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xp Yeah I dunno I feel like I'm the only person in the world with that particular allergy. I like "Uptight" and that era of stuff

curious as to what else is on that list of "worst albums to be regarded as classics"

he peaked with Fulfillingness' First Finale tbh

xp i had exactly the same experience with agaetis byrjun, frogbs. i heard it on the radio played by a dj i considered good in 2001? and thought it was subtle transcendental music. when i bought the cd and listened to it, it turned into dust. all i heard was someone who tried to sing like a whale and failing surrounded by bombastic musical triteness.

Ennnh those are really the two that spring to mind! More often than not I'm on the other side of the fence, wondering why people have forgotten how great [album] is

Its youuuOOOOoooooooooo

I didn't like Agaetis, but I liked ( ) a lot and saw them on that tour, accompanied by a string quartet. It was awesome. But I haven't liked anything they've done since, and honestly I had kinda forgotten they still existed until reading this thread.

I am another Stevie Wonder skeptic. Talking Book and Innervisions are great, but Songs... is absolutely a slog.

I just called to say I love frogbs

And I mean it from the otm of my heart

i prefer "secret life of plants" myself

Stevie doesn't do much for me either honestly, and I'm a big fan of 60s/70s soul/rnb/whatever you wanna call it (eg Curtis Mayfield is one of the geniuses of music imo). Even Innervisions I can do without.

fgti otm

he peaked with Fulfillingness' First Finale tbh

It's definitely the most underrated of that famous run of albums.

just stopped to say that not loving Stevie Wonder's music from the beginning of his career up through Original Musiquarium I is sick and wrong

i just called to say.....you're sick and wrong

Nick Tosches is the worst of the first generation of rock critics (though Richard Meltzer gives him a serious run for it).

Meltzer had a better grasp of '60s rock than any of the other first generation mainstream dudes, even if his '60s era writing is whacked out. He talks down his more serious '70s era writing like his stuff for the Village Voice in the anthology, but at his best during that time, he was brilliant. (I'd include some of his earlier '70s Rolling Stone reviews in there, too.)

In the Sigur Ros vein, it was a bad day when I realised that Dead Can Dance are schlock of the highest order. Might have been when I saw Lisa Gerrard interviewed for Toward the Within or Mirror Pool or something.

Yeah sorry I’m sick and wrong. I admit I’ve only given the classic era albums (aside from Innervisions and Life, which I’ve tried so hard to love) a once through, and they’re fine, tho the singles I would happily do without, I just can’t really compare Stevie to other similar artists of that era who with lesser chops didn’t always feel like every song was a science project on Childbirth or Fission or Was Jesus Real? or Mental Health Is Important

Stevie Wonder won many science fairs in the 70s but made no albums I have any patience for

do you seriously not like 'As', flambo???

No, “As” gets a 0 from me. The song expresses nothing but proficiency, it (like so many other SW songs) ends at the 3:30 mark and continues on for another 3:30, there is no risk, there is no sense of suspension, there is no bouyancy, it’s a plane that refuses to take off. There is more drama in a recent burp than there is in this interminable declaration of devotion. Stevie in the 70s is to me what Prince in the 00s is to others, a brilliant musician coasting

O__o

i love the last 3 minutes of ‘As’, works well in disco sets too

Like I’m sitting here swooning over the prospect of a lost Marvin Gaye album and you’re talking at me about Stevie fucking Wonder

yeah cept we all like Marvin Gaye as well as Stevie lol

The first Sigur Ros album (Von) is pretty cool, actually. No strings, way darker, lots of distorted guitars and noise, long sections of silence, vocals are relatively buried

music wise there is hardly anything in the world that is worse than sigur ros. maybe german schlager.

(Not being facile btw, it was one of my most surprising and fun musical discoveries of the past six months)

My controversial opinion is that Sigur Ros are good and Agaetis Byrjun is their best LP.
However I haven't listened to them in 15 years and now am a bit scared to

Ok, Ny Batteri is still great

I have fond memories of Sigur Rós but no desire to revisit their music in the near future.

Oh, and fgti ruthlessly otm re: Stevie Wonder.

imo "cloying sentimentality" has been an implicit part of SW's artistry since he was making records, way more than 90% of his 60s/70s contemporaries; that he was able to keep the excesses largely at bay in the 70s is an achievement

I have fond memories of Sigur Rós but no desire to revisit their music in the near future.

There’s quite a lot of good German schlager, actually.

...and then there’s Jürgen Marcus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx22fGJ4PjI

(it was a (smallish) part of what I grew up with too, and rediscovering this has made my day, and then some. I love everything about that song and that performance)

i'm trying to be open-minded but when i watch that i mainly see something that lacks the subtlety and good taste of liberace. dude looks like he's going to break into a trololo at any second. you know, respect to anyone who likes that, but i will never understand why.

curious as to what else is on that list of "worst albums to be regarded as classics"

In an Aeroplane Over the Sea, surely. Cool indie folk album, but one of the absolute greatest albums of all time? Get out of here

seeing Nevermind rank really high on a bunch of all-timer lists is always odd to me. I mean its better than say "So Much For the Afterglow" by Everclear but by how much, exactly

agree on both counts

Nevermind appearing on all-time lists mostly bothers me mostly just because In Utero is a far superior album

disagree strongly on both of those counts

those are two of my favorites

Huh I rather like that NMH album and its appealingly poor mix decisions

Indie folk as Raw Power.

Aeroplane has a way of recapturing my admiration every time I think it can't be that good.

Calling it "the greatest album of all time" is not helpful, I agree.

that's part of it, i think. just a singular work that inexplicably resonated widely with the public

wrt In an Aeroplane it's funny that people always say oh it's overrated blah blah blah and listen I'm as big a douchebag as anyone Dusk at Cubist Castle rules blah blah blah why isn't Sparklehorse in the rock n roll hall of fame blah blah blah

but like it's gotta be SOMETHING right? like something that resonates with people in a way that other things don't?

I'm a fan of the album and it was there when i was a sad college kid that drank too much

the mixing is part of it.

there is no "greatest album of all time" because all great for different reasons

but like it's gotta be SOMETHING right? like something that resonates with people in a way that other things don't?

i think a lot of it is the lyrics. pretty opaque and hallucinatory for the most part but then it startles you with something really direct. "dad is dreaming of all the different ways to die"; "it's so sad to see the world agree that they'd rather see their faces filled with flies"'; "and in my dreams you're alive"

I feel like saying In An Aeroplane Over The Sea is a good album is a controversial music opinion these days (on this board at least). It's a good album, not just lyrically or whatever, it has a unique sound and feel that creates something really moving.

That being said, I don't know if I'd like it as much if I heard it for the first time now. That album came at the right time for me.

Really Blues Traveler wasn't that bad

one good moment is when he blurts "For instance" going into the harmonica solo on "All In The Groove"