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http://www.africanbeat.de/catalog/mp3_1/mudbountykiller.mp3

oh shit i found it!!

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

The Assassin one has children singing the chorus! I really like the lyrics although not really because they're socially conscious, they just flow really well:

All we really want is to be free
Opportunity, social mobility
We might not dress so formal
Nor speak so properly
But by the hook or by the crook
We've got to beat this poverty!

Will check out that Bounty Killa one when I get a chance.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:53 (twenty years ago) link

fassy, you could write well on this stuff and i'd actually like to see it if you weren't such a repellent human being. like it or not personality comes across on the printed page and until you get over whatever petty jealousies you feel toward me and certain other people here, internet "notoriety" is all you'll have. anyway, you are not good enough to make me look bad, mate, trust me, so just GIVE IT UP (i'm not gonna say don't try it, as much as i might want to). sarcastic cracks cracks about england's finest dancehall writers don't really bother me. i know people enjoy and get something out of my work and that's all that matters to me. i enjoy it, too, and you're not going to get in the way of either. i do my best and try to have some fun with it; if you have a problem with that, all i can say is fuck you. anyway, re ward 21/salt shaker etc, i wasn't saying that they are **like** the bug, you moron, rather that they are *GOOD** and if you like the (horribly self-consciously) "weird" sonix etc of k-mart, then you should go for something a bit more real, leave the indstrial-mosh crapola behind and listen to them instead.
re: if youre drawing another better line wrt dancehall dislocations then i guess it's a thought yeah - you knew fucking well that was what i was doing and so would anyone else reading it. it was blatantly apparent, so don't make it sound like your idea!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

anyway, if you want to argue with me i'll be on the klezmer thread - it's more interesting to me than this continual nonsense.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

...whuh! i wasnt even making cracks cracks, jeez. i liked the salt shaker idea, yes er it's not mine, i thought it was interesting, "go for something a bit more real" illustrated the conflictedness of (useful?/effective?/or acceptable?), mashup appropriation and yeah what the real in something bit more real might be. please don't get paranoid dave

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:24 (twenty years ago) link

i mean if u always intended it good, fair dos, but the recommendation works fine er, sonically (as you say tougher, electronic, bit stiffer than a regular jamaican riddim) by itself as well as socially

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

bottom line: i am not going to recommend anything here that's **like** the bug, because i think the bug is rubbish. i will offer better alternatives. i do think ward 21 and tok are a little more edgy production-wise than a lot of other dancehall artists because of how they screw with the rhythms etc but disgree with calling them experimental. considering as how the genre is always trying new things, it all falls into that nonsensical pigeonhole for me. and if you want top call a stop to this fassy, i'd be very happy. it'#s fucking annoying and doesn't do anything for anyone.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:36 (twenty years ago) link

i wouldnt say this was a useless thread, far from it

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:42 (twenty years ago) link

the fact that i have hated everything kevin martin hase ever been involved with doesn't help the bug. i find he rountinely strips everything *good* out of every style he approaches, resulting in a similar dumb racket that in no way reinvents the genres in question. the result is always either totally irrelevant to me or just plain unpleasant.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago) link

edgy/experimental aside you seem to give ward 21 more credit than others here, ie find their production more effective i assume, wanna do a list or something? i dont know if this is a taste thing or if i havent heard what you have

i dont deny that about the bug, but then he isn't putting kelis accapellas over it either is he

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

ha - i'm shite at remembering track names, always have been, pretty much have to have the record right in front of me when i write a review. happy to provide a list when i get home and can dig round. the quick answer is that i think the best thing is to listen to the ward 21 albums, to be honest, though. u know how we roll is their best. it's not even necessarily what they do with their rhythms, although the fact that they pay attention to what they do and are often not content to work over *exactly* the same rhythm as everyone else does seem to show a bit of willingness not to experiment per se, but to do something a little different to the rest. i don't think they're any more avant than any other good dancehall is, but they are certainly pretty quality conscious and bring the best out of the people they work with. they actually make good albums, which is a rarity in dancehall there's a great tension between the vocals of the crew. the hyperspeed maniacal chatter and kunley's molasses-thick, skunked-out baritone. because there's four of them often chatting different speeds over a rhythm, panning across the speakerfield you get a real sense of disorientation and a "wall of sound" feel from their stuff. these refined yet still challenging sonics are naturally more interesting to me than rasp, rasp, bosh, bosh headbang cod-euro-ragga. you also get to love ward 21 by listening to big chunks of them and them alone, that's why their albums work.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

havind said that, i like tok even more. the completely anarchic pop angle they have works better for me than anything else right now. i can't wait for their album.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:15 (twenty years ago) link

*nah we no beg friend nah we no beg friend*

― sorry, couldn't resist, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:22 (twenty years ago) link

re the kelis acapella thing, don't you think that's a bit more relevant than k-mart? at least it's music in conversation and whether you like it or not there's a bit of a conversation going on. with the bug, it's just totally redundant posturing and if you find rupture smug, i don't know what to make of martin's work: foolhardy, deluded, even arrogant, maybe?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago) link

well exactly, and it's rupture's side of that conversation i have qualms about. it is relevant so it does matter. it wasnt v useful of me to bring k-mart into it on reflection, there are similarities but i find the bug harmless really. he's like mike from spaced

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago) link

he's like mike from spaced

haha! i don't agree, but that's a great summation him all the same.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

and answering the question about realness etc, there is as you know a hella big crossover between hip-hop/r&b/dancehall in london, the major us cities and jamaica, too. i don't really see salt shaker as a mash-up at all when you bear in mind rhythms like snake, bollywood etc, plus the crossover w/ ele tok etc working w lil jon and so forth. it's real in the sense that it works in both scenes it draws from whereas the just bug wouldn't. imagine putting him on a proper bashment bill w/ renaissance or something, live. he'd get chsed off the stage, i should think. it bears no relevance to dancehall.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

i know that's not what he's necessarily trying to do and some people will say what does that matter (and i guess it doesn't in some ways), but it's a fact nonetheless.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link

yip i agree. doesnt affect yr point at all but out of curiousity the salt shaker 7s are bootlegs tho arent they? i only picked up the capleton but it's his same chat as on rain drops riddim, and on the same label. yellow and red volcanoes, prettiest 7s of 04

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link

yeah they're kinda nice - i only got the tanya stephens one which is a vocal i've not heard, but i sort of presumed so. was really only a matter of time.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

The Bug might not work on a Bashment line-up any more than Prefuse 73 would go down too well in front of a Fiddy crowd, but to deny that he has any relationship to dancehall is pushing it a bit, wouldn't you say?

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

not really... depends where your lines are drawn and mine are a bit before that. i'm no purist, but i don't think he has.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

Dave OTM re TOK and "anarchic pop" - great distillation there. BTW Dave I finally found Tanya's "Soft Inside" - great track! Up there with or even slightly better than the Chico version on that riddim (my favourite until now).

Maybe I'm just dense but you guys *are* talking about "saltshaker" as in the Ying Yang Twinz, right? Or something else?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 01:37 (twenty years ago) link

yeah it's a kind of boot. i'd not heard the tanya voicing of it (the only one i own) over any other rhythm, but had a feeling it might be, then mr fassy kindly clarified. sounds good all the same.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 08:23 (twenty years ago) link

o there u go, voom voom's german isn't it?

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:14 (twenty years ago) link

you wrong, fassy, but will probably come close to pissing yrself laughing when i tell you they're swedish!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

voom voom is way better than anything i've heard out of germany... i'll just see if i can dig up a website for them or something

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:26 (twenty years ago) link

yeah they're based in stockholm. http://www.topazrecords.com/

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...

Hi here is VolkanikMan from the interweb remix of Brandy's Turn it up :D !

Just wanted to say hello, coz I found that discussion here in Google ;)!

Bless

― VolkanikMan, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 07:54 (eighteen years ago) link

aww!

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

The new album is really, really fucking good, the tracks with FlowDan on especially. It's kind of the perfect environment for his vocals - nice to see his verse on Bounce make a reappearance here.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Just noticed this thread is for everything that isn't the Bug. Ah well.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:31 (fifteen years ago) link

london zoo is very good, but i have yet been able to handle it all in one sitting.

― mark e, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

it's dark and heavy but i don't think as forbidding or hard work as it's been made out to be. loving the flowdan and warrior queen tracks as expected but i think it's hard to beat tippa irie's performance on 'angry'

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

talking of warrior queen, check her cut on the heatwave's piano riddim, 'things change' <3

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

"prima fassy"

― am0n, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link

One of the all-time great usernames that.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link

'Skeng' comes up on my WMP list as 'Skene' which is sort of off-putting.

― NickB, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link

perhaps my problem is that Angry is just so good, the rest of the album falls off afterwards.
admitedly i do need to dedicate more time to this album

― mark e, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

The new record is good, but it's not aggressive enough for me; I prefer the Killing Sound singles comp, billed to Razor X Productions (Kevin Martin w/the Rootsman).

― unperson, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link

One of the all-time great usernames that.

^^^this

I need to hear this but for me, over time, The Bug seems to have turned into something that's best experienced live - I've always had a total blast whenever him and Warrior Queen have played out

― DJ Mencap, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link

so weird, the first time i saw them live was at a house party for NYE 04/05, i think i drunkenly told warrior queen how amazing she was for about half an hour

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 July 2008 16:06 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

what else should someone who likes king midas sound seek out of kevin martins? any of his 90s stuff? or any other ambient dub/reggae from other artists? KMS is really lovely.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

There's some similar-ish stuff on Pressure (the Roger Robinson, Paul St Hilaire tunes obv.) Obviously Rhythm & Sound. The Pulshar is really good IMO.

KMS on some influences:
http://kingmidassound.blogspot.com/2009/11/texture-tone-and-grain.html

― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

ta. would have thought massive attacks work with horace myself too but i guess thats obvious.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

We published an interview with King Midas Sound (Kevin Martin, Roger Robinson and Hitomi) today and he plays down the Massive Attack comparison saying they were probably listening to the same albums as the Wild Bunch used to listen to when they were recording. Full interview here.

I know this probably constitutes spam but we've got a micromix of the album done by Kode 9 as well, which I thought may be of interest to hyperdub fans.

― Doran, Saturday, 21 November 2009 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

hes prob right, but it doesnt stop them sounding a bit similar (in a v good way).

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:06 (fourteen years ago) link

"the difference between us and Tricky is that for one, Roger sings"

i think its more that hitomi has a presence like martina that create the tricky comparisons

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Saturday, 21 November 2009 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4031&Itemid=98

Nice.

― We call them "meat hemorrhoids" (Alex in SF), Thursday, 26 November 2009 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Anyone happen to have the King Midas Sound FACT mix archived...?

― Sensational Howard (admrl), Wednesday, 21 July 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link

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