Yeah but was he flimflammed or hornswoggled?
― nashwan, Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:25 (five years ago) link
If you add "even!" to the end of this it becomes a perfect Snagglepuss impression https://t.co/bYkQioBY8e— Al Kennedy (@housetoastonish) January 20, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:26 (five years ago) link
Billy getting in a videographer to document his new scam was extremely "is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy"― Number None, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:55 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol this was my (and everyone's I'm sure) exact thought watching this
he says something like "if there's one thing I've learned, it's that it pays to record everything" and I was like... what
― gray say nah to me (wins), Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:32 (five years ago) link
water guy kinda sounds like jeff goldblum
― gray say nah to me (wins), Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:40 (five years ago) link
uh, Ja is quoting Malcolm X there fwiw
― Number None, Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link
By any repurposed quotes necessary.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 January 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
WHAT'S MY MOTHERFUCKING NAME
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 January 2019 23:18 (five years ago) link
Halfway through the Hulu one and watched the Netflix one yesterday. But yeah, the hulu one has a more buzzfeed edit going. Netflix is much better as a cohesive piece. And the digital voice was LOLOL.
― Yerac, Sunday, 20 January 2019 23:34 (five years ago) link
I am enjoying how much everything in the last 2-3 years, despite being terrible, is really playing up how much we mindlessly were giving men money and accolades for empty fucking visions.
― Yerac, Sunday, 20 January 2019 23:36 (five years ago) link
Hulu doc is primo if you need to see a clip of a SNES controller and a clip of the WTC towers falling, to illustrate the concept of “Millennials.”
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Sunday, 20 January 2019 23:43 (five years ago) link
YT comment:
Even the documentary is douchey
― MaresNest, Sunday, 20 January 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link
the festival goers they interview are such pieces of shit, really makes it easy to lol at the whole thing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 January 2019 02:40 (five years ago) link
Men are really having a(n) (inverse) peak week.
― Yerac, Monday, 21 January 2019 02:42 (five years ago) link
Xpost Unrelated but lol @ yr dn, that shit has been appearing in my FB ad feed for two months
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 January 2019 02:42 (five years ago) link
lol I can't avoid the blues
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 January 2019 02:44 (five years ago) link
That “satirical blogger” dude Seth(?), whom I mentioned above, sure wears out his welcome across the two docs...
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Monday, 21 January 2019 02:54 (five years ago) link
He was such a bottom-feeder. I watched the netflix one first so could't figure out why this middle aged guy was so in the midst.
― Yerac, Monday, 21 January 2019 03:00 (five years ago) link
Netflix doc was just OK. Didn't care about the perpetrators, didn't care about the victims. Cared about the unpaid workers, but that's the oldest story in the world.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 January 2019 03:09 (five years ago) link
Watched the Netflix doco and thought it was okay. Ja Rule's desperate attempt to spin things ("that's not fraud, that is... uh... I would call that false advertising...") was well worth the time invested, however. (And er, the Evian story...)
― Marie Kondo Rock (King Boy Pato), Monday, 21 January 2019 09:32 (five years ago) link
I can't believe they all forgot the first rule of Event Management: listen to the Dutch guy who learned to fly with Microsoft Flight Simulator.
― Marie Kondo Rock (King Boy Pato), Monday, 21 January 2019 09:34 (five years ago) link
Main dude came across in the Hulu documentary interview like Seth McFarland crossed with a confused and hormonal 14-year-old talking breathlessly about World Of Warcraft, I'm left wondering why people are taken in so comprehensively by him, he sounds like a dummy.
― MaresNest, Monday, 21 January 2019 12:32 (five years ago) link
It's baffling, yeah. I cannot detect an iota of his alleged 'charisma'
Seems completely out of his depth at all times
― Number None, Monday, 21 January 2019 13:24 (five years ago) link
agreed that was the most odd thing, he seemed like, I dunno, some guy at a frat that guy in because of his dad and tries to hard to be cool
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 January 2019 13:49 (five years ago) link
i watched it over the weekend. he looked and acted significantly differently when he was being interviewed compared to the photos/anecdotes of him during the buildup to the fiascohe had clearly lost weight and cleaned up his hair (and got some new boots) and he spoke with the disingenuously contrite phoniness of someone who lives by the philosophy of "act first, apologize later" (which seems very much in character from what i could tell)
what a creep. i felt sorta bad for his girlfriend, she seemed nice but pretty clueless.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 21 January 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link
he also appeared to be drunk/drinking in pretty much every scene prior to the festival
― Number None, Monday, 21 January 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link
yeah if i had to guess i would guess he stopped drinking -- his skin/face looked much clearer/less ruddy & bloated + he had lost weight
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 21 January 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
Apocalypse Now:Hearts of Darkness doc :: Netflix:Hulu
― eva logorrhea (bendy), Monday, 21 January 2019 15:06 (five years ago) link
OTM xpost about the Hulu one being way too heavy handed on the stock clips and things like actually filming someone searching for 'luxury villas' on amazon. It's like Ben Stiller character in Reality Bites directed it.
― Yerac, Monday, 21 January 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
Lol at these last two posts
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 January 2019 15:11 (five years ago) link
quite fitting, then!
― maffew12, Monday, 21 January 2019 15:12 (five years ago) link
It's baffling, yeah. I cannot detect an iota of his alleged 'charisma' Seems completely out of his depth at all times
― nathom, Monday, 21 January 2019 16:19 (five years ago) link
The 'charisma' of grifters like this seems to amount to an ability to bullshit others into believing they can get hold of unlimited funding - which they then obtain through running Ponzi scemes etc, for a limited while anyway. Money talks and bullshit walks, as the sage Bobbi Fleckman put it, although it's probably the other way around in this case.
The psychologist towards the end of the Hulu doc made the good point that con artists just can't stop. It's compulsive behaviour. No doubt this dude will start all over again one way or another in a few years when he's out, and a lifetime of pyramid scemes and flagrant scams awaits. Until he gets caught out and hauled back into jail, of course.
― Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Monday, 21 January 2019 16:33 (five years ago) link
What else does he know how to do?
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 January 2019 16:53 (five years ago) link
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
The guy is obv a douche, pretty much all the interviewees talking about his magnetic pull are... also obv douches, which may explain why they were taken in idk
― gray say nah to me (wins), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
Yeah. Feel like ILX0rs don’t really intersect with his target audience. We might be taken in by other angles though, remember Lunagate.
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
I didn’t realise the Netflix doc was made by the ppl who made the promo btw, I was actually thinking it was pretty skilfully edited to make maximum fun of “fuck Jerry” lol. I haven’t seen the Hulu one but nothing presented here seemed any more self-serving than just about any of the testimony from anyone else. It was funny how some of them were trying to get the audience not just to see them as innocent dreamers but actually to feel aggrieved on their behalf that some internet posters made fun of them - as many people have commented passim the thing that makes this such a heartwarming tale is that everyone involved is the actual worst
― gray say nah to me (wins), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:24 (five years ago) link
― gray say nah to me (wins), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:27 (five years ago) link
I feel like the douche factor in every aspect of life would be drastically reduced if we just started banning cameras from places.
― Yerac, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:29 (five years ago) link
Some of the “influencers” and attendees were honestly like sketch characters
― gray say nah to me (wins), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
you don't have to have a silver tongue or some sort of physical charisma to *build* charisma and that's kind of lost across the coverage and documentaries because all of the alluring bits of the puzzle are either alluded to or shown as part of the grift
the whole vibe reminds me of people who see bottle service as cool. which, to an extent, it is -- you're really allocating space in part of a club for your group, and buying everyone drinks at the same time without having to keep ordering. if you're genuinely rich or a celebrity who would get bothered a lot, it's a useful service. if you're a normal schlub, it's an extravagance and people wonder why the fuck you're in there spending a zillion dollars when drinks are a lot cheaper in the normal part of the bar
so if you value the perception of affluence and like being catered to -- your own space, better service, jumping some perceived queue, then the guy who offers that to you could seem cool. and if he's friendly and welcoming, even if he's kind of schlubby himself, then maybe you roll with it
and that's basically Billy McFarland's entire grift! the fake social access card and the attached parties at the office, the whole vibe, it's all just bottle service. and since he had this crowd there, he was able to sell the idea he was genuine to investors. well, not very well
― mh, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
I kept thinking of the dickhead entrepreneur bro who hangs around with aziz ansari’s character in parks & rec
― gray say nah to me (wins), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:34 (five years ago) link
The Magnises townhouse was pretty LOL.
― Yerac, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link
the Hulu doc uses two clips of Entertainment 720
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link
I probably said it before, but selling an entire music festival as if it's the premium tier crap that's basically music festival bottle service (semi-private accommodations, access to an area to watch near the stage just for you) makes absolutely no sense unless you're insanely rich, because the elaborate stages and number of acts are paid off of the tens of thousands of average person tickets, not the tens or hundreds of boutique concert villa people
the reveal in the hulu doc (only one I've watched) that the festival itself was a loan-rolling grift for him to get his app business off the ground isn't surprising, although it's an extreme overreach on the part of a guy who never really pulled anything off. his entire m.o. was to keep grifting higher and larger, and I really think he never understood the numbers or business on where he was reaching
if you're rich enough to try to book Beyonce via an app, you don't need an app. you have people who reach out directly and book Beyonce
I guess if there are like, a few hundred Gaddafis left out there and they really like using their phones to buy shit he'd have a market
― mh, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:44 (five years ago) link
No doubt this dude will start all over again one way or another in a few years when he's out
Why wait that long?
https://youtube/vop_XdfFPts
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:45 (five years ago) link
in other news, Billy's eastern european model (ex?) girlfriend's instagram account is private but apparently adds nearly anyone
no huge lols in there unfortunately
― mh, Monday, 21 January 2019 17:46 (five years ago) link
mh OTM
only seen the netflix doc, but there's definitely a "you can't cheat an honest man" thing going on w/everyone that got sucked up into this
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:47 (five years ago) link
I'll try that again..
― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Monday, 21 January 2019 17:48 (five years ago) link
Oh fuck it.