― Dan (Yay Imports) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― matt2 (matt2), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (PRESTO) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― PeopleFunnyBoy (PeopleFunnyBoy), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (I CAN'T FIND MYSELF) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx rides the neon lights (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:05 (eighteen years ago) link
OTM. I said it before, but not many bands can record a song like "Lost" after a 25-year long career.For all the production shortcomings, at least they tried it hard with that album - or, at least, someone in the band tried it hard. Probably, if the whole group was really into it, final results could have been a lot better.
― Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx rides the neon lights (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― flowersdie (flowersdie), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link
In any event, I don't buy Roger's indignation that it was an RS album and nobody enjoyed it. It's not like the Cure were ever less/more than RS's band. Sounds like another falling out over the impotence O'Donnell et al are willing to ignore for sake of joining the carnival; there's always the big standoff when pride catches up with them, and RS always wins. There's almost always someone in the splitter's ear...Babacar you say?
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link
The Curiosa show set at Randall's Island WAS too short, but not many bands that old could touch the quality. I'm glad someone recommended purchase of the Trilogy DVD to me, tho. They should just tour!
― bkjj40a (bkjj40a), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/Curestudio06.jpg
Meantime, Perry Bamonte speaks.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link
I am, aren't I?
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Wednesday, 26 July 2006 22:34 (eighteen years ago) link
Bring back Boris!!!
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― thomas (thomas), Thursday, 27 July 2006 08:57 (eighteen years ago) link
Yeah, I've got a recording of that and it was mindblowingly great.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Thursday, 27 July 2006 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― unfished business, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
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― cutty, Saturday, 24 February 2007 08:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Charlie Howard, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 06:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 06:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― othervoices, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― baaderonixx, Friday, 9 March 2007 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
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― StanM, Monday, 12 March 2007 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:19 (seventeen years ago) link
from pitchfork:
The Cure Announce Tour, Ready New Album
The Cure have just announced the North American leg of their 2007 world tour, which means that Asians and Australians won't be the only ones treated to a healthy dose of makeup and mood this summer and fall.
The band are also readying their 13th studio album, the as-yet-untitled follow-up to their 2004 self-titled record, for a fall release on Suretone/Geffen.
Frontman Robert Smith, guitarist Porl Thompson, bassist Simon Gallup, and drummer Jason Cooper will begin their jaunt in Fuji, Japan on July 27, and they have shows scheduled through October 17 in Dallas at the oh-so-goth American Airlines Center.
Sheffield up-and-comers 65daysofstatic will open all of the North American shows.
Dates:
07-27 Fuji, Japan - Fuji Rock Festival 07-30 Hong Kong, China - Asia World Arena 08-01 Singapore, Singapore - Singapore Indoor Stadium 08-04 Perth, Australia - Challenge Stadium 08-06 Adelaide, Australia - Entertainment Centre 08-08 Brisbane, Australia - Entertainment Centre 08-10 Sydney, Australia - Entertainment Centre 08-12 Melbourne, Australia - Rod Laver Arena 09-13 Tampa, FL - St. Petersburg Times Forum * 09-15 Atlanta, GA - Gwinnett Civic Center * 09-17 Charlotte, NC - Charlotte Bobcats Arena * 09-19 Washington, DC - Patriot Center * 09-21 Philadelphia, PA - Wachovia Spectrum * 09-23 New York, NY - Madison Square Garden * 09-25 Boston, MA - Agganis Arena * 09-26 Montreal, Quebec - Bell Center * 09-27 Toronto, Ontario - Air Canada Centre * 09-29 Chicago, IL - Allstate Arena * 10-02 Denver, CO - Red Rocks Amphitheater * 10-04 Salt Lake City, UT - E Center * 10-06 Mountain View, CA - Shoreline Amphitheater (Download Festival) * 10-08 Seattle, WA - Key Arena * 10-09 Vancouver, British Columbia - General Motors Place * 10-11 Santa Barbara, CA - Santa Barbara Bowl * 10-13 San Diego, CA - Cox Arena * 10-14 Los Angeles, CA - Hollywood Bowl * 10-16 Houston, TX - Toyota Center * 10-17 Dallas, TX - American Airlines Center *
* with 65daysofstatic
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 June 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link
i think i will be going this time around. i' missed them on the last tour and was the first time in years.
yeah Cure!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 23 June 2007 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, same here, the Curiosa deal was fairly annoying in concept. I didn't want Festival Cure but straight up Cure (this said, an opening band this time around is a bit different from the 1996 and 2000 tours where they went without, but if they don't take up too much time I'm fine with it...)
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 June 2007 00:50 (seventeen years ago) link
nice to see 65DOS get a decent support act for once
― Just got offed, Saturday, 23 June 2007 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link
No support for Australian shows - Cure perform whole concert!
Oh yeah!
― SeekAltRoute, Saturday, 23 June 2007 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link
OMG 65dos are supporting the Cure on the US leg? NO FUCKING FAIR
That said, fuck paying $120 for a ticket (which is how much they are here).
― Trayce, Saturday, 23 June 2007 04:28 (seventeen years ago) link
So that means they're going to start a tour before having a new album out?
― baaderonixx, Saturday, 23 June 2007 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link
HUR HUR HUR
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 June 2007 09:08 (seventeen years ago) link
Because appearance is indicative of musical talent.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
Of course it isn't, it's just another way in which Cooper is unsuitable for The Cure.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
As not a member of the band, you're unsuitable to make such claims.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 18:59 (seven years ago) link
A quick assessment of Cure drummers
Lol - Technically not a great drummer, although dealt with his limitations well and came up with a lot of good drum parts. The simplicity and starkness of his drumming was of great benefit to The Cure's material from the beginning up to Pornography. Second only to Boris in Cure drummer terms.
Steve - Only played on the 'Let's Go To Bed' single, and while the guy was never a "proper" member of The Cure, his chops are great - he also played on Costello's 'Watching The Detectives' ... would have been suitable for The Cure full time? Probably not.
Andy - The most underrated drummer in Cure history, could handle the likes of the thidding 'Shake Dog Shake' and the jazz-brush shuffle of 'The Lovecats' without too much trouble. Love his drumming on 'Bird Mad Girl' in particular.
Boris - The Cure drummer as far as I, and pretty much the majority of Curefans are concerned. Had a great sound and feel, and really knew how to craft drum parts that brought out the best in the material and contributed massively to the Cure's sound during their most commercially successful period. Check out 'The Walk' from The Cure In Orange - he plays every ounce of that drum machine beat exact. Superb.
Jason - The longest serving Cure drummer but also the most anonymous. Terrible drum sound, over-uses his cymbals and embellishes various Cure songs with unnecessary flourishes. Also terrible at the softer songs - very clattery.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
*thudding
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:17 (seven years ago) link
As not a member of the band, you're unsuitable to make such claims.― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, August 4, 2017 6:59 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, August 4, 2017 6:59 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
As a long-time fan of the band, I'm going to ignore you and make such claims anyway. Not that it should come as a surprise, since a hell of a lot of long-time fans have been saying the same thing for close to two decades - and they're right.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, so to anyone just trying to catch up on the happenings in this topic: anybody who says Lol is "second only to Boris" should be immediately disregarded, as actual skill and musical talent means nothing to this person.
Turricantics, go back to defending Rush or some other shite music whose fans are as pedantically cunty as you are. Stop sullying up Cure topics with fashion assessments and idiotic, baseless grudges you're holding onto.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link
I don't remember the Rush threads being pedantic.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link
I think any right-thinking Cure fan would say that Lol is second only to Boris in terms of contribution. Lol and Boris have contributed a lot of lasting, memorable work to the Cure canon. Jason hasn't.
Austin Allegro, stop trying to be me. You're terrible at it. You're great at "sullying" Cure topics by being "pedantically cunty", though, as anyone with a pair of eyes and the ability to scroll upwards can witness, which I guess also means you're terrible at self-awareness, too.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link
I'm just going to post some songs I love off this album and pretend you guys aren't here.
https://youtu.be/SX8W_TXFyME
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
I love this song so much
https://youtu.be/wCgejr7z7fI
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
I don't remember Lol Tolhurst being a better drummer than Andy Anderson, and yet here we are.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
"Hungry Ghost" is my favourite. I thought the b-sides were quite weak but I think I like this album more than most of you.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:50 (seven years ago) link
This is a song where I think Jason works incredibly well; he pretty much thunders his way through the song and everyone else springboards off of his energy:
https://youtu.be/rnJkgEwLKb8
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
This is still my favorite of the singles and the one that translates best to a live setting:
https://youtu.be/A7Iicf6ATeY
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
Ah yeah, 'The Real Snow White' - one of my favourite tracks on the album, that. It's one of many that truly could have blossomed more if it wasn't for the awful production. I think that's the thing that irked me the most about 4:13 Dream, even moreso than the continued presence of Jason Cooper... it's that Robert Smith has been involved in making so many great sounding records, that 4:13 Dream for me was a case of "how did this happen? how did this recording/final mix end up sounding so dull, flat and lifeless?"
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
i like the fashion critiques! simon looks like the singer from LIT now
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 4 August 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
My favorite of the b-sides; again, I really like Jason in full-on thunder mode and when the song kicks into full on fraught paranoia in the prechorus, it rules:
https://youtu.be/F4Gq0D88PyQ
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:55 (seven years ago) link
I think this is probably the most underrated song on the album. It's not my favorite but every time I play it, I am struck by how much I enjoy it and wonder why it doesn't appear as anyone's 2nd or 3rd favorite:
https://youtu.be/w0HGRkYOEEU
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
The thing about songs like 'It's Over' and 'Switch' is that I can't help but imagine how much they'd rule if Boris had played on 'em.
Andy Anderson is technically a better drummer than Lol but Lol came up with iconic drum parts like the ones on 'The Figurehead', 'The Hanging Garden', 'Siamese Twins' etc. Andy did however play drums on 'The Lovecats', which alone means he's made more of a contribution to the Cure canon drumming-wise than Jason has in his whole stint.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
This song is a little "latter-period Cure, lol" but it still works, especially the prechorus:
https://youtu.be/cHagAp8CVo0
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:01 (seven years ago) link
i like the fashion critiques! simon looks like the singer from LIT now― kurt schwitterz, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:54 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hahahaha! I'd never quite made the connection, but yeah!
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
I agree with RAG, this song bangs:
https://youtu.be/6IvdTyvWaGo
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:04 (seven years ago) link
"Hungry Ghost" is my favourite. I thought the b-sides were quite weak but I think I like this album more than most of you.― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:50 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, August 4, 2017 7:50 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think 4:13 Dream is a great collection of songs! Actually, I'd go as far as saying that stylistically it was quite refreshing coming after the more ponderous Bloodflowers and the Ross Robinson-ness of The Cure ... but the way that the songs are recorded/produced/mixed/arranged and even (in places) played does them no favours. I'm sure they didn't set out to make a lousy sounding record, but it does often feel to me that they took this great batch of songs and shat on them.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
i looove "sleep when i'm dead"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:09 (seven years ago) link
'Sleep When I'm Dead' was written around the time of The Head on the Door, iirc?
I actually really like 'This. Here and Now. With You', even though I'm pretty sure that DJP hates it.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:12 (seven years ago) link
The thing that struck me most was how accessible the album is. Everything from Kiss Me to the selftitled album taken a long time for me to digest but 4:13 Dream was as easy as Boys Don't Cry.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 4 August 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
When I heard 'Freakshow' for the first time, I thought "shit, haven't heard them do a song like this for a while!"
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 4 August 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
Also, Andy was not able to play the triplets on '100 Years' either, so he must be crap, right?
uhhhttps://youtu.be/ApKZ1mOLbIY?t=2721
https://youtu.be/ApKZ1mOLbIY?t=2721
― Birds in Hell, Friday, 4 August 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
That is indeed Boris' first ever show with the band.
Not that he's playing the triplets, either. But, carry on.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Friday, 4 August 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
^ Pedantically cunty post.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 5 August 2017 09:20 (seven years ago) link
I heard that Jason can't even play a triplet.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 August 2017 13:52 (seven years ago) link
I checked and that's actually Boris' 10th or so show with the Cure - but mostly pretty impressive stuff. Haven't heard the few with Vince from Psychedelic Furs.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 5 August 2017 14:28 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gpeVLvJ6KU
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 5 August 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
v surprised by how much i love "the reasons why"
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 09:15 (seven years ago) link
q: why isn't "without you" on this record
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHht5Ugv_7o
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 23:36 (seven years ago) link
lotta wacky bob vocalizations but it totally sweeps me away anyway
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 23:41 (seven years ago) link
i bought all three singles but never really listened to them before, so thanks Brad.
i have been listening to 4:13 Dream non-stop since we have been on a Cure kick on ILM. still not a fan of the production but really, really like this album. if they cut a couple of songs off it, what could have been. i would say their best since Wish.
― Bee OK, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 00:15 (seven years ago) link
Bee, there were four singles from this album!
'The Only One' b/w 'NY Trip''Freakshow' b/w 'All Kinds of Stuff''The Perfect Boy' b/w 'Without You''Sleep When I'm Dead' b/w 'Down Under'
'Without You' and 'Down Under' are fantastic.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 01:20 (seven years ago) link
All Kinds of Stuff rules, too
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 02:04 (seven years ago) link
I'm not really a fan. Good b-side fodder, though.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 03:43 (seven years ago) link
I mean, I liked it better when they recorded it in 1986 and it was called 'A Japanese Dream.'
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 03:55 (seven years ago) link
How have I noticed heard this before?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEdos_du2Zw
― Bee OK, Thursday, 17 November 2022 06:57 (one year ago) link
Not sure how not turned into noticed there.
― Bee OK, Thursday, 17 November 2022 07:01 (one year ago) link