5. hotel detective
which one?
― High Tint Megabytes (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)
i hope "stand on your own head" makes it
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 29 October 2018 19:51 (seven years ago)
oh shit, crane totally a lock. so one of mine is DOA? or did one place and i missed it? i def don't need to see hotel detective (the beloved tmbg classic not the forgotten b-side) place anywhere but it'd be WEIRD for it to not even make top 77.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 29 October 2018 19:57 (seven years ago)
outside of the top 5 I find the rest of these results totally baffling tbh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 29 October 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)
just wait til it turns out the top five is actually "spy," "absolutely bill's mood," "space suit," "toddler hiway" and at #1, "birds fly."
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:01 (seven years ago)
I remember long ago mentioning to someone I had this CD and they said "you have to burn me a copy, I need to get that 'everyone wants a rock to wind the piece of string around' song, it's been stuck in my head for years"
― frogbs, Monday, 29 October 2018 20:04 (seven years ago)
Come on guys it's 100% Ana Ng, She's an Angel, They'll Need a Crane, Birdhouse in Your Soul, Don't Let's Start, in some order.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:06 (seven years ago)
duh
― Οὖτις, Monday, 29 October 2018 20:07 (seven years ago)
#6 through #10 is entirely populated by tracks I never would have predicted in top 10 (except maybe "Puppet Head") but I'm reasonably happy with all of them. They were all on my ballot except "Dead", though none higher than #34 ("Purple Toupee"). "Where Your Eyes Don't Go" I rated way too low, in retrospect.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:09 (seven years ago)
Each of the Hotel Detectives got the exact same number of points from the exact same number of votes.
― High Tint Megabytes (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:10 (seven years ago)
(in a three-way tie with Hope That I Get Old Before I Die!)
And, sure, it's a predictable top 5, but that's because they all genuinely deserve it.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)
otm
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:12 (seven years ago)
I'm confused because Ana Ng, Angel, Hotel Detective, Crane, Birdhouse, and DLS are all "impossible to imagine not placing" candidates for me but I guess I'm most likely to be wrong about "Hotel Detective"? I assumed "We Want a Rock," my #7 and my #2 on Flood (to "Dead") was out of it for this very reason.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)
I guess I'm most likely to be wrong about "Hotel Detective"?
― High Tint Megabytes (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:16 (seven years ago)
I would have also expected Hearing Aid, Sapphire Bullets of Pure Love, You'll Miss Me and a few others to be somewhere in the top 77 before we started (unless some of these have placed and I missed them?)
even if you had voted three times and put each of these at #1, none of them would have made it to the top 77 (Hearing Aid would have been #78. Only two people voted for You'll Miss Me.)
― High Tint Megabytes (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:17 (seven years ago)
"You'll Miss Me" is absolute garbage, don't @ me.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:18 (seven years ago)
Ana Ng, She's an Angel, They'll Need a Crane, Birdhouse in Your Soul, Don't Let's Start
Crane is a good song, but it's a distant fifth in this group. I'd put Palindrome, Statue or Spiralling Shape in there ahead of it.
― alpine static, Monday, 29 October 2018 20:19 (seven years ago)
For me, two of these five tower far above the other three, but I will wait until the results are out to reveal whether you guys picked the right ones.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:21 (seven years ago)
From the pink album. Pretty shocked it didn't place. One thing that's going on, I think, is that what's great about it is really not as specifically TMBG as what's great about She's an Angel or Don't Let's Start. If you push me I can sort of imagine Was (Not Was) recording it (to re-up a comparison I think Doc Casino made somewhere upthread.)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)
soref, sapphires is gonna be my highest ranking song not to place. i think it's gorgeous, but i understand if it's a bit less lyrical or manic than what people want or expect from tmbg
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)
I think if you had asked me to guess what would be top 5 I'd have been close to right and if you'd asked me to guess 6-10 I would have been utterly wrong. (e.g. I certainly would have put "Istanbul" and "Particle Man" in 6-10.)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:24 (seven years ago)
I don't know what I'm going to do for display names after today, but I've been saving this one for two months until we hit the top 5
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)
I actually really dig all of these except maybe "spy" and voted for none of them which just shows you how damn deep the catalog is
(fact check: no wait, in fact "absolutely bill's mood" and "space suit" were the very last two on my ballot!)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)
5: She's An Angel 1426 points, 17 votes, 2 #1s
from The Pink Album, 1986live version on Live!! New York City 10/14/94 and Severe Tire Damage
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:27 (seven years ago)
^ TOO LOW
This was my #1. This has been my favorite TMBG song, and arguably my favorite any song, for 20+ years now.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:28 (seven years ago)
"they don't happen at ah-ah-all, in fact" one of the sweetest saddest lines i've ever encountered anywhere
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:29 (seven years ago)
Sweet point jump too.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:29 (seven years ago)
"The secretary says he's on another line, can I hold for a long, long time" is a lyrical precursor to "Whistling In the Dark" and "Someone Keeps Moving My Chair" I realize now
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:30 (seven years ago)
just realized 9 of the top 10 are sung by Linnell
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:32 (seven years ago)
whoever above said that "puppet head" is a spectacular melody, true but i feel that twice as much about "she's an angel"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:32 (seven years ago)
yeah if you plunk the melody for she's an angel on the piano, it sounds like Bach
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:33 (seven years ago)
don't really have the musical vocabulary to describe this but the way the words are placed not where you'd expect them vis-a-vis the beat on "why did they send her over anyone else how should i react these things happen" is also insanely A+, in conclusion, i placed this too low
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)
p sure i first saw "Puppet Head" video when they were on The Joe Franklin Show
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:36 (seven years ago)
4: They'll Need A Crane 1524 points, 18 votes
1989 single from Lincoln LP, 1988. Their sixth Adam Bernstein video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl7f6T4L2IA
making their network TV on Letterman 1989, backed by Paul Shaffer and the World's Most Dangerous Band:
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)
John Linnell is the greatest songwriter of the past 40 years.
― alpine static, Monday, 29 October 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)
And this was my #2. My favorite lyrics of any TMBG song and the bridge is my favorite TMBG moment.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:39 (seven years ago)
wow at point jump. this one is below the rest for me because of "where all the other nighmare people like to go, i mean nice people" gag -- it just feels too strained to me, unlike so many of their little verbal moves which just fall so naturally into place, like, well, "call off the wedding band, nobody wants to hear that one again, that one again," which is about as perfect as they get, in conclusion "they'll need a crane" is a land of contrasts and out of the top 4 we correctly chose which one should be #4
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)
3: Birdhouse In Your Soul 1537 points, 17 votes, 1 #1
single from Flood, 1990. their seventh Adam Bernstein joint:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Am-BF7ObCI
early Dial-A-Song version, 1989
live on The Tonight Show 1990, backed by the big band:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zkRjrGmTl4
― Sing The Mighty Beat (sic), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:45 (seven years ago)
I don't like it either but the version that appeared on their first flexidisc single is really intriguing and weird. Flans sings it like he's either trying to be "cool" or not wake the neighbors. Way different than the version that wound up on Lincoln
"Puppet Head" was written by him, though Flans wrote the lyrics. Was always puzzled how Flansburgh could've written a song like that. I like him a lot, but man Linnell is just in a league of his own
― frogbs, Monday, 29 October 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)
This song always makes me ask: how can I sing like Linnell?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:47 (seven years ago)
Linnell is just in a league of his own
one of my minor disappointments with this poll is that while lots of my personal faves turn out to be really popular, the majestic genius of "State Songs" remains underappreciated
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)
crane at 18 votes, pretty undeniable. what can even be said about either it or "angel." goddamn what amazing songs, about such distant ends of the love/relationship experience.birdhouse is TOO LOW. surely one of the greatest singles of 1989 by anybody in any genre. so startling and so affecting even on the thousandth listen. the unrequited decency of a night light "who watches over you," which could SO easily tip into pathetic nice-guy-ism. if there's any flaw it's the throwaway quality of the "longines symphonette" line which doesn't really contribute anything and points away to an obscure reference for no real reason. but everything else is perfect.
― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)
this one is below the rest for me because of "where all the other nighmare people like to go, i mean nice people" gag -- it just feels too strained to me, unlike so many of their little verbal moves which just fall so naturally into place
I like the whole 'don't call me at work again oh no the boss still hates me' bit, it's perfect imo
nightmare people kind of reminds me of the ugliness men from Someone Keeps Moving My Chair
― soref, Monday, 29 October 2018 20:52 (seven years ago)
for me the big hook in Birdhouse is that "who WATCHES OVER YOU" in the chorus, it fits so well despite being kind of out of place. like it was beamed in from another song.
as for "She's an Angel"...its probably the one I've been obsessed with for the longest time. the way it explodes from this intentionally droll verse to this profound and beautiful chorus (both of them, in fact) is really something. sadly they have never once played it when I've seen them, I always wondered how Linnell manages to sing it without running out of air.
― frogbs, Monday, 29 October 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)
i said where your eyes don't go has the cleverest chord progression, but you know, it's probably birdhouse. how both "i'm your only friend" section are in different keys from each other and different keys from the rest of the song but resolve in the same way, but the first time it goes into the chorus and the second time it goes into the verse. it's genius. my #4.
crane was my#2--just so crushingly sad, yet so fun to sing.
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)
honestly my favorite part of "birdhouse" isn't a lyric at all, it's the insistent little keyboard line that transits from the opening "i'm your only friend" to the main part of the song, right as the drums come in.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:57 (seven years ago)
haha yeah the first dozen or so times i heard the song, i thought the line ended with a question mark ("WHO WATCHES OVER YOU???").
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:57 (seven years ago)
I'm honestly a little surprised that 3 people didn't vote for Birdhouse at all. I'm a bit sick of it myself, and I consider it clearly the weakest of these 5 consensus top songs but not voting for it at all just seems wrong.
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:57 (seven years ago)