And maybe Palm although I actively loathe Palm and don't think they have any ideas worth discussing
― imago, Monday, 7 January 2019 13:44 (five years ago) link
i will never understand where you find the time to actively loathe as much music as you do
― errang (rushomancy), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:15 (five years ago) link
I thought you liked it on the other thread!
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:18 (five years ago) link
There is something cold and robotic and seemingly a little dumbed down yet bursting out all over the place with KNOWER that usually I would resist but here they seem to get the exact right mix to achieve cyborg vitality.
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:21 (five years ago) link
My impression is that Louis Cole's solo stuff has gotten much more popular than Knower, is that true?
He/they are obviously super talented (and he's a great drummer). But there's something about it bothers me, and it's very much present in the young music school kids I know who love it (and Vulfpeck, etc). Like, there's nothing wrong with having a sense of humor, but it's this combination of being super serious about chops and being able to play at a high level, with simultaneously needing to make it into a joke and maintain an ironic distance. Maybe it feels necessary to undercut the virtuosity, or maybe it has to do with how white kids are now dealing with their love of jazz and funk, idk.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:51 (five years ago) link
Good post. Can’t speak to your first remark about Louis’s popularity, but it seems possible.
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 15:56 (five years ago) link
i don't really feel that, them + stuff like badbadnotgood etc,are trying to be fun touring bands not respect worthy conservatory acts. for these nerdy chopsy types i don't really know if there are a lot of options for how to 'be cool' other than just trying to give ppl a novelty party while yr blasting through yr sick synth basslines
― (ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link
also louis has had some dece profile collabs under his name I.e. thundercat, and it's a little tricky telling someone 'I've been listening to this band, knower, you know like no-er, like someone who knows something?' etc.
― (ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:15 (five years ago) link
Idk, badbadnotgood started with silly videos and EDM jams, but now seem to be demonstrating taste and restraint at every opportunity?
Thundercat is definitely in the conversation though, as far as fusion shredding + self-deprecating lyrics.
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― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:17 (five years ago) link
maybe memes are just the point of entry I dunno. could see a more serious direction for cole. he already does some stuff with like snarky puppy
― (ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:20 (five years ago) link
him + Genevieve i mean, not to discount her cos she's great too. Cole just seems to be the driving musical force
― (ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
louis cole's solo album was crazy irritating to me, in the same way that thundercat's drunk was. i'd make more time for their stuff if they left out the dumb jokes (like thundercat in his pre-drunk work). that said, gonna check Knower out, if only cause all my musician friends keep begging me to.
― bros before HOOS (voodoo chili), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link
I hate Snarky Puppy, definitely not recommending them as an aesthetic alternative.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:42 (five years ago) link
Yeah another thumbs down for Snarky Puppy
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
wfbo
― (ADVANCE) (320k vbr) (--V2) (aps) (diVX) (2CD) OST - SB (2019) (esby), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
i definitely feel like louis cole is somebody who could easily go full-on les claypool, but he hasn't crossed the Wacky Event Horizon for me just yet.
― errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:32 (five years ago) link
I kinda like these guys but there's something a little too twee about them, almost a "hint of Pomplamoose" if you will
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:04 (five years ago) link
I wasn’t going to tell you, but I think they even did a collabo with the ‘Moose.
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
;_;
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:08 (five years ago) link
The Pomplamoose/Patreon dude has a YouTube-based funk band that sucks in all these good L.A. musicians.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:24 (five years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:35 (five years ago) link
back in the '90s in louisville i used to like this mmw-style jazz trio (i can't even remember their name right now, but they were good) who went on tour backing up days of the new
i'm not going to declare anybody dead to me for playing with skerik or pomplamoose or anybody, really, as long as they're not going on tour with fascists
― errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:35 (five years ago) link
I like that regular KNOWER bass player Sam Wilkes.
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:40 (five years ago) link
FWIW I almost like Vulfpeck, but there's something that always strikes me as a little bit necrophiliac about painstakingly recreating sounds from another era.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:41 (five years ago) link
at times they sound almost EXACTLY like Stuff
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:45 (five years ago) link
Vulfpeck is so fucking terrible, like some horrid anticeptic corny indie fuxx take on the Metersthey make my skin crawl
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 01:59 (five years ago) link
the way they always make those "we're taking the piss" faces, and it's like, sorry I spent a year in jazz school and I know you guys practice 7 hours a day. You don't practice 7 hours a day to take the piss.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:02 (five years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive)
haven't heard vulfpeck, but i like the stuff on colemine records, which seems to be pretty much about that. i'm not necrophiliac but i do sometimes wish i was dead, if that counts.
― errang (rushomancy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:09 (five years ago) link
yeah, it was a thought that formed watching Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings (who were still 100x better than Vulfpeck) -- not so much Sharon herself, who was incredibly when she was alive, as the backing band, who are great but creep me out a little.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 02:18 (five years ago) link
― Spirit of the Voice of the Beehive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 03:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah, as in Steve Gadd and Stuff
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 03:11 (five years ago) link
Do you mean like Cornell Dupree, that Stuff?
I enjoy Vulfpeck, even though there's a lot about their 'thing' that's definitely annoying, but at least they try to balance it out by featuring session legends (Sandra Crouch, James Gadson, Michael Bland, David T. Walker, etc), those Holy Trinities videos, etc.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:50 (five years ago) link
lol, yes, as in Gordon Edwards, Cornell Dupree, Richard Tee, Eric Gale, Chris Parker and Steve Gadd. I think Vulfpeck sound a ton like them on some songs.
They're very tight and good musicians and I kind of feel like they could be better if they could escape the schtick zone, but I guess it's working for them.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:53 (five years ago) link
They're so canny it hurts, from the early Spotify silent album to the 'live video for every song' thing leading up to only dropping the album once X number of vinyl pre-orders come in, etc.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:58 (five years ago) link
https://i0-wp-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/i0.wp.com/musicaficionado.blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Stuff.jpg?resize=600%2C481&ssl=1That Stuff
― And Then There’s Maudit (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 December 2020 13:06 (three years ago) link
Which I found here: https://musicaficionado.blog/2017/10/24/carla-bleys-band-1976-1984/
― And Then There’s Maudit (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 December 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
We don't have a Stuff thread as far as I know but I was just wondering how old Chris Parker was when he started with them, twelve? Also where he and Steve Gadd double drumming or switching off?
― (I'm Not Your) Steppin' Razor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 03:48 (two years ago) link
Saw thread for first time, was going to paste link to his archived set from NPR's Toast of the Nation New Year's Eve 2021--but he's the only leader who hasn't allowed Toast post---anyway, here's the playlist he did provide (maybe this [big band and trio] set is or will be available elsewhere):SET 5 OF 5Louis ColeCourtesy of the artistLouis Cole leads one of the most irreverent, fun, and brilliant jazz big bands on the scene today. But don't let the good times fool you, his arrangements are as intricate as they are funky. The multi-instrumentalist (drums, keys, and vocals) leads his 15-piece ensemble (all wearing skeleton costumes) in dance halls recorded in Los Angeles, Amsterdam, and Paris.
Set List:
"Things" (Performed by the Louis Cole Big Band)"Bank Account" (Performed by the Louis Cole Big Band)"Park Your Car On My Face" (Performed by the Louis Cole Trio)"Everytime" (Performed by the Louis Cole Trio)"Last Time You Went Away" (Performed by the Louis Cole Big Band)"My Buick" (Performed by the Louis Cole Big Band)"Thinking" (Performed by the Louis Cole Big Band)Musicians: Louis Cole Trio: Louis Cole, drums, keys, vocals; Chris Fishman, piano, keys; Nate Wood, drums, bass
All songs written, arranged, and mixed by Louis Cole.
― dow, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 04:13 (two years ago) link
Big Band? Seems that collaboration with the WDR Big Band 2y ago worked out well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4joyxzVmj6c
― meisenfek, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 19:35 (two years ago) link
I haven't properly checked out Knower yet, but Genevieve Artadi sings lead on Zach Phillips' "Know What" which according to Spotify was my most-played track of 2021. A gorgeous piece of smooth avant-jazz pop:https://soundcloud.com/constantine-zp/zach-phillips-know-what-with-genevieve-artadi
― J. Sam, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 20:20 (two years ago) link
I found a lot to love on this Genevieve Artadi album: https://genevieveartadi.bandcamp.com/album/dizzy-strange-summer
― Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:14 (two years ago) link
"I'm Tight" has gotten its hooks deep in me, though I definitely get why some folks find this kind of thing unbearablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrWB-u1vc
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:48 (one year ago) link
Like I usually can't stand semi-ironic white-guy funk, but this just fuckin' goes.
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Saturday, 17 September 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link
yeah I mean I am a confirmed hater of all Colliercore-adjacent music and Cole has only ever infuriated me before, but this is quite cool, it actually isn't as flashy as the previous stuff by him I've seen and that's probably why it passes the bearable threshold
― imago, Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:10 (one year ago) link
I’ve been a little bit obsessed with the song and video for a few weeks, but I have enjoyed some of Louis Cole’s music previously. I even made a radio-friendly edit to play on my show this month.
I always quite like it when the YouTube algorithm serves me this “live” version of Overtime from several years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnEmD17kYsE
― Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 18 September 2022 08:12 (one year ago) link
difference between cole and collier is that cole knows how to have fun
― ufo, Sunday, 18 September 2022 10:52 (one year ago) link
― errang (rushomancy)
thank you thread revive for reminding me that no matter how shitty i feel now things were so, so much worse Before
just such a desperately unhappy human being
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 18 September 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link
It's an interesting Louis Cole album where the ballads are the real stand-outs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SQ7Fi6SnO0
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 October 2022 17:44 (one year ago) link
It also feels weird to listen to his music without seeing it being played, and it feels weird that it feels weird
One track in and I'm hooked.
― Eric H., Friday, 14 October 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link
Oh damn, glad to see "Planet X" in the tracklist!
― Eric H., Friday, 14 October 2022 19:24 (one year ago) link
Given that he's most known as a drummer, I like how radically simple the drumming is on many of the tracks
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 October 2022 19:33 (one year ago) link
Man, "Bitches" goes hard
― Eric H., Friday, 14 October 2022 19:34 (one year ago) link
I fucking love this
"Outer Moat Behavior" is, more or less, Kerri Chandler at double-speed
― Eric H., Friday, 14 October 2022 21:15 (one year ago) link
clearly an insane talent but I find this stuff completely unlistenable
― Bongo Jongus, Friday, 14 October 2022 21:33 (one year ago) link
That describes Björk's last two albums to a T
― Eric H., Friday, 14 October 2022 23:41 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuhe1CpHRxY
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 1 May 2023 22:54 (one year ago) link
Bumping because this is a jam
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Monday, 8 May 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link
Finally got me to click so yeah.
― Cosmo’s Hacienda (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 8 May 2023 16:10 (one year ago) link
A friend offered to give me one of his tickets to see Louis Cole so I went last night.
It was not *exactly* my thing but there was plenty of ridiculous musicianship for the jazz nerd in me. He has an other drummer/bass player (Nate Wood) whose drumming I actually liked better than his. His keyboard player, Chris Fishman, was insanely good. There were moments when it felt a little too much like one of those drummer expo bands (like Keith Carlock with some rando hired guns and synth programming), and others where you could squint and think you were at a Spyro Gyra concert. They were never not showing off.
Genevieve was the opener and I didn’t like most of her set, frenetic and “weird” a way that felt forced. I liked her on the Cole songs she sang on though.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 9 March 2024 14:03 (two months ago) link
Nate Wood is a legend, he's so frighteningly good. Although I can't imagine listening to his Four music (one person/octopus band) apart from watching the video. Kinda similar to Louis Cole actually, but LC has some good songs that stands on their own.
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Saturday, 9 March 2024 16:22 (two months ago) link
Yeah he had a few songs in the set that were relatively catchy/memorable for songs I had never heard before. He did just enough to keep it interesting and keep it from devolving into full blown music school circle jerk. Plus there was a palpable energy and vibe to the band as a whole, locked in really well together.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 9 March 2024 16:38 (two months ago) link
Been checking out some of the recorded stuff, it’s pretty strong overall but the weak link is his singing voice - just sounds thin and strained.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 10 March 2024 20:14 (two months ago) link
Yeah
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 March 2024 20:33 (two months ago) link
Yeah, I don't love his voice
― Rich E. (Eric H.), Sunday, 10 March 2024 20:53 (two months ago) link
Feel like a thin, strained voice a much bigger problem than other kinds of unusual, unconventional, possibly unpleasant-sounding voices. See the recent Jonathan Richman discussion on controversial opinions.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 March 2024 21:29 (two months ago) link
Some of the songs could really be bangers with better vocals. I’d like to see him produce for other people or have more guest vocals.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 11 March 2024 00:30 (two months ago) link