Punk: Is it dead?

also because rock the casbah still gets modern radio play.

also because avril lavirgne doesn't want to be punk anymore

also because blink 182 are still around and the offspring really aren't.

also because punk was dead the moment the sex pistols album came out because "the real fans" didn't buy it and

also be... I can't do this anymore.

Jess is right.

hrrm...

i think punk as three chord jamz is deadish. and that had more in common with pop.

but punk as do-it-yourself, anything goes music is totally alive and well... it's just in different forms than the three chords style mentioned above.

gurgle,
m.

m.

They were chose by Malcolm McLaren for what they looked like.

Then, they weren't about the music, they were about the confrontation.

Why, though?

i'm with msp.

This guy says yes!

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/getback/144976/hot-topic-punks-in-a-fake-punk-world/

i've been reading "please kill me" lately and thinking that I can't really imagine this sort of thing happening again. obviously post-60's misery had a lot to do with it. and since I can't imagine anyone being as naive as they were in the 60's again, I don't see a reaction, a legitimate, real reaction, to culture like this happening one more time. but i'll probably be proven wrong.

when the next one comes, we won't even hear it approaching till its exploding around us. like a V2 rocket.

Now that lots of old fanzines are getting scanned in and posted to blogs, I wish I had the time to make a compendium of "punk is dead" essays from the last 30 years. The perfect topic for the last page of the fifth issue of your 'zine, one issue before you give up, and three months before you get listed in Factsheet Five. Last page of issue four is complaining about skinheads.

OTM. And I'm not dead. Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

i've been reading "please kill me" lately and thinking that I can't really imagine this sort of thing happening again. obviously post-60's misery had a lot to do with it. and since I can't imagine anyone being as naive as they were in the 60's again, I don't see a reaction, a legitimate, real reaction, to culture like this happening one more time. but i'll probably be proven wrong.

― akm, Monday, October 5, 2009 4:18 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in "enter naomi: sst and all that" by joe carducci he says something like "punk was really just the nihilistic phase of hippie" which i always kinda liked

That's a great line, but so much of the hippy stuff was pretty nihilistic even really early on - punk just came up after the hippies had kids and got all hair-shirted about their nihilism.

Stewart Home reckons that the hardcore remnants of the 60's underground were a key element in London punk: Lemmy, Mick Farren, CR@SS, Charlie Harper, Captain Sensible and of course Maclaren, Westwood and Rhodes.

"The perfect topic for the last page of the fifth issue of your 'zine, one issue before you give up, and three months before you get listed in Factsheet Five. Last page of issue four is complaining about skinheads."

This zine could be your life.

That's a great line, but so much of the hippy stuff was pretty nihilistic even really early on - punk just came up after the hippies had kids and got all hair-shirted about their nihilism.

― Brio, Tuesday, October 6, 2009 9:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm sort of selling the whole line of thinking short...it's way better in the book which is required reading about the idea of Punk, at least the L.A. branch IMO...

punks were too old to be hippie's kids though, punk is already formed while hippie is still going (as you point out)

But we didn't give up.

i didn't say that either. people found other more productive ways to change things. if change is what they were truly after. and sometimes this simply meant a spiritual change. not giving up really. maybe giving in a little sometimes.

Brit far-left dig in their heels more, for sure. It's reflexive, may be less considered, but a lot more joyous than the American far-left. At least in my limited experience.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2018/10/10/how-punk-rock-can-revitalize-human-resources

if it wasn't before, it is now

Dis-rupt!

Dressed in multicolored pants, combat boots and spiked leather bracelets, SAP’s Chief Human Resources Officer, Stefan Ries proudly strut onto the stage of the MGM Park Theater in Las Vegas to the strains of “Bring Me to Life” by Evanesence.

Ries was here to pump up of thousands of HR professional in attendance for the annual SAP SuccessConnect event, but a more important mission statement soon emerged, emblazoned across his black tee shirt: “HR Punks.”

“The heart of the human revolution is us,” said Ries. “The old days of HR are over. Today onward we need to revolutionize and the best people who can do this are HR punks.”

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5bbde1134bbe6f7684a6744d/960x0.jpg?fit=scale

imagine how excruciatingly embarrassing it would be to be one of this guy's children

oh god i'm so depressed

have you considered cheering yourself up by strapping on some spiked leather bracelets and strutting proudly to the strains of 'bring me to life' by evanesence?

imagine getting fired by some cunt in a clown costume

punke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W8h4W6IBGc

imagine getting fired by some cunt in a clown costume

"Glad to see you go go go go goodbye/ Glad to see you go go go go goodbye"

Struggling to think of a single figure from the punk era who wouldn't have been an HR nightmare. Strummer maybe.

broke: punk
woke: steampunk
bespoke: hrpunk

(xp) Glen Matlock obv.

skrewdriver were good at following orders iirc

pogo in the boardroom!

(but only when your stocks go up)

Line Manager Sensible

http://www.cvltnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Bad-Brains-1979-.jpg

true punk HR

"We're moving the HR Department, the general opinion among the management team is that the ground floor should be used for more front facing departments and the 1st floor for finance and upper management, do you or your team have any objections?"

"I Don't Wanna Go Down to the Basement"

how perry como can revitalize human resources.

Struggling to think of a single figure from the punk era who wouldn't have been an HR nightmare. Strummer maybe.

Strummer would go AWOL to Europe for weeks to hide from his boss, but at least he never stuck up for his subordinates when they were being bullied incessantly in the workplace

that is a hilarious forbes article

old punker fite - https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/03/johnny-rotten-and-marky-ramone-fight/

Yes

Legit beef or staged?

what a surprise I'm on Team Everybody but John fucking Lydon

I don't think it was staged, Marky looked genuinely mad

Assume Lydon just likes to insult people, especially turning it on whilst in Johnny Rotten character and, much like a Don Rickles audience, you’re expected to play along.

Johnny Rotten really looks like a potato.

Eh...I guess you would not expect any different a result. One thing I always got that was Lydon blamed the nyc punk rock junkies for hooking Sid bad onto smack, so it was not unexpected for him to be hostile to an old nyc punk. Marky also threw some shade towards in the MC5 in that exchange too.

Marky obv. from the apolitical it's only rock 'n' roll school but Lydon is talking garbage, of course.

Before the PiL show last year there was a $50 meet n greet, I assume it was just a few minutes of personalized abuse from Lydon.

Marky is an oaf, Lydon is a clown

And oh I don’t lol why

And oh I don’t lol why

TBH kinda was hoping Marky would get up and deck Rotten that whole time

He doesn't want to risk his wig falling off

And oh I don’t lol why

― curmudgeon

Punk's not dead, I just find it difficult to care about it in 2019.

really sad to watch them argue about the things that happened between 1976-1981

john lydon is a fucking idiot these days and has been a has been for a very long time, but he can never erase the importance of his old bands.

I don't know, John always seems to be playing a character in public. I've heard tell that he's much more approachable in person. God help you if you're a clueless member of the press, though.