The Bobby Gillespie Bullshit game

he had hit records as part of the mary chain...

(xp) Bobby too tall? Trying to imagine a Regimental Sergeant Major trying to whip a platoon with Bobby G, Duglas Stewart and Stephen Pastel into shape - one for Viz maybe?

or maybe a Boab from a parallel universe where he went on an NVQ plastering course or got a job on the bins or whatever, but still talked the same kind of self-obsessed, self-mythologizing pretentious rock-star gubbins in the workplace and driving his work colleagues to despair on a daily basis.

Deafened by the chorus of "Aye, right" and "Heard it" that would meet his every utterance. I sometimes feel Bobby's been away from Glasgow too long - therefore I insist Boaby G needed to be invented as a counterbalance and to help keep him grounded.

Whenever I think of Bobby G I remember Justine Frischmann's story about how he was the worst housemate she ever had because he was too paranoid to ever answer the door.

extremely on-brand

In the documentary is it weird that they blipped right over the band's jangly beginnings and went straight to the self-titled record era?

Maybe Jim Navajo couldn't be reached at the reservation?

He gets a tiny mention and they show one pic of the C86 era band, I think.

they shd show a picture of the legend! and momus holding hands

to be fair they shd show that in all music documentaries, as a terrible warning

They should have shown this tuneless, polka dotted fop -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsOKV0GY5B8

tbf part of the narrative was that Gillespie, Innes, Young & McGee (sounds like a Rangers back four from the early 60s) had all been at school together, whereas Big Jim Beattie, being a Native American, was an outsider. Also Jim Beattie was responsible for most of the music in the original band, I think?

a more convincing case for the urgent need of an acid house intervention has never been made xp

If you can bear to watch to the end of the song (or just scroll past) there's some classic early Bobtalk. "Being in a car crash can be psychedelic... looking at the sea can be psychedelic... having sex can be like a hallucination..."

xp lol dying at bobby's monologue at the end of that clip.

I can't be arsed to watch that vid but I saw them - and played on the Give Us a Break triv machine with them - in late 87 and I think it's probably only the goodness of "Velocity Girl" that gave me the interest to pay any attention until "Loaded" happened

I can remember a cousin telling me he was off to see [sic] Primeval Scream at Hudds Poly at some point in about '89 or something. Poor bastard was a metal fan!

I think it's probably only the goodness of "Velocity Girl" that gave me the interest to pay any attention until "Loaded" happened

That's the first 7 years of Primal Scream in a nutshell.

If it wasn't for Gillespie's connection with JAMC and for generally being a guy who'd been around for years and knows people, they'd never been given the chance to make any albums or been on the same live circuit as eg. Felt or the Jazz Butcher or the Pastels etc because Primal Scream were a horrible band with no good songs in those days. Creation was put out their records, and Revolving Paint Dream, Biff Bang Pow, Slaughter Joe and others because they were friends of Alan McGee, not because anyone wanted to hear them.

> In the documentary is it weird that they blipped right over the band's jangly beginnings and went straight to the self-titled record era?

the recent best-of did exactly the same.

i love sonic flower groove and crystal crescent fwiw. and that second revolving paint dream lp is one of my all-time faves.

the recent best-of did exactly the same.

tbf the recent* one included songs from the first two albums, it was the one before that** which didn't

* March 2004
** November 2003

* March 2004 ***

*** Japan only 8)

Ha, "recent"

yes, further away from the present than the release was from Loaded :D

Primal Tap is so OTM. Many Tap-esque moments in this thing..."first thing he ever says to me was what's your favourite Bob Marley b-side", Bobby sniffing the record, McGee undermining the whole concept by saying that with hindsight the released version of the album was the right thing to do, Noel G saying all pre-Screamadelica Creation Records are shit - which would include the first 2 Primal Scream albums, and many, many more. Good laughs in this.

i saw them live in the Velocity Girl era and they were great, tbf. '86, probably, supporting Julian Cope. They were a six-piece at the time; one guy just played tambourine, but he wore black leather gloves to do it: as the son of a shop steward Boab was a stickler for the health and safety of his employees.

I also saw Primal Scream live a couple of times around the time of their first single (they were supporting James and the Blue Aeroplanes, respectively) and yeah, they were perfectly fine indie jangle. Very short sets - they plainly didn't have many songs.

I don't recognise everything's claim that nobody wanted to hear records by the Creation also-rans. Like many other rec labels with a brand identity, plenty of people, self included, bought into the whole Creation aesthetic and would buy pretty much anything released on the label. And that Slaughter Joe single is a belter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DPe-2HuApE

Slaughter Joe single was popular, relatively, as were Jim Beattie's Primal Scream actually, Biff Bang Pow or Revolving Paint Dream on the other hand - but, hey ho, it was his label after all.

Slaughter joe did go on to run a worthwhile record label too.

which would include the first 2 Primal Scream albums

fwiw the 1st Primal Scream album wasn't on Creation

So it was on McGee's other label but the point remains that his association with JAMC and Bobby generally being a meme propped them up throughout the early years. Obviously they were liked and had their fans - I was one of them. But even at the time they seemed bad and retrospectively they were so much worse than their peers at the time. And I don't mean bands like the Clouds or the Razorcuts. Got an old flyer for Rooftop Club in Glasgow with the headlining bands for successive Sundays in Sept 1987 - Primal Scream, the Chills, Bambi Slam, Felt/House of Love and The Swans. Primal Scream at the time were not even close to being the equal of most of those bands. Later they were, but not then.

oh boy the bambi slam were the fucking worst

I've completely forgotten who they were ybh.

.. to be honest, not you be honest.

kind of a tune free version of the mary chain with the added feature of someone sawing away at a cello, all swagger and racket sort of thing. think the main guy was canadian?

They look kinda gothy. But then the Mary Chain look was sort of modified gothy.

they were definitely goth adjacent! andrew eldritch was their manager for a short while iirc and got them signed to a major

Primal Scream at the time were not even close to being the equal of most of those bands. Later they were, but not then.

yes but this is surely what made McGee worthwhile for several years - that he could see potential and nurture it. this is what A&R and label owners should do! it used to take most ppl an album or two to actually get good.

Bob's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/primalscreamofficial) is a must, for all your rock 'n' roll iconography / radical politics needs.

Don't ever change, big man.

Classic Boab.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrZmKBkX4AAnXud.jpg

Bob's Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/primalscreamofficial🕸) is a must...

it's good but it's not

https://ksassets.timeincuk.net/wp/uploads/sites/55/2011/06/PrimalScreamWomblesPR170611.jpg

Did no-one think to invite Orinoco?

https://diem25.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/photo5908732877753921029.jpg

bobby gearing up to let varoufakis have both barrels on why he's wrong about the merits of the mc5 vs the stooges

varoufakis "hawkwind fan"

About 2 results (0.21 seconds)

he totally is though

he has two ears and a heart iirc

he has a hog he doesn't need that other stuff