

Fer Ark, Saturday, 3 May 2008 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Rachel Grimes, of Rachel's, has a solo album out now, "Book Of Leaves (For Solo Piano)". You might (not) be surprised to hear that it's a solo piano album; 14 short pieces, largely reflective, melancholic and perfectly suited to autumnal times, with a couple of more rousing jazzy sections.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 10:36 (sixteen years ago)

holy crap i listened to rusty last night

cutty, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 10:53 (sixteen years ago)

i haven't listened to rusty for about 8 years. Downloading now.

Pedro Paramore (jim), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 11:00 (sixteen years ago)

I'm really liking it, it fits so well at this time of year; despite being recorded in summer times (in 2008) it definitely has an autumnal feel. It's very intimate, just beautifully recorded solo piano playing, with some field recordings of birds at a couple of points, but nothing too obtrusive. Music to make my heart ache.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 11:23 (sixteen years ago)

I just got a copy of Rusty too, it's dead good.

Neil S, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:31 (sixteen years ago)

Reading about following this solo album it turns out that Rachel's weren't named after Rachel Grimes, she wasn't even a founding member. I assumed it was, so you live and learn. Named after a car apparently instead.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 12:49 (sixteen years ago)

rusty is amazing. i also listened to hoover's "lurid traversal of route 7" last night

cutty, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:19 (sixteen years ago)

Rusty is brilliant. I like the Rachels and enjoyed the Rachel Grimes album.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:24 (sixteen years ago)

I've never heard Rodan. I was big into Rachel's, though I only caught them after the fact. I take it I should procure myself a copy of "Rusty" then?

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:27 (sixteen years ago)

damn right

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:30 (sixteen years ago)

It used to be damn hard to find but in the ebay era its easy i think. I found mine in the lateish 90s in Glasgow after years of looking.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:32 (sixteen years ago)

So it is OOP then? I'll give discogs & eBay a visit in that case.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:33 (sixteen years ago)

eMusic has it if you use that.

Neil S, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:42 (sixteen years ago)

I've never heard of a remaster but there's always cd's on ebay so I'm guessing it's not been OOP it was just hard to find in UK record shops.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:43 (sixteen years ago)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RODAN-RUSTY-CD-NEW_W0QQitemZ110441769609QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_CDs?hash=item19b6d7aa89

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:43 (sixteen years ago)

hmmm vinyl
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RODAN-Rusty-sealed-Vinyl-LP-Slint-Polvo_W0QQitemZ230367575533QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMusic_on_Vinyl?hash=item35a2fa3ded

I should get it on vinyl sometime but shipping vinyl with the current exchange rates is really expensive now.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:45 (sixteen years ago)

please note rodan sounds nothing like rachel's

it's angry and confrontational. BRUTAL!

cutty, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 19:46 (sixteen years ago)

Both excellent to me.

As for Rachel's being 'classical' for indies who didn't get classical - so fucking what? Music For Egon Schiele sounded better to these ears than wAGNER OR rOSSINI or any of that pud that i've wasted too much time trying to appreciate

I remember seeing Rodan at the time and dismissing them as an ersatz Slint.
Years later ,I actually listened to that Rusty album.Listen to 'The Everyday World Of Bodies' should be the soundtrack for the Exorcist. It is Good Morning Captain's evil twin

Fer Ark, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:07 (sixteen years ago)

It is Good Morning Captain's evil twin

awesome.

cutty, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:09 (sixteen years ago)

THE RAIN. HAD A SOUND.

cutty, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:10 (sixteen years ago)

Aye, I wouldn't be expecting Rachel's similarities at all. I've read a wee bit about Rodan, just never really heard them.

Thanks pfunk, that eBay CD link looks like a reasonable choice to me.

krakow, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 20:52 (sixteen years ago)

love rusty. usually bust it out every year or so.

original bgm, Tuesday, 20 October 2009 21:02 (sixteen years ago)

Shameful to admit this, but when a girl I had a major crush on played me Music For Egon Schiele in 1996 my mind was pretty much blown by the idea of current bands making this kind of music. Oh to be young again.

& other try hard shitfests (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 21:03 (sixteen years ago)

If a girl had played me Music for Egon Schiele in 1996, I would've had a crush on her. (Actually, I think I heard them for the first time in 1996 on a mixtape from a girl I had a crush on.) (And in 1997 one of the first conversations I ever had with a girl I would go on to date for two years was about Rachel's.) (And in early 1999 I developed an instant crush on a girl I met in Rome just because I saw a dubbed cassette in her dorm room with Rachel's on one side and Michael Nyman on the other.)

M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 21:23 (sixteen years ago)

I think all of these girls were also into, like, Nick Bantock books.

M. Grissom/DeShields (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 October 2009 21:27 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

RIP Jason Noble. Thanks to aerosmith for passing along word.

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/jasonnoble/journal

http://www.thelouisvillepaper.com/2012/07/04/jason-noble/

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 August 2012 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

Bummer. Thanks for the music. RIP.

Arvo Pärt Chimp (Neil S), Saturday, 4 August 2012 19:09 (thirteen years ago)

rip

call all destroyer, Saturday, 4 August 2012 19:52 (thirteen years ago)


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