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Do big band era hits count as pop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OhkhBwrK_w

the Ventures rule

The Shadows' hits dried up when they started singing.

this was more a test-the-waters than an actual cast-iron opinion, but I have seen far too many support bands that could really have done with, yknow, a singer

Tim Booth (lead singer of James) regularly cites Patti Smith as his biggest influence, and despite James not really having the same truck as Patti in the critical world I immensely prefer Tim both as a writer and singer

I think I feel the same away about almost anybody she is said to have influenced. Much respect but those records, eh

think not liking Patti Smith is more a "controversial opinion" than a controversial opinion these days

I unabashedly still love her first three albums, and plenty of what came later, which seems more controversial these days.

Oh don’t get me wrong I do love Patti Smith

Kraftwerk, Roxy Music and David Bowie are considered to be the holy trinity of influences on synthpop/new romantic etc. but personally I think Pink Floyd (Meddle to Animals) should also be in there.

Not saying no one was familiar with PF, but if you asked say Daniel Miller or Robert Rental who they were listening to, I think they'd claim their influences were Wendy Carlos, Tomita, Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Can and Faust on the instrumental side.

Daniel Miller was a fan of early rock'n'roll (hence the Silicon Teens), The Beach Boys and The Kinks. Also Can, and yes, Pink Floyd.

John Foxx? Pink Floyd fan - even covered 'Have a Cigar' ... Andy McCluskey also a Pink Floyd fan, confessing as much on OMD's forum a few years back. Alan Wilder of Depeche Mode chose Meddle as one of his favourite LP's in a Quietus article. Phil Oakey said Floyd were his "model of what a band should be" in a 2003 interview...

David Gilmour is on Duran Duran side project Arcadia's LP, and I'm fairly certain he didn't end up on there by accident.

no, he ended up there because money

Vince Clarke chose The Dark Side of the Moon as one of his favourite LP's for the Quietus, too.

I’m certain that the “Live at the Milk Bar toilets” aspect of “There’s More To Life Than This” is faked. It aurally makes no sense, there is clearly doubles vocals on the choruses, and you can hear identical crowd sounds repeating as if the background noise were on loop

*doubled, *was

I don't know that that is controversial.

but my entire experience is listening to it and reading the credits then listening closely 26 years ago, perhaps Bjork stans have been vigorously debating it on messageboards ever since?

(the overall effect is faked, but iirc I concluded that the lead vocal could well have been recorded in the toilets during the day, or faked in studio based on a fun experience Bjork had one night, and it was a fun tiny mystery easter egg on purpose)

it's a subtle commentary that there's more to life than figuring out if this track was recorded live

I always assumed she documented some conversations at the Milk Bar and then recorded her song in the studio using them as background

it's a nice track whatever it is

xp lollll

Yeah it is an aural curiosity... the background vocals and guitar sound very much like they were recorded live.

I'm certain that the "Björk makes good music" aspect of her career is faked

Vince Clarke chose The Dark Side of the Moon as one of his favourite LP's for the Quietus, too.

Back when he was in Depeche Mode, I remember him chosing "Animals" as one of this favourite albums - which was completely beyond the pale then. I don't think the original opinion that Pink Floyd were an influence on synthpop/new romantic musicians is that controversial an opinion given the ages of the people involved. Vince Clarke one of the younger ones though.

lil late here but of course the ventures rule!!!! hella goood band

my controversial opinion might be that brian eno's rock records aren't very good.

pink floyd were better without syd.

most jazz guitar is terrible.

my controversial opinion might be that brian eno's rock records aren't very good.

― ian, Sunday, April 28, 2019 7:27 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pink floyd were better without syd.

― ian, Sunday, April 28, 2019 7:31 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my controversial opinion might be that brian eno's rock records aren't very good.

― ian, Sunday, April 28, 2019 7:27 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agree with both of these controps

syd era is weak as hell

Not liking Syd era Floyd is hardly controversial, I think most Pink Floyd fans think that.

controversial among my dorky friends then

i wish i had more controversial opinions :(

I imagine your dorky friends are massively outnumbered by non-dorky Floyd fans.

yeah I don’t like Eno’s rock records either, especially when he sings. “In a hollow land” is desert island track for me though.

I like/love all Pink Floyd through The Wall.

kinda feel the same about jazz guitar, guys like Les Paul or Danny Gatton that throw in stuff from country etc. is cool... probably doesn’t count, though. fusion guitar absolutely rules.

Wait, what do you mean by jazz guitar if you're excluding all of that, then? Joe Pass/Wes Montgomery/Jim Hall?

most jazz guitar is terrible.

Lots of it is good, but those Pass/Hall imitators who play like they're afraid someone will hear them can all get fucked. And Kurt Rosenwinkel too, especially when he uses that pedal that makes his guitar sound like a fucking slide whistle.

elyc6 0nset is as good as anything on Confield

well yeah. It's probably the best track on elseq

freedom by wham! is better than freedom! '90 by george michael

Yeah, I completely agree! I mean, I like both, but I feel like 'Freedom' is a better song.

The Pennine Studios version of 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' is superior to the Strawberry Studios version.

my controversial opinion might be that brian eno's rock records aren't very good.

Thank you. His 'singing', ugh.

Oakenfold's Tranceport is a stellar dance mix, deserving of study.

while I admire the politics, I hate Bikini Kill's music, and will stan for many other riot grrl era bands much more stridently than I ever will for BK. BK's songwriting and vocals are shit, even considering the aesthetic of the era and genre.

i agree with this

not an opinion i am ever going to offer irl

90% of the music released on kompakt is boring as fuck

Electroclash was awesome and fun.

I mean, sure, a singles compilation across Bikini Kill-Le Tigre-Julie Ruin would be ideal.
New Radio is a top 10 American punk song for me though.