Well those are certainly some words you guys posted on the internet
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 October 2018 06:05 (five years ago) link
When a vocal critic of Phil Collins '80s gated drum sound praises the drum sound on St. Anger it isn't actually controversial, just fucking stupid.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, 28 October 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
fb isn't alone on this one; when I interviewed Tyshawn Sorey (avant-garde jazz drummer) for The Wire I played him a track from St. Anger and he loved the drum sound - said it was his favorite thing about the record.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 28 October 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
lol that's tight
― budo jeru, Sunday, 28 October 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
The drum sound isn't the problem with St Anger
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
Yeah, really.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:27 (five years ago) link
What is it then?
― Buckaroo Can't Fail (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:28 (five years ago) link
The songs are just boring
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
Okay, thanks. Good thing I never listened to it
― Buckaroo Can't Fail (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 28 October 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
Yeah, the songs are poorly put together and way too long. That said, it's not as bad as people (including me!) said at the time. In hindsight, it's a decent try, and having watched the documentary, I understand why they (particularly Hetfield) made it. They/he had no other choice. In fact, I wrote about it last month for Stereogum, in the context of a 10th anniversary look at Death Magnetic.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link
More often than not, Emmylou Harris' harmony vocals are distracting.
Don't get me wrong: I think she's terrific and I've probably listened to Wrecking Ball six thousand times. But I feel like her voice is too distinctive to blend or something.
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:16 (five years ago) link
When a vocal critic of Phil Collins '80s gated drum sound praises the drum sound on St. Anger it isn't actually controversial, just fucking stupid.― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, October 28, 2018 12:04 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Sunday, October 28, 2018 12:04 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
welcome back 😈
― flappy bird, Sunday, 28 October 2018 20:59 (five years ago) link
unperson otmI kinda wish I liked St Anger more
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
― Paul Ponzi, Sunday,
uh the opposite! She's a zero as a lead singer, immaculate as harmonizer.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link
Have you heard the Parton-Harris-Ronstadt Trio? A wondrous record.
Discipline is better played, better written and far more exciting than Remain in Light.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:05 (five years ago) link
I definitely like it more. Idk if I even have an opinion on "better played" or "better written".
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
is there some connection between those albums?
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
Adrian Belew
― Number None, Monday, 29 October 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
i'll go w/the album where he's not allowed to sing
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
I kinda wish I liked St Anger more
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, October 28, 2018 5:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
Beyond just Adrian Belew, I'd say Discipline is highly influenced by Talking Heads overall. I like RIL better, but both are classic.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
This x1000. I can tolerate Belew making the occasional squiggly noise in the margins, but anytime he's allowed to take a dominant role on a song (by anybody), things go straight into the ditch.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:40 (five years ago) link
Fear of Music, Remain in Light, and Speaking in Tongues are each > Discipline, but Discipline, Beat, & Three of a Perfect Pair are each > Talking Heads before 1979 or after 1984.
Belew isn't a terrible singer in the sense that he ruins otherwise great songs, but I think one needs to delve into deeper cuts like "Heartbeat" and "Waiting Man" before he adds to them. Byrne/Belew/Colin Hay were sort of an early 80s trio tthat even constricted, neurotic voices like mine could be expressive.
― They Bunged Him in My Growler (Sanpaku), Monday, 29 October 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link
^ that taught me that even..
― They Bunged Him in My Growler (Sanpaku), Monday, 29 October 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
i actually find Belew's voice kind of beautiful when he's singing and not squawking on stuff like "Three of a Perfect Pair" and "Matte Kudasai"; the ones Sanpaku lists are definitely good examples. I realize it's my own issue but Byrne just annoys the heck out of me or leaves me cold a lot of the time.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 14:31 (five years ago) link
I think Belew is a guitar genius so he can sing however and whatever he wants
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
Leo Kottke is very much in the same boat here
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
Kottke's vox are so bad
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:22 (five years ago) link
yeah
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 30 October 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
Ha, I always skip the "singing" side of The Best.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link
i actually find Belew's voice kind of beautiful when he's singing and not squawking on stuff like "Three of a Perfect Pair" and "Matte Kudasai"; the ones Sanpaku lists are definitely good examples. I realize it's my own issue but Byrne just annoys the heck out of me or leaves me cold a lot of the time.― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:31 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, October 30, 2018 2:31 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yup, basically this.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
Drama is secretly one of the best records Yes ever made, and would be considered as such if Jon Anderson had been the singer on it.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 30 October 2018 20:07 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMKfIXdxh-U
I watch this often. I really like it.
― triggercut, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 11:06 (five years ago) link
It occurred to me in a barely-awake state this morning that Belew's two main vocal approaches in KC mirror the two guitarists': the singing with long sustained swelling notes recalls Fripp's lyrical lead playing; the goofy squawk is like his own outlandish bursts of noise.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 11:51 (five years ago) link
Most interesting. We should dedicate a thread to our semi-oneiric reflections on music before sleep or waking.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 11:57 (five years ago) link
Lol, I'm in.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:02 (five years ago) link
controversial halloween opinion: "Thriller" isnt that great a song, and really hard to buy into MJs performance on it if you didnt grow up in the 80s
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link
Solange’s Don’t Touch My Hair is better than any of Beyoncé’s solo work.
― gyac, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:37 (five years ago) link
Every song on that album is better than Beyoncé's entire solo work.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:40 (five years ago) link
Every single album I have heard this year has been more interesting than the new Robyn.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:42 (five years ago) link
now that's controversial
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 12:58 (five years ago) link
the nice > JH experience
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:05 (five years ago) link
I actually like the Nice but that's definitely controversial, yeah. Interesting, though.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:08 (five years ago) link
David Byrne actually has a very nice melodious voice he’s grown into in the mid-90s, starting from the best Talking Head record, “Naked”. Just listen to the gorgeous ballads on his self-titled and the wonderful “Feelings”. Terrific melody writer. Yet all he’s ever championed for is the frigging early-to-midperiod Talking Heads.
― Max Florian, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:14 (five years ago) link
THRAK contains Belew’s most melodious vocal work, and is the best King Crimson album overall.
― Max Florian, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link
This thread makes me feel good. I might become the new Geir.
― Max Florian, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:19 (five years ago) link
Haha, I appreciate your stanning fir Naked. It isn't really the best, but it's pretty underrated. For at least a couple years after it was released, Naked was my favorite album by anyone, period.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 13:55 (five years ago) link
Thriller is nowhere near MJ's best song, but it's a pretty solid album. For me Jackson's legacy was secured by the utter joy contained in his J5 vocals (ABC etc.), and anything he did as an "adult" is gravy. I barely paid attention to his post-Thriller work, and his consequent shenanigans.
― Glasnostradamus (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 October 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
THRAK feels like the one KC album that Belew utterly saves - not just in his vocal performances but in his songwriting. "Dinosaur" and "Walking on Air" are both really great. I've always thought of Belew as KC's "best" vocalist from a technical point of view (outside of maybe Lake on the first two albums), but you can see why they didn't have him cover the old material often.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 31 October 2018 14:19 (five years ago) link