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pls no kinkshaming

Lol

Same here, yet I get impatient when friends have the same problem distinguishing Ben Orr and Ric Ocasek; they sound so obv different.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:30 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Orr turns on a more Ocasek-y voice on occasion though! Like in "Shooting For You":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4878R8M4Ibw

sure, if you're a real head you can tell that's Orr, but imo it's within reason to hear the hiccupiness of the vocals and think it's Ocasek

pls no kinkshaming

― Effectively Big Jim with a beard. (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:12 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol. I'm mostly past the point in my life where I care enough about a band I don't particularly like to "hate" them, but I heard Apeman on the radio this morning and it made me deeply IA.

Controversial opinion...there is some crit acclaimed stoner music that's like a dude playing two chords really slowly for 14 minutes and that kind of stoner music is boring af

I fucking love funeral doom so I feel like a charlatan for agreeing yet here we are.

But then again death is more interesting than weed.

Controversial opinion...there is some crit acclaimed stoner music that's like a dude playing two chords really slowly for 14 minutes and that kind of stoner music is boring af

I have been to way too many shows with stuff like this, also it crosses over w/psych and noise scenes ... and it is indeed boring af

like a few years back when I had a bandmate, we were in our practice space, which had a kitchen, and my bandmate was hungry and found some chocolates in the fridge so he ate about 4 of them, but he didn't know they had weed in them, so our band practice ended up with him picking up his bass and basically playing that slow two chords for fucking ever, and it was totally unproductive and boring and he apologized for accidentally getting high and making boring music, and we agreed that it was the second worst practice we'd had after the time he accidentally electrocuted himself with some DIY electronics thing he had rigged up.

Someone described a critically acclaimed stonerish band/record to me as "tepid Planet Drum cosplay."

I thought, yep, that pretty much nails it.

hahaha I just think of it as drone bros with different pedals and bigger amps

drone bros with different pedals and bigger amps

This needs to be a band name.

Yeah I am very much on board with thinking that stuff kinda sucks or is underwhelming at best. Similarly its close cousin — bands that sound like Shitty Black Sabbath.

Controversial opinion...there is some crit acclaimed stoner music that's like a dude playing two chords really slowly for 14 minutes and that kind of stoner music is boring af

I have been to way too many shows with stuff like this, also it crosses over w/psych and noise scenes ... and it is indeed boring af

― sarahell, Thursday, January 17, 2019 2:48 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You know what must really suck... being the bassist in some post-Spacemen 3 / Loop noise/psych band, where the guitarist gets to play with all his/her pedals and make all sorts of improv noise for most of those 14 min, drummer gets to generally experiment a little while keeping the beat- but the bassist? You better not deviate from that simple little riff you've been playing the entire time! Don't you dare!

I feel like there are different types of SBS (Shitty Black Sabbath) bands -- like there are the ones that mimic the slow dirgey stuff and then there are the ones that do veritable covers of Paranoid

xp Evan - being the drummer sucks too actually -- I've sat in on sets like that, also boring. But yeah, bassist always has to make the bigger sacrifice - tru

I would feel really guilty being the guitarist in that scenario; having all the fun, making them keep going and going until I decide I'm finally done screwing around...

Listened to The Wall adter the discussion and was startled by how well it connected: meticulous sonics, hysterical squawking, raging bitterness, and all.

xp. hey, the bassist gets to do little variations on that bass thing he's doing over and over every so often

I would think if you're baked, it's probably kinda fun to play the same bassline for 45 minutes. Like, you get into a trance or something. Also, for every hundred shitty bands who utilize this model, there's Les Rallizes Denudes.

But yeah, file most of this stuff under "music that's more fun to perform than to listen to"

"Peace and Love" is as good as any album the Pogues ever released.

good extra finger on the cover too

I'll rep for waiting for Herb

lol that was my first Pogues and I was mondo confused cos it sounded nothing like people told me they sounded like. didn't realize it wasn't one of the "classic" Pogues albs until later

(xxx's & p's) The connection btw. pot and slow/bassy music is overstated, at least in my experience (and, I guess, "controversial opinion"). That kind of thing never sounded particularly good to me when stoned. In fact, pot would bring treble to the foreground for me -- guitar lines, organ, etc. would crystallize and glow, and the rest of the music would fade a few notches into the background.

going upthread I love stoner and its offshoots, doom, funeral doom, etc, and a lot of droney stuff, but there's some of it where I want to tap the guy next to me and ask "this is a put on, right?"

I'll rep for waiting for Herb

― calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:33 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

+2. "Once Upon A Time" is a perfect pop tune, and "Tuesday Morning" is great too

The comment line is that Shane wrote all the good songs and the other guys were just okay and stepped in as needed, but Peace and Love & beyond showed they were great songwriters too.

I would feel really guilty being the guitarist in that scenario; having all the fun, making them keep going and going until I decide I'm finally done screwing around...

You can't be a guitarist, guitarists do not suffer from guilt.

proto-arcade fire nothing, he copped that from john lennon

Ha

James Blake albums are like a party that you don't want to go to but you go anyway and then you have a good time despite yourself but you still hate the fact that you're there

Agreed, except for the part about having a good time.

You can't be a guitarist, guitarists do not suffer from guilt.

― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Thursday, January 17, 2019 7:34 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am a guiltarist

JETHRO TULL > PINK FLOYD

Not that controversial but I felt like sharing anyways

A lot of 90s folk is better than a lot of 60s folk

A lot of 90s folk is better than a lot of 60s folk

― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin)

i am intrigued by your thesis and would be interested in examples (i haven't heard much 90s folk!)

Bonnie 'Prince' Billy, Elliott Smith, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Mountain Goats, Gorky's Zygotic Mynci, Sebadoh, maybe? If so, I'm not exactly convinced – and I like all of these guys.

I think what I have in mind is more like Julie Miller, Richard Shindell, Dar Williams, Mary Lou Lord, Richard Thompson (of that era), Emmylou Harris (of that era), James Keelaghan, John Wesley Harding, Nanci Griffith, Kate Rusby, Shawn Colvin, Lucinda Williams, Buddy Miller, Cheri Knight, Lucy Kaplansky, Cry Cry Cry, Jonatha Brooke / the Story, Greg Brown.

Some overlaps there between what I am loosely calling "90s folk" with what other, smarter people might classify as alt-country, neo-trad, or Americana.

I think the only artist on pomenitul's list that resonates with mine is Elliot Smith, mainly for the Mary Lou Lord connection.

When I can get to a laptop I will put together a few links to better demonstrate what I mean by "90s folk."

In the 90s, I'm more familiar with so-called indie folk, hence my list. 'Americana' and 'alt country' veer closer to what I hear in those artists you just named, but I agree that it's a debatable demarcation.

Also Robert Earl Keen, the Nields, I am sure I will think of more.

Further, to be totally inclusive you should also consider the 90s output of folk artists of prior decades who kept working. Paul Simon, Joni Mitchell, Joan Baez, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Bob Dylan, CSN+Y were all still making records at the time (for good or for ill).

Rhythm of the Saints is from 1990. Is that "90s folk" or "world music" or "folk-rock" or pop?

Not what I consider folk but fuck a genre label anyway.

Instinctively, I'd refute this, but would happily listen to a 90s playlist to test it out...

If at least a substantial chunk of your core work isn't trad songs then you're not folk imo

on reflection my opinion is more complicated than that but I'm not that into "folk" as a generic for singer-songwriters, even those predominantly using acoustic instruments, possibly sans accompanying band

my "folk" genre tags are all over the place, even beyond the "original/trad" split a whole bunch of it is international folk music.

i don't know. i'm not a purist, i guess.

Not what I consider folk but fuck a genre label anyway.

― Never Turn Your Back On Virginia Woolf (Tom D.), Saturday, January 19, 2019 3:44 AM (seven hours ago)

otm!

I'm all for personalized genre labels

Whatever makes finding things easier

i find it to be a delicate balance. on the one hand i don't want to have everything not from the anglosphere labelled "world", that's too vague to be terribly useful, but at the same time i have exactly one song tagged as "zhabdro gorgom" and i don't really ever think to myself "man i want to listen to some zhabdro gorgom today".

but there definitely should be some room for individual preference, "western swing" for instance is a useful genre name for me but probably wouldn't be for most people.