Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, it does seem like "niceness" is just the apex of achievement for a band like DMB -- they play the exact role that Phil Collins and Genesis played back in the mid-'80s (except Phil and Co. wrote songs that got on the radio). Just... nice. And not, y'know, *weird* like that new wave stuff. I mean, who's going to listen to that weird stuff in 20 years? ;)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well, they're just half a step removed from hippies, no?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah niceness is just criminally uncool, I'd sooner be caught telling people to be kind to others

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

this dmb hootie comparison convinces me that either most people hatin' haven't actually listened to dmb carefully, or that there's much more interesting stuff going on in hootie than i realized.

i mean a violin jamband combo with a dude singing slightly skittery jazz-inflected stuff in not quite a standard key. maybe its not my thing but while i was like 15 or 16 and listening to alt-rock radio it seemed way more *weird* than most of the stuff on at the time.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

BOTH SUCK

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

that or one is completely unaware of the histories, tour circuits, etc. of hootie and dmb, or the way their label sold them as the 'new hootie' in 94 (somewhere big head todd's going 'where's my platinum album?').

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

hootie, dmb, big head todd, lisa loeb, the pietasters and squirrel nut zippers were all regular players at my dad's old club in southwest va in the early to mid 90s. make of that what you will.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the Yanc3y but that club sounds like my idea of a slow, bitter, torturous hell.

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

Inestimably classic.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

'chitlin circuit' to thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

but the touring circuit matters, sterling! these bands shared stages, were friends/rivals, they wuz a SCENE, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

my dad's club totally sucked. tho it did give me the opportunity to meet uncle tupelo when i wuz 14. which was very cool.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

pretending bands don't have contexts - c or d?

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

the thing is ALOT of people woulda put their money on big head todd if you'd asked them 'who's gonna make it big?'

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i would've. "bittersweet" shoulda been the anthem of the 90s.

it's the boulder curse! (rick neuheisel to thread!)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

haha! rashaan salaam to thread!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Matthews Band, Hootie and The Blowfish, Counting Crows (the Why is DMB so Hated Thread has gotten too huge to load quickly) [some nonworksafe spanking be here]

― the Management of Justifiable Hatred (vassifer), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

he's gotta take off the noose first

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd just like to know what all these people being so high and mighty listen to, or are they too busy trying to seem "cool" by critiquing everything they can? And saying that dave sounds like a "muppet," I think that 50 Cent sounds awful and monotonous, but instead of being mean about it I just say "I don't like him" so I'm not rude to any of his fans.

― Jeff, Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling stop posting under aliases!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

dave sounds like a "muppet,"

Hey, I like the way Kermit sings.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

jewel sounds more like a muppet. that was what made her first single cool & catchy. after that i have no idea why she stuck around.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

more references to ILM and its regulars as a single coherent hata motherbrain please

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, do those of you bemoaning the hatred showed here towards Dave even read the title of this thread?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I was in a jam band called Hata Motherbrain once, we had a killer version of China Cat Sunflower

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Looks like the dmb fans have gave up at last.

― Brain, Thursday, 12 June 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Just tired of people's bitching and not trying in the least bit to understand where fans are coming from. Got bored with the constant cheapshots and reference to the fan stereotypes. Please, please, please, sustain your arguements with something other than "uh..they suck cuz they're boring n' stuff." Or "I went to a concert once...but its just not my kind of music so I think they suck" If the only reason that you can procure for the reason that you don't like them is that it's not your type of music, then what the hell are you argueing about? Also, make up your minds boys, please...are we all hippies or are we frat boys? I have to know so I can conform to that faction (since you know, that's what we DMB fans do..we conform)
I do acknowlege that a small portion of the people that post here are not as thoroughly dim-witted as the puerile majority are. This post not intended for the few that actually justify their aversion.
To remark on the original comment, I'm sure the fans are still watching. They're just still waiting for the imprudent, pseudo-intellectuals to say something that varies from the same thing they've said since this thread was created.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 01:56 (twenty-three years ago)

deranged duck!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"the puerile majority" is the name of my forthcoming book on contemporary iranian politics.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Allison, I think that chastising people for puerile comments on a thread designed to attract the hardcore puerile contingent might be somewhat fruitless.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)

It probably wasn't designed that way, but you can't deny that it does attract them.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha. Allison rulez.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

As a member of not just one, but many hardcore puerile contingents - DMB is the antithesis of puerile. That's why we hate him (and Sting.)

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

So, am I supposed to be a puerile embarassment or not?

I think I'm just going to sit here and be peeved with Josh.

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:27 (twenty-three years ago)

''Ha. Allison rulez.''

i second that!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you going to stick around and contribute on other threads , Allison? It's not all hate here incase you were wonderin'.

― brain, Friday, 13 June 2003 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I comment on other threads when I feel it necessary. I just thought the ignorance on this particular thread was spreading much too quickly, and needed a slight speed reduction.
It would make sense that the "antithesis of puerile" wouldn't be accepted on this board...I can see that maturity is not one of this group's many fortes.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that.

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry, Allison; you're making a good amount of sense and expressing yourself will and all I can do is giggle at your email address. Truly I suck.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn, "J"...that was deep. Somebody should put that in a book or something.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 17:41 (twenty-three years ago)

aflac

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Most pretentious thing I've read on ILM in MONTHS!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, what's being posited as the "antithesis of puerile" here? Allison herself?

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

The point is, rock and roll is about being puerile. If you want adult, listen to Miles Davis or Stravinsky. ILM is puerile. If you want adult, go to the Library.

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

(Side point: ILM is not just about rock and roll, so it should be more than just puerile.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Good point. Point taken.

And I'm sick of that fucking word...

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Totally on point with that last point.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

If the only reason that you can procure for the reason that you don't like them is that it's not your type of music, then what the hell are you argueing about?

It's all subjective. There have been many many posts here which elucidate the specific things in Dave's music that is not liked. What more can you say than 'Dave does/doesn't do X, Y, or Z. I don't care for/do care for X, Y, or Z'?
To focus on each point brought up misses the whole, which is greater than the sum of its parts, ie, it's not JUST that people think the music is boring, and not JUST that they don't care for his voice, and not JUST that they don't want to be associated w/his hardcore fans. It's all of these--and more--combined.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

At this point, answer SEVEN HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR, I just want to say that I quite like the Dave Matthews CD a friend gave me a while ago, the drumming is particularly tasteful.

― mei (mei), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:28 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.dmbsucks.com/

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Friday, 13 June 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

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