just think how good Collins the drummer was that he played with Nathan East.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
All anyone needs to do to hear what Collins brought to Genesis as a drummer is listen to Trespass and Nursery Cryme back to back. Or a version of 'The Knife' with Collins drumming. Collins' drumming swings and grooves more, and although his drumming is quite busy on the earlier stuff, his fills complement the material, rather than some of the lumpen, misplaced fills his predecessor does on Trespass.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
When PC joined Led Zeppelin at Live Aid he has spoken about how Page tried to gaslight him before the performance.
Page asked him if he knew his cues and Collins said yeah and sang the bit prior to the guitar solo as an example and Page came back with 'No!....No!' which confused PC and put him massively on the back foot when he came to play, so he sits out that section and lets Tony Thompson completely fuck it up and then took most of the flak for the terrible performance.
For years I thought Page was a dick for doing that to Collins but after seeing this YT vid I wonder if he actually knew that it was likely going to be a car crash regardless of who was drumming, because it seems that a lot of people play that section completely wrong anyway, including Tony Thompson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhlLtd19szw
― MaresNest, Monday, 29 October 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link
Phil's book has a whole section on Zep at Live Aid. He makes a pretty convincing case that he was the only one that had any clue what was going on, exacerbated in part by drugs (Page and Thompson), general assholery (Plant), totally shitty playing and singing (Page and Plant), and a complete lack of preparation (everyone but Phil).
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:05 (five years ago) link
Here's an intriguing quote from Plant on one aborted post Live Aid reunion btw:
“As much as he wanted to do it, it wasn’t the time for Pagey to do that,” Plant said in 1988. “He had just finished the second Firm record, and I think he was a bit confused about what he was doing…We did about two days. It was a most embarrassing moment, to have all that will and not knowing what to play. Jonesy played keyboards, I played bass a bit. It sounded like David Byrne meets Hüsker Dü.”
Robert Plant playing bass? David Byrne meets Husker Du!?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:12 (five years ago) link
Lol that it is easier to count that way. Grouping it as odd time signatures (where downbeats are accented) still makes more sense to me. His first bar is fine but placing accents on the & of 4 in the next two bars seems crazy. I'd rather count 7/8, 4/4, 9/8. 2xp
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Monday, 29 October 2018 15:27 (five years ago) link
Still, good analysis/transcription
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Monday, 29 October 2018 15:31 (five years ago) link
(or the version he has around 4:06 works too)
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Monday, 29 October 2018 15:34 (five years ago) link
Yeah, I don't think I agree with the guy in the video that it was meticulously worked out against a strict 4/4, I reckon they felt their way through after a lot of rehearsing or perhaps JPJ comped it up like you suggest sund4r.
― MaresNest, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:51 (five years ago) link
It's fun watching the Live Aid clip as PC momentarily down tools and wipes his face with a towel while TT crashes through the section like a drunk rhinoceros.
― MaresNest, Monday, 29 October 2018 15:55 (five years ago) link
haha man i'm watching this now, don't know if i've ever seen the whole set
jfc jimmy page a fucking mess
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
every time I see this bumped it gives me the impression that Phil is being physically attacked
― frogbs, Monday, 29 October 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
Plant's not in good voice either. Clearly he was unused to yelling after the moody song-poems he'd sung for two years.
― You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
yeah he sounds rough too, though it's hard not to rubberneck at page jizzing semi-random pentatonic splatter all over the walls
― Greta Van Fleek (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:25 (five years ago) link
Jimmy Page is the worst thing about that performance, to be honest... he's completely on another planet. The solo in particular is excruciating.
Also, Phil was used to doing drum duets live onstage with Genesis by that point - the difference being him and Chester Thompson were generally better prepared!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 29 October 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
just saw that yeah, he's sitting down a lot on this tour. I mean, this is just sad looking:
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, October 23, 2018 2:08 PM (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Because of his dodgy back, I think. He finds it very painful to stand for long periods, hence the seated performances.
― Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Monday, 29 October 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
Yeah, that's right - I've seen a couple of recent interviews where he's been medicated up to the eyeballs.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 29 October 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/phil-collins2.jpg
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 November 2019 09:24 (four years ago) link
Turns up everywhere does Phil, here he is as a blacksmith on the cover of a Planxty album.
https://shop.totallyvinyl.com/img/uploads/images/planxty/PLANXTY_COLLECTION_LP_1.jpg
― Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 14:34 (four years ago) link
Just for the sake of the few that never heard the story:
Collins’ connection with the Beatles dates back to 1964, when he was hired as an extra in their first feature film, A Hard Day’s Night. Then just 13, he spent the day alongside hundreds of fellow teenagers instructed to shout at the top of their lungs during the climactic television concert scene. Unfortunately, his musical purism ended up costing him screen time. “They wanted kids that were screaming, and I just sat still, which is probably why I was cut out of the film,” Collins told Rolling Stone in 2016. “I remember thinking, ‘For crying out loud, will you stop screaming? Let’s listen to the music!'”His second experience with one of the Fabs was equally disappointing. In 1970 he was booked to play congas on a session for “The Art of Dying,” to be included on All Things Must Pass. “One night, our managers called me and said, ‘You want to go down to Abbey Road?'” he remembers. “I said, ‘I’m a bit busy, I’ve just had a bath.’ And they said, ‘Well, it’s for George Harrison.’ I went, ‘I’ll get a cab.’ I walked in and there was Ringo Starr, Billy Preston, Phil Spector, Klaus Voorman, Badfinger, (guitarist) Pete Drake, (Beatles road manager) Mal Evans and George. Spector was introduced in this brusque way. He was like, ‘Who is this young guy, thinks he can play with the Beatles?'”Eager to prove his worth, the 19-year-old attacked the song with brute force during the run-throughs – and soon he had the scars to prove it. By the time the recording began, his hands were raw and he could barely play. “After 90 minutes, I had blood blisters. They took a break, and then Ringo’s chauffeur came and said, ‘You’re finished.'” The sound of congas, if they appear at all, can’t be heard on the final mix. “When All Things Must Pass came out, I looked through the credits and there was no mention of me,” he says.Harrison himself remained unaware of Collins’ participation until 2001, when he was assembling a remastered package of the album in celebration of its 30th anniversary. He and Collins had become friendly in the intervening decades, so Harrison decided to have a little fun with the Genesis superstar. As an apology for not crediting him on the original release, he sent Collins a version of the song that he claimed featured his lost percussion contributions. “I got a tape from George of the song that I played with the congas quite loud,” Collins told EW. “I thought, Oh, my god, this sounds terrible. In fact, it was a Harrison joke. He’d recorded (percussionist) Ray Cooper. (He said,) ‘Play bad, I’m going to record it and send it to Phil.’ I couldn’t believe that a Beatle had actually spent that much time on a practical joke for me.”
His second experience with one of the Fabs was equally disappointing. In 1970 he was booked to play congas on a session for “The Art of Dying,” to be included on All Things Must Pass. “One night, our managers called me and said, ‘You want to go down to Abbey Road?'” he remembers. “I said, ‘I’m a bit busy, I’ve just had a bath.’ And they said, ‘Well, it’s for George Harrison.’ I went, ‘I’ll get a cab.’ I walked in and there was Ringo Starr, Billy Preston, Phil Spector, Klaus Voorman, Badfinger, (guitarist) Pete Drake, (Beatles road manager) Mal Evans and George. Spector was introduced in this brusque way. He was like, ‘Who is this young guy, thinks he can play with the Beatles?'”
Eager to prove his worth, the 19-year-old attacked the song with brute force during the run-throughs – and soon he had the scars to prove it. By the time the recording began, his hands were raw and he could barely play. “After 90 minutes, I had blood blisters. They took a break, and then Ringo’s chauffeur came and said, ‘You’re finished.'” The sound of congas, if they appear at all, can’t be heard on the final mix. “When All Things Must Pass came out, I looked through the credits and there was no mention of me,” he says.
Harrison himself remained unaware of Collins’ participation until 2001, when he was assembling a remastered package of the album in celebration of its 30th anniversary. He and Collins had become friendly in the intervening decades, so Harrison decided to have a little fun with the Genesis superstar. As an apology for not crediting him on the original release, he sent Collins a version of the song that he claimed featured his lost percussion contributions. “I got a tape from George of the song that I played with the congas quite loud,” Collins told EW. “I thought, Oh, my god, this sounds terrible. In fact, it was a Harrison joke. He’d recorded (percussionist) Ray Cooper. (He said,) ‘Play bad, I’m going to record it and send it to Phil.’ I couldn’t believe that a Beatle had actually spent that much time on a practical joke for me.”
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link
He spends about 40 minutes telling that last story in the more-Partridge-than-Partridge audiobook of his autobiography
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 17:13 (four years ago) link
It's a great joke
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 07:29 (four years ago) link
Can I just say again that I love that there's also a British filmmaker named Phil Collins trying to make very political films, and I'm just never able to take them seriously. His latest, Bring Down the Walls, about the power of house music to fight the prison industrial complex, is again very good indeed.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 09:59 (four years ago) link
Two teenagers listening to Phil Collins for the first time are blown away... I ❤️ this! Phil Collins is a G... a Legend... The Truth! 💯 https://t.co/2kInJTclY7— Cyrus McQueen (@CyrusMMcQueen) August 7, 2020
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:48 (four years ago) link
^ You can guess what's going to happen but it's still a great moment
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Friday, 7 August 2020 12:58 (four years ago) link
that's cute!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 August 2020 13:44 (four years ago) link
early in lockdown i was walking around sadly through pandemic bedstuy and came across a group of oldder dudes smoking tons of weed and blasting the reggae cover of "one more night" from a jeep and it was the most beautiful moment, i had to stop and take it all in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Q_FlTlEoM
some "sad youtube" comments there .. catching a feeling again ... or should i say, phil-ing
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
lol. good stuff
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:53 (four years ago) link
Wait, the Busy Signal, balloon-man?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 August 2020 16:12 (four years ago) link
Great, kids. Now do it with "Don't Lose My Number."
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 August 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
the phil collins teens are my weekend inspiration tbh
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
check their "Jolene" video
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link
I envy those kids getting to hear Phil Collins for the last time for the first time
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
I'm not sure I'll ever understand those reaction videos, but I do find the enthusiasm welcome. I liked the Vegas guys reacting to Rush's "YYZ."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B52bvzudAvQ
They even find a way to compare it to "Beat It."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 August 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link
lol with the drums
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 7 August 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
Wait, /the/ Busy Signal, balloon-man?
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 7 August 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link
It hurts me when reaction channels pause the music.
― jmm, Friday, 7 August 2020 22:31 (four years ago) link
We were just talking last night about how we Gen X'ers just don't get why people watch Twitch.
I think reaction videos fall into the same category. Maybe you need to have grown up with social media to be truly entertained by other people being entertained?
― enochroot, Saturday, 8 August 2020 00:50 (four years ago) link
watching other people play video games is pretty darn relaxing
― avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 August 2020 01:05 (four years ago) link
speedruns are a visceral thing
― brimstead, Saturday, 8 August 2020 01:07 (four years ago) link
I get more insight into the music from Lost in Vegas than I do from a lot of printed music crit.
― magnet of the elk park (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 August 2020 01:42 (four years ago) link
I haven't actually watched this Phil Collins thing, though.
― magnet of the elk park (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 August 2020 01:43 (four years ago) link
he watched some guy let another guy drown
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:01 (four years ago) link
OK, that was definitely more basic but they have heart.
― magnet of the elk park (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link
The kids with Phil Collins are the first good reaction video in history because you have the tension of knowing what's going to happen and waiting for it.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link
pitching a Youtube series of reaction videos to historical world events - teens see the Zapruder film for the first time!
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:39 (four years ago) link
I think reaction videos are more like unboxing videos? I do like watching speed runs and people playing video game, so my anecdotal survey of one, me, implies those are different things, but I can't say why. Maybe it's more like watching a sporting event or something?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 August 2020 02:54 (four years ago) link
how are GenZers so fucking chilled out and comfortable being on camera is what I want to know
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Saturday, 8 August 2020 11:25 (four years ago) link
It's their social life, how they communicate, afaict. Even my kids (for example) seem hyper-attuned to the nuances of presentation/selfies, and the aesthetic approach of various streamers/youtubers.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:17 (four years ago) link
i played Sussudio to some teens and they beat the shit out of me— blaine capatch (@blainecapatch) August 8, 2020
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link