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yes > rush but i'm not gonna get mad at someone for thinking the opposite

Rush was there for me when I needed them

xp Hand raised (Rush > Yes), and agreed. Arguments on those two veer into Comic Book Guy declarations. Got into an argument in college re: better drummer being Neil Peart over Alan White, one of those where even a 1/2 hr later, I was thinking "why were we arguing?". Such a mix of objective and subjective criteria, I'd rather keep it at the "they're both great" level and appreciate each's merits.

Keep meaning to find that wall scroll of Peart on a river raft with his Tama kit. Walla Walla had a instrument store with that hung in the window, and I coveted it.

Keep meaning to find that wall scroll of Peart on a river raft with his Tama kit. Walla Walla had a instrument store with that hung in the window, and I coveted it.

The drum shop where I took lessons as a kid had one of those! I, too, coveted it. Decades later, I was being interviewed on a friend's podcast, and he had that scroll hanging on his wall. I didn't ask, but he said, "No, you can't buy it." Apparently, everyone who remarked on it offered him $$$ for it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Neil-Peart-Rush-Tama-Drums-Banner/264021031819?hash=item3d78e13b8b:g:PBIAAOSwIN1bove4:rk:1:pf:0

So nice. Had no idea they were commanding near $800!

one of the best things about Glenn Danzig's vocals in the Misfits is that it's so easy to mishear the lyrics

When I finally got the Misfits box set with the lyrics included I was shocked to find that what I thought I had to be mishearing were, in fact, the actual lyrics

one of the first things a friend did when presented with access to the internet circa 1993 was to print off like a hundred pages of misfits lyrics that he grabbed from Usenet or Gopher just to finally answer all of his lingering questions

lol, "ripped up like shredded wheat" comes instantly to mind.

i still hear "who'd I do it for hey Neil Young"

I was definitely thinking about the shredded wheat line

I can see the actual lyrics but it will always be "hey Neil Young" for me too. Also "Tony Hawk's in my head"

they're all the same iirc

Pearl Jam rocks

one of the first things a friend did when presented with access to the internet circa 1993 was to print off like a hundred pages of misfits lyrics that he grabbed from Usenet or Gopher just to finally answer all of his lingering questions

I did this, but with R.E.M. Didn't really answer any questions though.

My pals and I were also downloading R.E.M. lyrix from Usenet circa '92/'93! Shout out

Incidentally, when I load this page, it hangs a few seconds at the top (as long threads tend to do) -- consequently, the phrase "Troye Sivan is a better guitarist than Jimmy Page" is now burned into my brain.

Dude, kids today don't know how good they have it. I used to go to record stores (lol) that had racks of sheet music books (pause for additional lol) to look up lyrics that I couldn't understand on records. Talking 1989, 90, 91, here.

Tower (lol) had glossy books of the official (!) sheet music for REM's Green and Out of Time albums. and I used to go in and just pretend-casually look at them. I tried to memorize as many of the lyrics and chord progressions as possible before I looked conspicuous. As soon as I could afford one, weeks later, I bought it and rushed home to pore over it in private, as if it were light erotica.

I couldn't read music then (and, honestly, still can't). But I still have them.

i grew up hating rush because of how beloved they were by libertarians (and because geddy lee had an annoying voice). i hated yes as well, for not being king crimson (and because jon anderson had an annoying voice), but to a lesser extent. i've basically gotten over both hatreds, but as undeniably great a record as _close to the edge_ is, and as great a rhythm section as chris squire and that guy from the plastic ono band are, jesus their ability to write just fell off a cliff after 1972. they after '72 they didn't write a song i could listen to again until 1980, and they had to bring in a ringer for that.

rush, on the other hand, actually matured. god they had such great songs in the '80s!

I ride with Yes from The Yes Album through Going for the One, and then there are a few half-decent songs here and there afterward. If you think of 90125 as an Art of Noise record with Jon Anderson on vocals it's mildly diverting.

80s Rush is definitely the best Rush.

The Yes Album through Going for the One

This is the period of Yes I care about as well, and its peaks tower over Rush's, or almost anyone's, imo. I have little interest in Yes outside this period, though, while there is classic material in every phase of Rush's four-decade career.

I like the early albums too

_Relayer_ is a goddamn noisy mess, which given my tastes in music _should_ be a point in its favor, but somehow isn't.

sorry for your hearing loss

how did you know i'm having an attack of tinnitus

^I am too (due to a non–music-related noise event)... it always goes away, but I always worry it won’t :/

I've been getting it lately tbf but it hasn't diminished my appreciation of the excellence of Relayer.

Relayer is fucking glorious. My favourite Yes album and I wish they'd done more like it.

Morton Feldman’s 2nd String Quartet is one of the greatest quartets ever written

The music on Bitches Brew is a letdown after the awesome cover art.

BB is my least favorite of the rock fusion albums

The Afrofuturist painting promises this mind-bending sci-fi funk excursion, and what we get is stoned jazzbos playing on top of each other.

Miles Davis was flailing a little, creatively, from 1969-71. The first half of Bitches Brew is pretty good, but the second half is superfluous. In A Silent Way is as much a Teo Macero album as a Miles Davis album. The live records take a long time to feel rewarding, and some of that is undoubtedly sunk costs. Even A Tribute To Jack Johnson is only about 1/2 great. But from 1972-75, he was on fire.

half of all jazz is superfluous haha

xxp Oof I kind of agree, except that "Pharaoh's Dance" is a masterpiece

BB is easily my least favorite electric Miles record, live or studio. It's like A Love Supreme in a way: it's transitional in that there's far more fully-realized work before and after it, but it feels like a necessary step; and it's overrated largely due to however many decades of "THIS IS THE DEFINITIVE yadda yadda."

I wouldn't say Miles was flailing, though: the 1969-70 live stuff with Shorter is uniformly ace (the 3/7/70 show is one of my favorite Miles recordings ever, absolutely relentless), and even when a lesser figure like Steve Grossman comes in, Chick Corea manages to compensate with a noisy approach he apparently abandoned immediately after leaving Miles.

The only time during that period when Miles sounds less than focused to me is the '71 stuff with Ndugu Chancler, who didn't have the drive or sense of orchestration that Jack DeJohnette and (especially) Al Foster had.

I love Dark Magus and Agharta though.

i don't care how the sausage got made In a Silent Way is one of the greatest album's ever released

The only time during that period when Miles sounds less than focused to me is the '71 stuff with Ndugu Chancler, who didn't have the drive or sense of orchestration that Jack DeJohnette and (especially) Al Foster had.

Ha, I find the Chancler live recordings fascinating and wish Sony would devote a volume of the Bootleg Series to just shows from that 1971 European tour. (I talked to Gary Bartz about it recently; unfortunately, the audio wasn't good enough to use it for a podcast.)

I agree with you ums

I have spoken before (and probably posted to this end) about how my lack of reverence for Laughing Stock is rooted in the fact that it took so, so long to record, whereas In A Silent Way was recorded in a day; that Laughing Stock's influence on bands like Radiohead et al. has been less about the textures of the album and more about the "let's spend endless days in the studio experimenting instead of practicing so we can do it quickly" approach to album making

This thread is less about being "controversial" and more about a bro-down over classically bro-y artists, albums, and sub-genres

dunno whether debating influential Miles Davis recordings is more classic sausage party than doing so re the merits of pink floyd albums

What would an unbroified controversial music opinion look like?

thinking bitches brew is miles' worst fusion-era record is practically like critical consensus at this point, not sure why it was posted here

Tori Amos>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kate Bush

xp

Can't argue with that (form and content both).

I applaud Shakey for his true controp. (and disagree violently obv)

I don't get Kate Bush at all. No emotional resonance whatsoever, just theatre.

haha I totally don't believe that was just trying to come up w an opinion that met pomenitul's criteria