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Oh good that should save me some money! David, just tempo.

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Also OMG ROBERT FUCKING KELLY! That's it - I need more sugar.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

boo-hoo-tee

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"I Believe I Can Fly" was bad enough on its own to put me off a good 10-15 ballads at 16 or whatever I was, I wouldn't bring him up ("Ignition"! Good! NOT A BALLAD! GOOD!)

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

in so many ways r&b itself is balladry! ballads are the songs that pull everyone together -- the great unifiers in love, life, pain, etc. sure, the no-tempo ballad is like musical water (see: a majority of toni braxton's singles)(but not all of them!), but they can also be great SONGS just like in any other genre. the aversion to ballads among (GENERALIZATION ALERT!) white R&B/hip-hop listeners comes from being beholden to only the beat, and not considering the lyrics, tone, subject matter that those productions deliver. the bangers are where you lose yourself in a crowd, but the ballads are where you lose yourself in yourself...

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

oh and i think the mary j. remix of "hate it or love it" might be the greatest R&B ballad ever, as i blathered about on the blog today

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok yeah the thing is (see above. Do YOU like "I Believe" etc?) is that SO SO SO SO SO many of the charting rnb ballads're so fucking awful I/WE (THE WHITE LISTENERS) end up w/an unrelenting hate of the whole idea. A good ballad is, to me, prob a bit better than a good FAST number, but when a section of the ballad genre's so cluttered w/shit how can I hear the good stuff? There're LOADS of old rnb ballads I adore. The thing is I don't even notice them AS ballads, they're just songs, just a bit slower than normal. This whole modernish long boring notune warbling thing, all INSPIRATIONAL, fuck it. xpost I'll get someone to dload that for me (if I remember. Is it THAT good it''l give me the faith to listen out for good ballads once more?)

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

download each of the individual songs that i have mentioned and your faith will be restored

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Although that's kinda like dismissing all rock ballads because that "Everything I do" song is such a "modernish long boring notune warbling thing"

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, it is. See above. Luckily rock's/was an album genre!

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Luckily rock's/was an album genre!"

Um, OK?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It's lucky if you wanna get acclimatised to rock ballads after being inundated w/that Bryan Adams song

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost-

yeah the mary j version of "hate it or love it" came on the dancefloor at this hip hop club in Seattle while I was there with my newfound EMP pals and it was lush and pretty damn heart-tuggin' -- a great song . . .

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

This whole modernish long boring notune warbling thing, all INSPIRATIONAL, fuck it.

I really wish that people would actually have some clue as to what they were talking about before uccumbing to the impluse to say stupid, ignorant bullshit.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

trudat!

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

btw david, "it's like that" isn't the first single from mimi. the first single was "we belong together," which is a GREAT ballad.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

"we belong together" is the first thing she's done that really sounds like a mariah song to me in a long time. she actually sings (instead of breathes) on it.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"we belong together" is wonderful. really, blount, track down mimi. it's fantastic.

also, going along with what i wrote on the blog about mimi, "it's like that" isn't even a mariah song -- it's such a mary j track! (the weirdest thing on the disc is jermaine dupri's nelly impersonation on "got your number").

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for assuming I don't have years of experience of this stuff Dan, really, ta v much

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry for not being as into vocal technique as you, what a dope I must be

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Etc etc

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting digression.

the aversion to ballads among (GENERALIZATION ALERT!) white R&B/hip-hop listeners comes from being beholden to only the beat, and not considering the lyrics, tone, subject matter that those productions deliver. the bangers are where you lose yourself in a crowd, but the ballads are where you lose yourself in yourself...

I think this is a good explanation, Jams, but I also think it smacks of injunctions as to how to listen 'correctly' (your generalization point is noted, though!). I'll freely admit to preferring the beat straight up, but I would prefer this most of the time in just about ANYTHING, r'n'b or not. Reflective musical introspection from where I sit more often than not relies on music providing/enabling that mood rather than lyrics, tone etc. Not universally, sure, but consistently and much more often than not for me at least.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone who has had "years of experience" with this type of stuff wouldn't say something as asinine and incorrect as "This whole modernish long boring notune warbling thing, all INSPIRATIONAL" as if groups/artists like Otis Redding, Earth, Wind and Fire, Parliament, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, Minnie Ripperton, Donna Summer, Billie Holliday, etc etc etc didn't exist.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Read the thread

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I am shocked and amazed to learn that I was the first ever post on this thread.

Oh, and Mariah Carey is viscous, foul-smelling stain on the already soiled underwear of vomitous popular culture.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(And if the music doesn't provide/enable and leaves me bored then there ya go. Random example: I think D'Angelo's way around Them Slowies is great, Mr. Kelly clearly knows what he is doing, Beyonce's on the solo album made me tear my hair out in frustration. If that's the Obvious Rockist White Boy conclusion to be drawn in some people's minds, though, then just gimme the cyanide now since this world has finally gotten too annoying to live in. ;-) )

Um, rather xpostish.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

them slowies?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The slow songs of what are slow and balladlike.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I did read the thread. You're still wrong.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

btw david, "it's like that" isn't the first single from mimi. the first single was "we belong together," which is a GREAT ballad.
-- Jams Murphy (ystrickle...), April 21st, 2005.

I don't understand what you mean at all. "It's Like That" has been all over radio and TV for months and "We Belong Together" is just now starting to get airplay. the latter may have been a teaser single before the former was released but it's currently being treated as the follow-up.

also I love how Eric Roberts has continued his streak of weird video cameos from "Mr. Brightside" into both of the new Mariah vids. she leaves him at the alter in "We Belong Together"!

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Despite loving all that old shit you named? WOW. How can I get right?

― Schwip Schwap (schwip schwap), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

haha in tribute to saul bellow eric roberts will be performing as moses herzog on mtv the rest of the year

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

He's the new old Kevin Bacon!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not surprised that "It's Like That" isn't the "official" first single, but: it was the track being previewed on the official website a month or so ago, and it's getting a LOT of radio play, while I've yet to hear "We Belong Together" anywhere.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

That's what I get, tho, when I listen to DJs mixing live, where a ballad isn't going to get ANY play.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember reading that she basically switched the first single a bunch of times at first, "It's Like That" was the 3rd attempt and the one that ultimately took off and got a video and everything.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"we belong together" was released as a 12-inch single at least six weeks ago -- way before "it's like that."

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU'RE ALL WRONG - "vision of love" was mariah's first single.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh. I think I first heard "It's Like That" 6 weeks ago! (My timetable w/ singles, tho, is so out of whack, so "6 weeks" might be "3 weeks".) (& I assume that, if I did hear it, it was courtesy of a pre-release leak.)

Hi, Blount!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

gah, semantics. I don't know when "It's Like That" was out on 12" but it's been on the radio to some degree since at least January. in the public mind it's been the lead single, is all I was saying.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"A third song from Mariah Carey's upcoming album, The Emancipation of Mimi, has been leaked, only this one has the makings of a radio hit. "It's Like That," featuring Jermaine Dupri, is getting play on urban radio stations in New York, Chicago and Dallas so far, though there's no word yet from Carey's label if this song will eventually be released as a single. ..."

- MTV News, January 4th
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1495306/20050104/story.jhtml

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

say somethin' was the other leaked track.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd love to know when it ("Bacardi / party") first popped up, tho.

Bingoboys - "How to Dance" maybe??

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Debuted at #1. And sold 404k. Yeowza.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 21 April 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

yancey is totally otm about 'We Belong Together'. how amazing! I never expected it to be THAT good. I'm going to track down Mimi asap.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 4 July 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

it's the album of the year. easily.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

The needless gesticulation-synchronized melismata during her Live 8 performance made me pine for a flame-spewing meteorite to fall from the heavens, crushing her in a warble-silencing cataclysm.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

alex, i love you, but i thought she was great.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

She was much, much, much better on the VMAs than she was on the BET Awards.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

WBT instantly washes out the bad taste left by "It's Like That". Does my heart good to see Mariah on top again.

And yeah, she was fab at Live8 and the VMAs.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Monday, 11 July 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

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