New Scott Walker album: 'The Drift'

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Oh dear. Maybe i'll wait til i've heard what others say about the vinyl. If its no good then I guess cd it is. Can't afford to buy a thing til end of the month anyway.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Sunday, 14 May 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

WHAAAAAAATS UUUUUUUP DOOOOOOC WHAAAAAAATS UUUUUUUP DOOOOOOC WHAAAAAAATS UUUUUUUP DOOOOOOC

Christ. If ever I need to bump off an ageing relative with a dicky heart to inherit their filthy lucre, I know which track I'm going to play them.

It's very soundtracky, this album. Even that Donald Duck moment feels like it comes from a horror movie where a woman alone in a house of a dark evening is confronted by a cartoon mask in the window... There are a lot of other movie moments too. The sound of footsteps at the end of one of the tracks is very film noir. The menacing strings are less Ligeti and Xenakis, and more Psycho and Jaws. And the whole album with its opaque lyric fragments feels a bit like watching a foreign-language movie where you know something horrible is happening but you don't quite know what it is because you're not understanding the dialogue, just picking up on the tone.

A. Crowley, Monday, 15 May 2006 13:18 (twenty years ago)

>>Is the UK vinyl version defective? I've heard two copies now and both sounded awful (not refering to the music).

Mine too. First side in particular sounds bloody awful. I wasn't sure if it wasn't a bonfire crackling away in the background during "Clara".

Not that it really matters as I'm unlikely to play it again.

harvey.w (harvey.w), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 20:24 (twenty years ago)

My friend listened in the shop and said the first side was dicky as well. He bought the CD instead.

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 20:53 (twenty years ago)

my friend said the drift sounded like a ¨really fucked up¨ antony and the johnsons.ha.

lauren ruiz (sheep1300), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Tim Kinsella on The Drift for The Chicago Reader...
http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/musicreviews/060512/

Interesting that Kinsella reviewed this since he seems to have aspired to use lyrics and extra-narrative sonic elements in his Joan of Arc records that Walker has utilized in a manner that is much more dramatic and effectively visceral.
I did like observations about the un-fixed character points of view and the comparing of Walker's process to that of a monk.

theodore (herbert hebert), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 22:28 (twenty years ago)

i really like that review apart from this bit:

"It feels like The Drift is only a record by happenstance. It could just as well exist in any other medium—say, as a wall-size painting or a dense experimental film."

wtf?

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 23:14 (twenty years ago)

i've no idea what i think of this record. i don't like it as much as i want to, that's for sure. I love "Clara" (maybe the finest song of his career) but the rest, in spite of the broadness of the sonic canvas, seems too homogeneous. the "blocks" themselves seem like they could as easily pop up in one song as another.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 23:23 (twenty years ago)

actually, Julio's post upthread is by far the best review i've read of this record.

It does many things in a 'samey' manner... But he also undermines the samey-ness of even that through the role that some of these 'block of sounds'* play so he achieves another consistency of being all over the place

OTFM!

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 23:47 (twenty years ago)

i really like that review apart from this bit:
"It feels like The Drift is only a record by happenstance. It could just as well exist in any other medium?say, as a wall-size painting or a dense experimental film."

wtf?

I don't see what's so wtf about it all. The point seems a clearer distilliation of an aspect of the record that critics have been trying to get at w/r/t its "language" being somewhat unique from its own medium.

I think for a lot of listeners the atmosphere of tension and eccentricity brings to mind works of art in other mediums as a mental reference point for comparison as opposed to merely other records. That seems to be why others have brought up the horror film and modernism comparisons, in describing the shock-effect of some of the hyperbolically dramatic sound effects and the degree of abstraction in the partially-narrative lyrics, respectively.

theodore (herbert hebert), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 02:16 (twenty years ago)

yeah,i think i understood that but the quote and your interpretation of it seem completely different to my mind, sorry. comparions (from a listeners POV) to horror film or history books (and as The Wire interviewer picked up, Sebald is a good comparison) or paintings are completely different from saying that "The Drift" is only a record by happenstance. It could just as well exist in any other medium, which still doesn't make any sense to me, if anything it confirms the album-ness of this thing.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 09:50 (twenty years ago)

The general reaction to The Drift, critically and commercially, could be summed up as: "oh, it's only Scott off on one again" as opposed to the "genius masterpiece" notices which he might have been expecting.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 09:59 (twenty years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d0/Routemaster.JPG/180px-Routemaster.JPG
"It's only a bus by happenstance"

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 10:02 (twenty years ago)

The general reaction to The Drift, critically and commercially, could be summed up as: "oh, it's only Scott off on one again" as opposed to the "genius masterpiece" notices which he might have been expecting.

Perhaps he was, but by now (as you infer, Marcello), I think the expectations have changed — I know they have for me. In this instance, it would have been more out of left field if Scott produced a straight-ahead pop album.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Interesting that Kinsella reviewed this since he seems to have aspired to use lyrics and extra-narrative sonic elements in his Joan of Arc records that Walker has utilized in a manner that is much more dramatic and effectively visceral.

joa has also covered walker.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Great thread. I must buy this cd. I got Tilt in 95 based on a review somewhere, and it has never left my psyche. What a fascinating guy SW is. He inspires me - he never stops "growing" and "searching". Like Sonic Youth - the coolest older people on earth! :)

Darren Skuja, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 00:18 (twenty years ago)

I tried to listen to this album all the way through for the first time this weekend and I had to turn it off midway. I was surprised it wasn't doing more for me because the few tracks I'd heard originally led me to believe this was going to be a sure bet. I read a review in the Stranger today that used the word "monochromatic" and I think that's spot on. But I will likely try the album again.

As a Walker novice, though I find it irritating because I bet there's other stuff of his I'd like more than this and of course I haven't a clue where to start.

Twitchety Twitch Manic Toy System (Bimble...), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 03:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm excited to hear this! i just haven't had the money for new records. i'm gonna go trade some promos tomorrow and see if the store has it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 03:36 (twenty years ago)

New York Magazine piece on Scott and the album:

http://www.nymag.com/nymag/critics/pop/16844/

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 03:40 (twenty years ago)

New York Times review:


Scott Walker
"The Drift"
(4AD)

Scott Walker has a voice made for drama: a long-breathed baritone with a cultivated vibrato that sounds both virile and ghostly. It made him a pop star when he proclaimed a monumentally orchestrated despair in the 1966 Walker Brothers hit "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore." He moved from Los Angeles to London, where the Walker Brothers — not his brothers and not his last name, Engel — became pop idols for a few years. There he embarked on his own increasingly idiosyncratic songwriting career: from pop-rock to singing Jacques Brel to what can only, and incompletely, be called art songs.

"The Drift" is his first album since "Tilt" in 1995, and like "Tilt" it's remote from anything usually called rock or pop. The electric guitar and drumbeat disappear midway through the first song, "Cossacks Are," and rarely return. Most of the songs are slow, yet utterly devoid of the comfort of ballads. Dissonant orchestral strings appear and disappear, swelling or muttering or shivering high overhead. Lone instruments, like a fluegelhorn or a slide guitar, loom up out of silence. Electronic sounds lurk in dim recesses.

Amid them Mr. Walker croons grim, cryptic tidings: visions of death, mutilation, sorrow and destruction. "Jesse," which he has described as his song about 9/11, is also about Elvis Presley's stillborn twin; it starts with a barely recognizable hint of "Jailhouse Rock" and ends with Mr. Walker singing, completely unaccompanied, "I'm the only one left alive."

In "Hand Me Ups" he imagines how it feels to be crucified; the backup includes an Arabic-inflected voice, a giant bass saxophone called a tubax, a screaming woman and, when he sings, "Its audience is waiting," a lone rhythmic handclap. When he contemplates murder in "Jolson and Jones," he turns the word "curare" into something like a refrain.

If Mr. Walker has any rock counterpart, it would be the Trent Reznor who made Nine Inch Nails' "Fragile"; Mr. Walker wants his complex studio textures "played at high volume," say the liner notes. But his songs are equally close to the somber desolation of Schubert lieder like "Die Winterreise," and in their oblique way are informed as much by history and politics as by private reflections.

"The Drift" sets out only to follow its own obsessions; it's both lush and austere, utterly personal and often Delphic in its impenetrability. Mr. Walker clearly set out to please no one but himself, but his threnodies are as compelling as they are disquieting. JON PARELES

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 03:45 (twenty years ago)

I love "Die Winterreise".

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 03:46 (twenty years ago)

"As a Walker novice, though I find it irritating because I bet there's other stuff of his I'd like more than this and of course I haven't a clue where to start."

Start with Scott 2. "Jackie," "Plastic Palace People," "The Girls and the Dogs," etc.--while maybe somewhat AL Webber-ish compared to Climate of Hunter, Tilt, and The Drift--are great gateway songs

prince rupert, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 04:35 (twenty years ago)

Zut alors! The Uncut website has been updated with that slippered popinjay Troussé's review.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:06 (twenty years ago)

"Daffy Duck"?

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:11 (twenty years ago)

You were expecting, maybe, Marvin the Martian?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:13 (twenty years ago)

"You could easily picture this in the current top ten" bothers me, 'cos I think that's one of mine...

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:14 (twenty years ago)

"Daffy Duck"?

I have been thinking about this. I presumed it was Donald Duck but I couldn't square the link between Donald Duck (Walt Disney) and Bugs Bunny's "What's Up Doc" (Warner Bros.) ... Maybe it is Daffy

This part still puzzles me, I haven't yet read a convincing explanation and I am still intrigued by the similarity to Lucio Fulci's New York Ripper (making 'that sound' a signifier of terror) even though I doubt there is any link.

Peak Lupe., Tuesday, 23 May 2006 09:46 (twenty years ago)

the Tim Kinsella review says Daffy Duck too.

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:05 (twenty years ago)

From an interview:

"I was trying to get something matching up to the lyric at the end there, because you know he’s not saying what Donald Duck says, he’s saying what Bugs Bunny says, so you have a kind of combination of two creatures together. They're kind of morphing into each other. I guess that was what was running through my head."

http://tigersare.blogspot.com/2006/05/scott-walker-speaks.html

Doesn't really make it any clearer as to what The Escape is all about. I don't think it's anything to do with Donald Rumsfeld though, as someone posits upthread.

Revivalist (Revivalist), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 10:11 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Revivalist,

I guess that clears up the facts (if not the meaning)
Morphing two popular cartoon characters, regardless of their 'brand'.
The WB vs. Disney thing was reading a little too much into it.

Peak Lupe., Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Regarding vinyl quality, I just bought the 2LP over here in the U.S. and the quality on my copy is fine. It says it was manufactured in the U.K. but not sure if it's the same pressing as the one people have been complaining about above. With a recording using as much silence as Walker's you're going to hear some vinyl crackle and pop for sure, that's the nature of the medium. Maybe I got lucky and bought one that wasn't messed up, but if you like vinyl I'd take the risk. It sounds great, and being that Walker is such a stickler for analog recordings and no compression, no digital flatness, etc. this is probably how he meant it to be heard. And the packaging is really something. Cheers.

shemp, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

got the vinyl today too! love it. and the vinyl sounds fine. i had to clean it though. a little surface noise via u.k. dust. i think i like it even better than tilt. and i adore the donald duck moment! it's only really half as creepy as The New York Ripper. just fuckin' great. the whole thing.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)

i like to buy records in stores, so can i just take the time to give a shout-out once more to the ONE AND ONLY RECORD STORE on this island and how i just knew that they would have this on vinyl without really knowing! thanks guys! (also picked up the new espers and om albums on vinyl and they are both great too) i mean, if i wanted to get it somewhere else, i would have to pay 8o bucks to put the car on the ferry round-trip and drive to boston or providence or something. you know? or take the bus to boston. and who wants to do that?

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

Any one have a transcript of Scott Walker's interview on BBC Radio 4 Front Row programme ?? Missed that one.

tizolite, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Regarding the vinyl, it seems to be hit or miss if you get a good copy. I recently bought a promo copy of the record from the 4AD site and it plays fine, eventhough it's from the same presing. Apparently there is a possibility of a repress.

wireless, Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:23 (twenty years ago)

The trailer for Scott's docu 30th Century Man is now on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYWGQMqC74

Gerard (Gerard), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

although this is about Tilt, this review is for those still unaware of the beautiful, beautiful The War Against Silence proto-blog:

http://www.furia.com/page.cgi?type=twas&id=twas0022#entry1

Max Blazevic (kitaj), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Regarding vinyl quality, I just bought the 2LP over here in the U.S. and the quality on my copy is fine. It says it was manufactured in the U.K. but not sure if it's the same pressing as the one people have been complaining about above. With a recording using as much silence as Walker's you're going to hear some vinyl crackle and pop for sure, that's the nature of the medium. Maybe I got lucky and bought one that wasn't messed up, but if you like vinyl I'd take the risk. It sounds great, and being that Walker is such a stickler for analog recordings and no compression, no digital flatness, etc. this is probably how he meant it to be heard. And the packaging is really something. Cheers.

they are the same pressing as the vinyl is import only. this forum is the only place i've seen anyone complain, though obviously us copies have only been on sale for a day.

seems sort of strange to me that the 4ad site would be selling promos?!?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

and the promo has a different catalog number, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 20:24 (twenty years ago)

xpost - hey Bimble did you warm up to this yet?

My first impression on an initial listen (in full) I can only descibe as colossal, flattening disbelief and awe :-O

fandango (fandango), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

OMG I MUST GET THIS CD!!!

Hard to find around here. Not exactly "Walmart" material. Really enjoyed this thread. When I get it, I'll sit in the bathtub late at night with a glass of wine for the first listen on the boombox, then give general impressions here the next a.m.

Darren Skuja, Thursday, 25 May 2006 12:40 (twenty years ago)

test

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Thursday, 25 May 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Where did everybody go?

So, after a few listens, what are your reactions? Does the first half overshadow the second half? I saw that in a few reviews. Who will do a track by track summary? :)

Cheers

Darren Skuja (Darren Skuja), Saturday, 27 May 2006 05:03 (twenty years ago)

No way, the second half is better than the first half, in my opinion. I think there's more melody, or at least suggested melody, therein. Also, less purely spoken word vocals and more actual singing (not conventional singing of course) between 6-10... Not that i'm against the overall atonality of the album, cause it's an interesting experiment in itself...but there seems to be more payoff, more release in the second half. In a way, it's similar to tilt in that once you get past the lack of listenability of the first few tracks, the music becomes comparatively easier and catchier.

patrick urstad, Saturday, 27 May 2006 06:39 (twenty years ago)

tis shocking, bold , unique , amazing. i can't believe it actually exists. no one is making songs like this. not bad for a 63 year old former pop star. there is nothing else like it. i hope david bowie pays attention to this album. also, check out david sylvian's blemish album if you are interested in songs with unusual structures.

thomas, Saturday, 27 May 2006 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Sorry Fandango, but it just isn't working for me. I respect the fact that others like (or love) it, but it just doesn't hold my attention. It comes across as needlessly pretentious, like one of those arty European films that tries too hard to be weird just for weirdness' sake. You know, the school of thought that says the more you confound the audience, the more hip cred points you're bound to score. It would be more interesting if there were more musical accompaniment, too, instead of just his voice a lot of the time.

The daffy/donald duck part is just plain ridiculous - really the lowest point of the whole affair and the point at which my suspicions were confirmed that the emperor wears no clothes on this one.

Twitchety Twitch Manic Toy System (Bimble...), Sunday, 28 May 2006 04:41 (twenty years ago)

Its not weird for weirdnesses sake tho, I think that's pretty obvious. Weird for weirdnesses sake wouldn't be so, well thorough, coded, and inter-textual... it would be more sloppy -- and there's nothing sloppy about this record whatsoever. Whether you like it or not is another matter entirely, but really don't think its weird for the sake of being weird!

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 28 May 2006 11:59 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't listened to this again completely following my initial encounter (I have the horrible feeling it's going to fade the more comfortable I get with it, the more I work out the actual meanings instead of the what my own thoughts put together from all the loose signifiers).

I don't find it over-pretentious though, that's what stunned me on a first listen, how utterly coherent the whole sound frontier & the vocals/words became. Wierd for weirds sake (or at least the perception of it, however wrong that impression or first taste is) usually turns me right off I have to say. I can't stand most Xui Xui I've heard and am still fence-sitting on Animal Collective til I hear more that convinces me. I know where you're coming from with the confounding = cred points thing, but hmmm, it's worked for me so far more like a rock record than anything SO obtuse (I guess I'd concur with what Raw Patrick said upthread, it has accessibility IMO). I'd like to say I have very broad, adventurous tastes is music... but I think I'm actually a pretty conservative listener all told.

The Donald Duck part is terrifying (in context) though! Actually, when I did go back I stopped before track 9 because I just couldn't face it again so soon :-O

I'd agree there are spots where the achievements are thinner or become less satisfactory, and it takes some commitment to hear through as an album whole. But "Clara"! That track alone seems the most fully-formed single song embodiment of the aims of "The Drift"

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)

also, this is the first Scott Walker I've really heard outside of his pop hits.

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 28 May 2006 13:59 (twenty years ago)

I think "Cue" is possibly the best, maybe cos I like the mood he conjures which is a direct cross (for the most part) between previous gorgeous beatless excursions like "Sleepwalker's Woman" and the evil dissonance stuff..

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 28 May 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)


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