fyre festival is going well

I dunno, I think both make a pretty clear case in terms of the central stuff; it's more of a question of the further players. The Netflix one, as I noted, makes Ja Rule much more of an active participant in it all via the choices of footage, and it's worth remembering that he and Margolin are still facing a class-action civil suit. The Hulu one makes a case that FJerry is trying to cover its tracks to a strong degree.

It's a great documentary, but the promoter had run a relatively smooth festival the year before at the same location. After Woodstock, every festival was besieged with "THIS SHOULD BE FREE, MAN, WHY ISN'T THIS FREE?!" The promoter may have been out of his depth to some degree, but he likely didn't realize how far the audience would go to force it to be a free festival.

The islanders set up the 1970 festival to fail by forcing to move to a location overlooked by a hill, providing free viewing for all that cared. Emcee Rikki Farr's rants are great in the doc (pissing off the bands by threatening that they won't play unless people pay).

The Isle of Wight was a favourite retirement destination of the British well-heeled, and a haven of the yachting set, and many of the traditional residents deplored the huge influx of "hippies" and "freaks". This led to the introduction of sections to the "Isle of Wight County Council Act 1971" designed to control any further large overnight gatherings. Renting a few acres of suitable farmland to hold a music festival had in earlier years been a simple commercial matter between the promoters and one of the local farmers, but by 1970 this had become subject to approval decisions from several local council committees who were heavily lobbied by residents' associations opposing the festival. As a result of this public scrutiny, the preferred ideal location for the third Festival was blocked, and the promoters in the end had no choice but to accept the only venue on offer by the authorities: East Afton Farm, Afton Down, a site that was in many ways deliberately selected to be unsuitable for their purpose. One unintended result of this choice of location was that, since it was overlooked by a large hill, a significant number of people were able to watch the proceedings for free.

if you don't need to hear anything about macfarlane's formative years or learn any more about magnises or hear the word 'millennial' 1000 times then you can skip the first 30 minutes of the hulu one. though you'll also miss the swimming pigs biting a supermodel on the bum.

Not to mention the detail about another pig biting McFarland himself in the balls, which is a great bit.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/6/69/The_simpsons_ralph_wiggum-1-.png

A bacon bit Billy's balls, and now Billy's ballsack's big!

Ultimately pigs biting naughty bits is the selling point for Hulu.

When that rip on Youtube inevitably goes down... it can be streamed without a Hulu membership (right here), but you are supposed to be in the States. I downloaded one of those dodgy free VPN plugins for my browser (those ones that let other users use your connection in the background), watched it, and deleted the plugin. Hulu was somehow able to detect I was up to something, but it's random somehow. I just tried a couple of different US connections and it worked.

Ja speaks!

I love how ppl watch a doc and think they have all the answers... 🤦🏾‍♂️

— Ja Rule (@Ruleyork) January 20, 2019

I had an amazing vision to create a festival like NO OTHER!!! I would NEVER SCAM or FRAUD anyone what sense does that make???

— Ja Rule (@Ruleyork) January 20, 2019

@Hulu PAID BILLY!!! That money should have went to the ppl in the Bahamas... @netflix PAID fuck Jerry who also did all the promo for the festival... 🤔 the docs clearly have Billy at fault but let’s blame the rapper lmao ok...

— Ja Rule (@Ruleyork) January 20, 2019

I have receipts!!!

— Ja Rule (@Ruleyork) January 20, 2019

please make a documentary, Ja. Please.

Ja Rules of Engagement

i believe both current documentaries highlight the fact that Ja is now running a talent booking app thing (like the original Fyre app concept) called "Iconn"

I guess "I con" would've been too on the nose?

The islanders set up the 1970 festival to fail by forcing to move to a location overlooked by a hill, providing free viewing for all that cared. Emcee Rikki Farr's rants are great in the doc (pissing off the bands by threatening that they won't play unless people pay).

Ja is further insistent

I too was hustled, scammed, bamboozled, hood winked, lead astray!!!

— Ja Rule (@Ruleyork) January 20, 2019

Yeah but was he flimflammed or hornswoggled?

If you add "even!" to the end of this it becomes a perfect Snagglepuss impression https://t.co/bYkQioBY8e

— Al Kennedy (@housetoastonish) January 20, 2019

Billy getting in a videographer to document his new scam was extremely "is you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy"
― Number None, Sunday, 20 January 2019 16:55 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol this was my (and everyone's I'm sure) exact thought watching this

he says something like "if there's one thing I've learned, it's that it pays to record everything" and I was like... what

water guy kinda sounds like jeff goldblum

uh, Ja is quoting Malcolm X there fwiw

By any repurposed quotes necessary.

WHAT'S MY MOTHERFUCKING NAME

Halfway through the Hulu one and watched the Netflix one yesterday. But yeah, the hulu one has a more buzzfeed edit going. Netflix is much better as a cohesive piece. And the digital voice was LOLOL.

I am enjoying how much everything in the last 2-3 years, despite being terrible, is really playing up how much we mindlessly were giving men money and accolades for empty fucking visions.

Hulu doc is primo if you need to see a clip of a SNES controller and a clip of the WTC towers falling, to illustrate the concept of “Millennials.”

YT comment:

Even the documentary is douchey

the festival goers they interview are such pieces of shit, really makes it easy to lol at the whole thing

Men are really having a(n) (inverse) peak week.

Xpost Unrelated but lol @ yr dn, that shit has been appearing in my FB ad feed for two months

lol I can't avoid the blues

That “satirical blogger” dude Seth(?), whom I mentioned above, sure wears out his welcome across the two docs...

He was such a bottom-feeder. I watched the netflix one first so could't figure out why this middle aged guy was so in the midst.

Netflix doc was just OK. Didn't care about the perpetrators, didn't care about the victims. Cared about the unpaid workers, but that's the oldest story in the world.

Watched the Netflix doco and thought it was okay. Ja Rule's desperate attempt to spin things ("that's not fraud, that is... uh... I would call that false advertising...") was well worth the time invested, however. (And er, the Evian story...)

I can't believe they all forgot the first rule of Event Management: listen to the Dutch guy who learned to fly with Microsoft Flight Simulator.

Main dude came across in the Hulu documentary interview like Seth McFarland crossed with a confused and hormonal 14-year-old talking breathlessly about World Of Warcraft, I'm left wondering why people are taken in so comprehensively by him, he sounds like a dummy.

It's baffling, yeah. I cannot detect an iota of his alleged 'charisma'

Seems completely out of his depth at all times

agreed that was the most odd thing, he seemed like, I dunno, some guy at a frat that guy in because of his dad and tries to hard to be cool

i watched it over the weekend.
he looked and acted significantly differently when he was being interviewed compared to the photos/anecdotes of him during the buildup to the fiasco
he had clearly lost weight and cleaned up his hair (and got some new boots) and he spoke with the disingenuously contrite phoniness of someone who lives by the philosophy of "act first, apologize later" (which seems very much in character from what i could tell)

what a creep. i felt sorta bad for his girlfriend, she seemed nice but pretty clueless.

he also appeared to be drunk/drinking in pretty much every scene prior to the festival

yeah if i had to guess i would guess he stopped drinking -- his skin/face looked much clearer/less ruddy & bloated + he had lost weight

Apocalypse Now:Hearts of Darkness doc :: Netflix:Hulu

OTM xpost about the Hulu one being way too heavy handed on the stock clips and things like actually filming someone searching for 'luxury villas' on amazon. It's like Ben Stiller character in Reality Bites directed it.

Lol at these last two posts

quite fitting, then!

It's baffling, yeah. I cannot detect an iota of his alleged 'charisma'

Seems completely out of his depth at all times

The 'charisma' of grifters like this seems to amount to an ability to bullshit others into believing they can get hold of unlimited funding - which they then obtain through running Ponzi scemes etc, for a limited while anyway. Money talks and bullshit walks, as the sage Bobbi Fleckman put it, although it's probably the other way around in this case.

The psychologist towards the end of the Hulu doc made the good point that con artists just can't stop. It's compulsive behaviour. No doubt this dude will start all over again one way or another in a few years when he's out, and a lifetime of pyramid scemes and flagrant scams awaits. Until he gets caught out and hauled back into jail, of course.

What else does he know how to do?

water guy kinda sounds like jeff goldblum

The guy is obv a douche, pretty much all the interviewees talking about his magnetic pull are... also obv douches, which may explain why they were taken in idk

Yeah. Feel like ILX0rs don’t really intersect with his target audience. We might be taken in by other angles though, remember Lunagate.