Ryan Adams

For some it has

I doubt he'll be convicted. But I do hope he will be blacklisted. Fuck this dude.

And most of them weren’t pursuing 14 year olds.

when I first heard him in 2000-2001, saw how he dressed, and how he comported himself in interviews, I thought there was now way this man who probably smelled like a jockstrap from which toadstools sprung would ever make interesting music and was probably a post-rock-boom asshole.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

honestly whenever i heard about or saw a photo of ryan adams my first thought was always, "that guy almost certainly smells bad." obviously that was the least of it.

i liked that whiskeytown record when i was in college but i tried listening to it a few years ago and tossed it in the garbage.

of course he could be stravinsky and his behavior would still be horrid as fuck, so i guess my opinion of his music is beside the point.

I'm just gonna come out and say it....I never liked the music of Ryan Adams

bold stance!

"if there's one thing the #metoo movement has reliably given us so far, it's jail time for the guilty"

How many of them were caught grooming a kid, though?

at least one other musician (jesse lacey of brand new) but most of the grooming had occurred ten-fifteen years before the news came out iirc, i don’t expect him to face jail time

I like "Firecracker" and that's about it. He will not be missed.

was he really putting out three albums this year

the times article made it seem like adams probably knew the girl was underage—and even joked about it— but the text messages leave enough room for plausible deniability. i doubt a prosecutor takes this up

xposts Ugh Jesse Lacey. I loved Brand New but couldn't stomach their music anymore after reading about what he did.

And I was disappointed that some ilxors actually nominated and voted for their album in last year's EOY.

By last year, I mean 2017.

As #metoo's go, Ryan Adams is probably the least surprising this side of TJ Miller.

Did he date Winona Ryder at some point, or am I confusing him with another shaggy-haired musician?

rip

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzX3UuvWsAAJuU9.jpg:small

Wasn't James Franco busted texting with an underage kid, too?

Anyway, I like one or two Ryan Adams things, so I guess ... 3% of his output? I always knew he was a scumbag, though.

xpost Hes always had a reputation as a giant douche. He comes across very badly in the "meet me in the bathroom" book where it says he introduced Albert Hammond Jr to heroin

Did he date Winona Ryder at some point, or am I confusing him with another shaggy-haired musician?

― yuh yuh (morrisp), 14 February 2019 15:40 (one minute ago)

You're thinking of Dave Pirner from Soul Asylum

lol neil 'i'm friends with bono' mccormick, what a dipshit

xp Ah, thx

i always wonder how we're gonna react when prince me too stuff comes out

the parsing of her age in the piece just illuminates how stupid age-of-consent arguments are. it's just weird that showing your 40 year-old dick to a 16 year-old is wrong but showing your 40 year-old dick to an 18 year-old is fine and dandy. they're both super gross!

I think it’s important to have a legal line though.

Not all sleazy behavior is criminal

I don't know anything about Ryan Adams, but I remember listening to Phoebe Bridgers on this podcast, where she told the PR-version of the Ryan Adams story (ie no bad behavior, just getting 'discovered' etc), and feeling that there were weird vibes around the edges of it. I just remember thinking that it was kind of a miracle that he wasn't trying to take advantage of the scenario as it was described. Oh well.
http://www.noeffectsshow.com/blog/2018/4/17/100-phoebe-bridgers

i always wonder how we're gonna react when prince me too stuff comes out

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), 14 February 2019 15:50 (seven minutes ago)

Do you know something we don't?

only thing one time my boss at a temp job was dancing at Glam Slam and a big bouncer came up to her and said Prince wants to meet you so she went up to his lair and he was reclined on a couch, she was wearing a cat suit (90s) and he said "is that a mystery suit?" and she was like "uh...i guess?"...then it became apparent that she wasn't going to strip and f him on the spot so they stood there for a sec and then they led her back to the club

a guy i used to work with was his main video guy in the 90s, i'm not saying he said that prince did anything heinous but overall he was very manipulative and cold to people, he's achieved a sort of sainthood in death...he did stiff this guy for hundreds of thousands then tried to sue him to death but i think prince had to settle

just saying given the times he lived and all it wouldn't shock me if there was a lot stuff that would not be okay by today's standards

Adams and Winona were supposedly involved in the early 2000s, although take that with a grain of salt because (A) Ryder was supposedly 'linked' w/lots of musicians then, and (B) since then almost all of that has been proven to have been blown out of proportion.

I think it's nearly completely useless to circle around the "I knew this guy was sleazy" or "this guy gave me a bad vibe" talk because it comes way too close to "I told you so" type of things or, in the absolute worse case, "these women knew what they were in for"

I'm probably soured by the twitter replies to this story where fans -- a lot of them women -- are saying things like "oh this isn't as bad as I expected it might be" and "he has mental health/substance abuse issues and people know that" as if the magical combination of being talented/popular and having issues means that we're supposed to accept that shitty things will happen.

the entire "well, you know what you signed up for" line of opinion takes for granted the fact that no, a lot of people (and especially not fourteen year olds (!)) have no clue what they're in for, and even when you have an inkling that bad things could happen. by the time you're far enough in to a personal interaction/relationship the curve of complete shittyness might have been gradual enough that your own life is stuck in that shit, or your fate seems entwined enough that you feel like you can't walk away. especially when the total shithead is standing there explaining that you're less valuable alone

this is all regarding Adams, I don't know or want to speculate about anyone else. it's just too much for one day

this is a bit of a tangent but when I read this story I had a vague memory, googled, and sure enough, he was apparently involved with lindsay lohan in the mid-2000s. the reason I bring this up is that she seems to have known, if not everyone, then a huge cross-swath of terrible peole in the movie and/or music industries. (there was that article about the canyons movie where the reporter mentions her pleading not to have to be around james deen, and everyone took it as a "lol she's acting out" kind of thing, then the story about him broke a few years later.)

btw my probably vv obvious read on Adams saying "tell me you're 18" was that he knew she wasn't, but he wanted her to say it so he could say she told him she was 18.

xp In her new MTV show about her beach resort in Mykonos, she mentions "safety" a few times as a reason for opening that resort, wonder if that has to do with ^^^

I would suspect he is relatively small fry in that, but who really knows

xpost Def. heard a story of an underage girl being groomed for Prince for when she turned 18.

I got into an argument with my wife about groupies. She thought it was a different situation, because the groupies aren't necessarily out for professional gain, but I thought the imbalance of power was still pretty rife for exploitation.

I was very good friends with Ryan during the short time that he lived in NYC, for about six months, and was in a punk-metal band that he had for a very short time in 1999-2000. I was friends with the woman that he wrote all the songs about on "heartbreaker" and so for a short time he rolled with the people I hung with in town at the time and I ended up spending a lot of time with him, playing music with him and other shit. This was the time that Whiskeytown had broken up and he may have been considered a has-been, too bratty, never sold that many records, fucked over some influential people, but he in my experience was somewhat humbled at the time.

the odd thing is that I strongly disliked Whiskeytown before meeting him, and his music from 2000 to now, including the shitty Taylor Swift album, makes my skin crawl. I cannot stand the New York song he's most famous for and everything I've heard him do since, on like WFUV or wherever, I am allergic to. Either this is a genuine reaction to him trying too hard to sound classic rock, or I am jealous of him, being that I have the same reaction to other guys that I have grown up with or have been friends with who have become very successful singer-songwriters who have made music that people all over the world care about, and I didn't.

And yet, he was a terrific friend to me; at one time, when I really needed a friend, he was emotionally generous to me. Apart from that, he was a super fun, charming guy who was voluble about music in ways that I appreciated, and also, admittedly, he was fun to do drugs and drink with. And as much as I didn't like his music, one time in a rehearsal room, he sat down at a piano and played a Richard Manuel sounding song that he wrote, and it was like he had an aura around him as he was performing this song with so much conviction and, yes, soul in front of three other guys. I had never been in a situation where I was around someone who had been touched like that. The music we did in the band wasn't like that, but they were good, mean punk-metal songs that were leagues better than songs by anyone I had played with at that time or would again. He had confidence in himself that was not charlatan-y.

But for talking to him briefly ten years ago, I have had no contact with since 2000. He evidently became sober in the mid 2000s, but various friends have told me that his success has emboldened his worst traits, which are quite abominable and you guys reading these words know all about them. The handcuffs incident that Carl Newman refers to was in my understanding was utterly repulsive, and it is true that he was an early adopter in terms of having disputes with and then harassing people online. There is no doubt that he has gotten away with shit because he has been lucky enough to sustain a very major label lifestyle/ support system that is unusual for someone of his commercial status for the past. He is spoiled rotten.

In the Me Too era, has there been a spouse, former or otherwise, that speaks up and says "Yeah fuck him" alongside other accusers? I think Mandy Moore is the first such spouse to have a role as such. And she's also more famous and more powerful than he is.

xp -- I'm sure there are dozens of stories like that about prince, but it's also just on record that he met several women he was involved with when they were under 18, like the whole anna fantastic thing

In the Me Too era, has there been a spouse, former or otherwise, that speaks up and says "Yeah fuck him" alongside other accusers?

― veronica moser, Thursday, February 14, 2019 11:54 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

joss whedon, rob porter, tons of others

“I feel like I've read this exact same story before about Chris Hardwick”

They are both celebrities with massive alcohol problems who engaged in this shit during times that coincided with dry periods which indicates to me that they probably didn’t really get sober in a very good way and/or this is the sort of behavior that fuels relapses. Not an excuse just an observation.

i have no doubt that he was cool and fun at times and capable of being a good friend.

i think i really turned on him after reading a long form strokes interview where he was described as a hanger-on who was always bringing heroin around.

and the way he dresses, that is enough to convict

ryan adams once asked me if i wanted to start a goth band with him and i told him to fuck off

— yung zeej feat. lil zoji (@ZOLAJESUS) February 14, 2019

Someone posted these recent Counting Crows lyrics on Twitter last night.
http://i67.tinypic.com/2u8v3ae.jpg

It's always the Ryan Adams types though never the Top people. Vaguely washed up spent forces from yesteryear. Same in Hollywood.. Spacey, Hoffman.. old decades-past-their-peak farts. It's never the Top 10 actors or massive rock stars or whoever. Like in England with the whole Yewtree stuff; always Fred The Weatherman and the bloke with the Wobbleboard, or Jim Davids0n never (INSERT BIG STAR HERE). It crosses my mind a lot to ask why that might be.

"too big to fail"

even w/something as extreme and blatant as the Weinstein crimes he had to be taken down by the biggest female stars currently working in Hollywood banding together with those whose careers he destroyed or inhibited. And it had to be a huge number.

les moonves was probably the most powerful person taken down by allegations

in the entertaiment industry, i mean

Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose

It's always the Ryan Adams types though never the Top people. Vaguely washed up spent forces from yesteryear. Same in Hollywood.. Spacey, Hoffman.. old decades-past-their-peak farts. It's never the Top 10 actors or massive rock stars or whoever. Like in England with the whole Yewtree stuff; always Fred The Weatherman and the bloke with the Wobbleboard, or Jim Davids0n never (INSERT BIG STAR HERE). It crosses my mind a lot to ask why that might be.

― piscesx, Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:29 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seems pretty obvious, more clout = more repercussions for someone speaking out, more people doing the math and deciding the risk is too strong