Joy division would have agreed with the above critique of hannett, a common one, and they too are wrong about it
Here’s mine: talk talks producer should have thrown that damn harmonica out of the window on day one
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Friday, 4 January 2019 15:04 (five years ago) link
Ian Curtis: good lyrics, awful voiceBernard Sumner: awful lyrics, good voice
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 4 January 2019 15:19 (five years ago) link
I can get behind that. This happens to be why 'Ceremony' doubles as the best Joy Division and New Order song.
― pomenitul, Friday, 4 January 2019 15:22 (five years ago) link
That is one opinion I will never understand.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Friday, 4 January 2019 15:40 (five years ago) link
I'm glad both "versions" of the band exist - the dislocation & ice cold atmosphere of Unknown Pleasures is remarkable, and they were a great rock band. it's a good thing there's as much extant material as there is considering how briefly they existed.
― flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
I definitely prefer (early) New Order to (almost any) Joy Division, so I'm biased in my opinion re: Hannett's production. And part of it probably isn't Hannet's fault, but just the fact that I don't care for Curtis' voice much in general, and also I tend to hate most of the Joy Division "inspired" post-punk bands (i.e. Crispy Ambulance and dozens more, both '78-'82 and rampant in neo-post-punk) and the pallor JD's outsized reputation casts over post-punk generally, to where it's assumed to be a genre of mopey trench-coat darkness instead of an ethos of adventurousness and an explosion of highly varied creativity.
I guess if you're the sort (like me) who thinks "Love Will Tear Us Apart" is Joy Division's best song, when it's really an outlier, you're given to preferring New Order?
In theory, I like the production techniques Hannett brings to the table--in fact, I like his production on a lot of non-Joy Division music. But I guess I agree with JD themselves that the thin/"distant" production doesn't reinforce the isolation and turmoil of JD's songs, but actually just somehow sucks the blood out of them a bit and robs them of their emotional impact a little. Hence, my preference for the nicely but simply-produced BBC recordings...
― Soundslike, Friday, 4 January 2019 17:08 (five years ago) link
"Love Will Tear Us Apart" is Joy Division's best song
surely this is not controversial
― Οὖτις, Friday, 4 January 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah a controversial JD opinion would be "their vers of Louie Louie is the def vers"
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 4 January 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
"Love will tear us apart" is not even a top ten song in their catalogue. But it is indeed an outlier in their output. What I don't like about it besides the fact that it has been played to death is that it misses the roughness and power of the earlier stuff, I think it sounds like a song of a band which is falling apart in beauty. And that definitely is too kitschy for my likes.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 4 January 2019 22:37 (five years ago) link
Ok here's a a JD controp for you: disorder is the weakest track on UP. Gets better towards the end of the song, though.
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:24 (five years ago) link
Crispy Ambulance slander? If anyone says a bad word about Stockholm Monsters we're gonna have words
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 January 2019 07:33 (five years ago) link
i dunno if this is controversial but i prefer the alternate version of LWTUA, the one i think they used as a b-side -- it sounds a lot more like their other stuff and curtis is singing like he usually does, not doing the sinatra-esque croon. i actually heard that version first (it's the first track on the compilation album permanent, which was the first JD stuff i ever heard) and was really surprised when i realized it wasn't the famous one.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 5 January 2019 09:08 (five years ago) link
― chr1sb3singer
or "their vers of Sister Ray is the def vers"
― errang (rushomancy), Saturday, 5 January 2019 09:22 (five years ago) link
disorder is the weakest track on UP. Gets better towards the end of the song, though.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Saturday, 5 January 2019 12:50 (five years ago) link
I've sat out the discussion about Martin Hannett with amusement, but when I heard Les Bains Douches version of "Disorder" the Hannett skeptics make sense.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 January 2019 12:57 (five years ago) link
The version of “Love Will Tear Us Apart” on Permanent (which I don’t believe has been released anywhere else) is THE best version.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 6 January 2019 17:37 (five years ago) link
dx7 electric piano sound is good
― brimsteadthere's been a big resurgence in FM synthesis and digital synthesizers / modules (specializing in FM/PM, for the average enthusiast) over the last few years. The Elektron Digitone, Korg Volca FM, Yamaha Reface DX are more popular examples. i've got a small modular setup--it's primarily digital, and a few of the voices use FM / phase modulation synthesis for really bright / robust / cutting sounds. ALM Busy Circuits have a few modules that use old Yamaha integrated circuits, and they sound freakin' lovely. For example: http://busycircuits.com/alm015/
controversial opinion (?) - most every track on OPN Age of > the Lexapro ep
― braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 7 January 2019 00:06 (five years ago) link
Non controp at this point: the DX7 was and is an instrument. Like the krummhorn or hurdygurdy or oboe. Judge it as itself, not against the things it was alleged to be imitating, and all is well.
― There is water at the bottom of the ocean (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 7 January 2019 00:37 (five years ago) link
mountain goats is emo they might be giants
― mh, Monday, 7 January 2019 03:09 (five years ago) link
Ooh that’s a good one
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 7 January 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
The joy division opinions upthread are very weird to me.
― Trϵϵship, Monday, 7 January 2019 03:15 (five years ago) link
but mountain goats is less emo than they might be giants!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 7 January 2019 03:36 (five years ago) link
kraftwerk is corny and unenjoyable imo. there are a million other german bands/artists from the 70s that i'd rather listen to
― marcos, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 16:10 (five years ago) link
ok tour de france is cool but imo the 70s stuff for which they are very famous is not good
― marcos, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 16:13 (five years ago) link
I agree tbh, at their best they're the best tho
My bf, over my shoulder, "ooh look at you having an opinion. Getting the opinion machine all revved up"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 16:17 (five years ago) link
Die Meinung Maschine
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
kraftwerk is corny and unenjoyable imo
computer world is corny and enjoyable
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
yeah, I thought "corny" was their most charming attribute.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:04 (five years ago) link
otm!
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
they're also rather sweet
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:05 (five years ago) link
Computer World is my favouritest of their records tbh
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 18:41 (five years ago) link
same
― brimstead, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 19:49 (five years ago) link
Yep
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 20:52 (five years ago) link
I remember that I found Autobahn rather ridiculous when it came out. It sounded very much like a flash in the pan. And I would have never guessed that this rather slight piece of music would have been the future. These days besides the nostalgy I quite like the soothing and trance-inducing effect it has when I listen to it. But you are right the tune is the epitome of corny. I have still to listen to it when I drive on the Autobahn which used to bore me a lot but which I almost love now. But I even prefer French and American highways as they are even more monotonous as the speed differences between the cars are almost nil.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
I remember that I found Autobahn rather ridiculous when it came out. It sounded very much like a flash in the pan. And I would have never guessed that this rather slight piece of music would have been the future.
lol and this is exactly how i felt reading about this record as a pivotal moment in electronic music and then buying it, putting it on and hearing this dinky little tune stretched out to 23 minutes
― marcos, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
"Autobahn" is pretty much classic-era Kraftwerk's worst song/album, though. Radio-Activity and The Man-Machine and Trans-Europe Express are all much, much better.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
Kraftwerk were kinda shit and the influence of dub on electronic music gets overlooked cause of Eurocentricity
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:00 (five years ago) link
Radio-Activity is a fairly engaging listen as a whole, but the only pre-Computer World song that I have a need for in my life is "The Robots"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
Y'all need the Ralf + Florian album.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:09 (five years ago) link
Nah, fuck that hippie bullshit.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:10 (five years ago) link
This thread has taken a most unfortunate turn
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:10 (five years ago) link
hippie bullshit is....great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:12 (five years ago) link
this is the best hippie bullshit you'll ever hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToiLyjxABM0
― tylerw, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:16 (five years ago) link
It can be. I love Can. But that's not what I come to Kraftwerk for, and it's not where their talents lay.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:17 (five years ago) link
If it were hippie bullshit, I wouldn't have liked it.
― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link
Can, whom I like a lot, tend to be baggier.
Faust is the (often very good!) hippie bullsh*t
― i stan corrected (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:27 (five years ago) link
hippie bullshit is....greatIt can be. I love Can. But that's not what I come to Kraftwerk for, and it's not where their talents lay
It can be. I love Can. But that's not what I come to Kraftwerk for, and it's not where their talents lay
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:32 (five years ago) link
I like efficient German engineering Kraftwork too! They were just generally really great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:35 (five years ago) link
First one I heard was Computer World probably around 2004 and to me it was laughably dinky and slight
next year I'd purchased Minimum-Maximum and suddenly everything about the band made sense
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link