♫ Your NOMINATIONS for the best songs under 2 minutes poll ♫ (nominations close MARCH 1ST)

BTW Karl Malone, the Joanna Wang song tt nominated IS on Spotify, albeit in Chinese. It's here if you want to add it to the playlist: https://open.spotify.com/track/2BCfrUVifsAAUmfWfu1f85?si=XrCzfXAIT82XyZF09pnPuw

nominations are closed!

*wolf howling in the distance*

imago, thank you! I'll add it to the playlist.

IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND INFORMATION BURIED DEEP IN THE NOMINATIONS THREAD WHERE EVERYONE WILL DEFINITELY SEE IT

so, just to set the table for the upcoming voting/campaign thread:

1) i will aim to have all the nominations formatted, spotify playlisted, and google doc-ified by this Friday.

2) about how long do you all think the voting period should be? is 3 weeks long enough? i know there are a ton of songs (possibly literally a ton, if each song weighs a pound) to sift through. but i don't want to make the voting period so incredibly long that all momentum gets lost. i want to run this poll like a well-oiled machine on a tight ship that also allows frequent smoke breaks and pays everyone a living wage. wherever that sweet spot is, that's how long i'd like the voting period to last.

3) i want to get the points system ironed out so i can lay down the law in the opening post of the voting thread. this much i'm sure on: (up to) 50 vote ballots. ranked ballots are fine, unranked are fine. mixed/tier ballots are ok as long as the total points add up correctly.

does anyone have a points system for 50 ballot polls, or should i just make one up? (e.g., first place = 100 points, second place = 90, third = 82, fourth = 76...forty-ninth = 3, fiftieth = 2, etc)

4) side-ballot ideas?

there's the exactly 2 minute songs idea, but A) that's messy because of issues with what counts as a 2:00 song, and also, how many 2:00 songs are there? like...10? is that a fun thing to vote on? i could be persuaded.

top 5 songs under 30 seconds? i'm just riffing here

top 5 songs under 30 seconds?

I like this idea!

mixed/tier ballots are ok as long as the total points add up correctly

Once you've settled on your basic ranked ballot, I'd be happy to do the math and come up with two or three alternatives for anyone who wants to do a tiered ballot.

I've been away from this for a couple days. has there been a rule change so only a set number of songs per act are allowed? For example Wire, Minutemen etc. I hope not.

ah, that's a good question too - i meant to include that. A few people weighed in on that upthread. i think we settled on no limit on number of songs per act. personally i will think it is kind of lame to vote for 25 guided by voices songs, but if jay carney ilxors want to do that, they're free to do so. willing to hear arguments for or against it though, since the voting thread won't open for several more days.

you should be allowed to do it but be regarded as no good, just the worst, by your peers going forward

imago OTM, you can make a ballot of one artist but then you will be ILX-communicated.

I think I'm going to give myself a thoroughly reasonable two-songs-by-a-single-act limit on my ballot and encourage anyone who doesn't want to be in THE ILM DOGHOUSE to do similar

otm

the coint and plick analogy here is people who continued to vote for marvel puzzle quest year after year

"but imagine having to choose JUST TWO Minutemen songs!"

it's a challenge, I know. but I also know you can do it. if you really try.

i have to say, as a result of this poll my appreciation for guided by voices has increased quite a bit. the only GBV i ever owned was alien lanes, and i didn't really like it much as a teen. but now i really appreciate it - "as we go up, we go down" is kind of an amazing song, a top 10 for me for sure. i think part of it is that after listening to sooooo many short songs, the songs that are really tightly composed and "complete" just really stand out.

there are a few wire songs like that as well. "Another the Letter" is one. it has a full intro, a verse, an insane instrumental breakdown, a build-up to a finale - all in 1:08. it's fucking insane.

i should save my GBV praise for the campaign thread, but "I speak in monotone / Leave my fucking life alone" is a wonderful line

spoiler: Another The Letter will be my primary Wire choice, everyone vote for that one. here endeth my Wire campaigning

My vote is for a three track limit, but there should definitely be a limit, if not enforced then at least seriously encouraged

Why? We're all grown-ups here, no-one would vote for 50 GBV songs You're probably right.

FYI I'm gonna vote for as many Misfits songs as necessary

please continue the debate on limiting single-artist votes, but meanwhile that gives me an idea for a side poll:

Best Ever <2 Minute song artist

I love that side poll idea, also the under 30 seconds one. We need to honor the smallest masterpieces, cause I think the results will probably be dominated by songs that are 1:59

cool, cool. i'm try to make clear in the voting thread that you can (and should!) vote for sub-30 second songs in the main poll as well. but we'll also do a side poll where only <30 seconds are eligible.

i think my strategy for culling my ballot will be to pick a bunch of songs i like, remove artist duplicates, and then pick the 50 shortest tracks

I don't think there should be a limit imposed. My hope, though, is that voters (of necessity--there are so many great songs to choose from) self-impose a limit of two or three at most for one artist.

We need to honor the smallest masterpieces, cause I think the results will probably be dominated by songs that are 1:59

― we're far from the challops now (voodoo chili), Tuesday, February 26, 2019 12:33 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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I'm more optimistic! I think we're going to get a health number in the 1:20-1:40 range.

Cat Stevens - Was Dog A Doughnut? (1:17)

Foolishly I forgot the track is much longer than this and was going by an edit of it on a mix by M.A.N.D.Y. - disqualify!

On placing limits on artists: I agree that a ballot that is almost all tracks by, say, the Minutemen or They Might Be Giants would be a) boring, and b) not really in the spirit of these multi-artist song polls, but I'm all for leaving that all up to the individual voter, rather than disciplining people into putting together ballots they wouldn't have otherwise. I had already decided on a personal rule of no more than three songs per artist (which I mostly did to curb the number of GbV tracks I'd include because, again, that'd be boring).

On the voting/campaigning period: 3 weeks works for me.

wait nobody nominated “tea for the tillerman” ?

noooooooooo

Man the nomination closing date should of been in the OP or thread title.

sorry

Just checking to make sure we got...

White Stripes - Now Mary (1:47)

Jack White’s best ever song

Man the nomination closing date should of been in the OP or thread title

Q: how long will this nominations thread last?
A: um, how about March 1, does that sound ok?

dang now mary is so so good. oh well

hey everyone, sorry, i have been acting in a confusing way. i've been working really long hours during my last week of my current job, and preparing to start a new job the following week, getting on new insurance, all that shit. it's been stressful.

er long story short, yes, nominations can extend through March 1st. please don't nominate 1500 more songs. if i get a moment today i'll ask a mod to update the title

gotcha

*hugs mod*

Thank you. I was still debating which Heavy Vegetable and Thingy songs to choose

One great thing about this poll is that I discovered Thingy put out a long lost album 2018.

no problem, really, and it's dumb that i forgot i mentioned that in the OP. my bad. plus, as long as the new wave of nominations is less intense than the rate at which i can enter the existing ones, i will have time to catch up

also, the fact that everyone is enthusiastically nominating things is a good thing and i shouldn't complain

*texts my therapist to let her know how i'm improving self-talk*

I can push my nominations towards 20 then, woohoo

Rival Schools - High Acetate (1:53)

I liked the ordered 1-10, 11-25, 26-50 system that was proposed. Maybe it could be the default option ?
Under-30 seconds top 5 sounds good, even if I really have no clue what to put there.

Yay! Thanks for extending it. Not voting for Now Mary would be plain wrong.

I definitely like having bottom tier/s on ranked lists

I liked the idea upthread of small numbers but just tiers after say 20:

1. 1
2. 0.95
3. 0.9
4. 0.85
5. 0.81
6. 0.77
7. 0.73
8. 0.69
9. 0.65
10. 0.62
11. 0.59
12. 0.56
13. 0.53
14. 0.5
15. 0.47
16. 0.45
17. 0.43
18. 0.41
19. 0.39
20. 0.37

21-30. 0.35

31-40. 0.25

41-50. 0.2

I've been a little bit unprepared for listening to the Spotify playlist, as I've been doing it mostly passively; a lot of times I have a vague liking to a song and then it's already over and I have to listen to it again to make sure I actually liked it!

Juanita Rogers - I'm So Glad You Love Me (1:40)
Martin Chambers - A Swift One (approx 1:00)
Louis & Bebe Barron - Robby, the Cook, and 60 Gallons of Booze (0:56)
Doris Hays - Somersault Beat (1:48)
Boys Boys - Monkey Monkey (1:56)
Scrap Brain - Don't Talk To Me (1:07)
Don Higgins & Ted Determan - The Ultra Bath (1:39)
Guernica - Bremen (1:19)
Bongwater - I Need a New Tape (1:40)
Capsule - Open the Gate (1:27)
DODDODO - WhiteHouseDisco (1:52)
Halmens - 焼きソバ老人 (1:43)
Raymond Scott - Lightworks (approx 1:50)
Tierra Whack - Hungry Hippo (1:00)
Tierra Whack - Flea Market (1:00)
John S. Hall & Kramer - Garbage Party (1:39)
John S. Hall & Kramer - Francis Bacon (1:51)
Jun Togawa - ある晴れた日 (0:34)
Jonathan Richman & The Modern Lovers - The New Teller (1:39)

The Juanita Rogers also has a longer version, both versions are on Sun Ra's The Second Stop Is Jupiter LP. It looks like there might be a longer version of 'The New Teller' on some comp, the 1:39 version is a bonus on the Jonathan Richman & The Modern Lovers S/T album.

Wish I could have voted for Bongwater's "What If" (2:01).

Tom Gray - Tea Song (1:11)

mosquito - down 1:58
god is my co-pilot - handsome molly 1:14
god is my co-pilot - sun, wind 1:34
blanche blanche blanche - uncrazy 1:48
the mummies - that's mighty childish 1:57
the curtains - brunswick stew 1:43
gastr del sol - parenthetically 1:20
dawson - booger hall 1:34
dawson - biceps (do you wanna feel 'em) 1:45
jad fair - shoes 0:26

that's me out now - no way i'm wading through 153 tracks of fat day, much as i love em