Kanye West

i apologize profusely for ever liking kanye west's music and expressing concern for him at a time when he is, by his own admission, suffering from mental illness

such a horrible horrible thing

I never said he was a great artist or a genius, I said there is “something there” in the music that’s compelling and it’s a shame that the grandiosity has squeezed out other aspects of his personality. The yeezus tour, speech and all, was compelling — back then there was something to admire about his creativity energy and willingness to risk embarrassment, even if the whole thing was ridiculous.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:20 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There are worse things than being ridiculous.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:21 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kanye is ridiculous but that's ok because mental illness? That is you "expressing concern" for him?

we're talking about him = mission succeeded

I heavily suspect this is all a PR stunt, after all he is married to a family that know how to make headlines out of nothing.

Him being an eccentric and him having mental illness are different things. Right now he is not making any sense and seems out of control, which is different in the past, when he had a willingness to embarrass himself in the course of trying new things. Different traits, different phases of his career.

im with treeship, i agree that the megalomania and ridiculousness is compelling, and was a big part of yeezus & tlop obviously. ymmv but it doesn't strike me as any different than rockstars posturing or destroying their gear, the spectacle is fun. artists don't have to be moral leaders

So you're giving him a pass? Because he was "willing to embarrass himself in the course of trying new things"? That's a free hall pass he doesn't deserve imo. Is his slavery denying crap also part of this "different phase"?

Y'know I heart u Treesh but you bring me down, man.

ymmv but it doesn't strike me as any different than rockstars posturing or destroying their gear, the spectacle is fun. artists don't have to be moral leaders

― flappy bird, Monday, October 1, 2018 8:21 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really? "The spectacle is fun"?! Wow...

The confused musician with serious issues, wearing a MAGA hat and a Kaepernik shirt at the same time, ranting about his love for Donald fucking Trump: no problem, the spectacle is fun!

Jfc

US Politics October 2018: The Spectacle Is Fun

LBI, how is different than Silverfuck in 1996? or I Am One during the Siamese Dream tour?

Exactly. I’m not selling kanye 2020 merch and i never use the word “genius.” But there has always been something honest about his music, for all its groanworthy moments, and, even now, this tendency isn’t totally gone. Flawed as “ye” was as a statement i felt like it was very kanye to trust his audience enough to try to talk about his mental illness.

You misunderstood how I meant “ridiculous” bc you assume I believe the highest human aspiration should be to have some grim victorian dignity. Kanye never had that. He never claimed to—on his second album he made self deprecating references to “throwing tantrums” like he is “three years old.”

Clearly with the MAGA stuff he is lost and the vulnerability that’s always been there has a darker, more concerning edge. I feel like that’s regrettable and I hope he can sort it out.

the spectacle i was referring to was the yeezus & tlop arena tours, which Treeship cited as compelling and JCLC asked why. xp

Xp flappt, i didnt think there were other posts bc i am on mobile

I have nothing positive to say about post-MAGA kanye. now even the music fucking sucks

xp u good

And yeah as flappy said i dont find anything fun about what is happening now.

LBI, how is different than Silverfuck in 1996? or I Am One during the Siamese Dream tour?

― flappy bird, Monday, October 1, 2018 8:27 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Uhhhh.... You are beyond kidding me.

the tour merch that had the fuckin stars and bars on it was 2013, dude is the rap version of Boyd Rice doin the "oooh...am I a nazi, or just ~interested in their iconography?" shit

Otm. Which isn't all that interesting.

ymmv but it doesn't strike me as any different than rockstars posturing or destroying their gear, the spectacle is fun. artists don't have to be moral leaders

No, they don't. But when they declare themselves to be moral leaders they're open to criticism as such. And West is attempting to declare himself a moral/philosophical leader - at one point he was planning to turn his tweets into a self-help book, remember? So it's perfectly OK to point out that his political philosophies are bullshit and that he seems like a dude who's genuinely fucked in the head and has no idea how to read a room or really to relate to anyone but himself, in a way that you wouldn't do with, say, Thom Yorke.

“I love it” is a banger

“I love it” is a banger

― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, October 1, 2018 12:01 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol after i heard it i was like "i bet deej will like this"

sorta kanye's ultimate "making a dumb idea way dumber" moment

the clean version is butchery

I’m still laughing about “Yilbert”

/ymmv but it doesn't strike me as any different than rockstars posturing or destroying their gear, the spectacle is fun. artists don't have to be moral leaders/

No, they don't. But when they *declare themselves to be moral leaders* they're open to criticism as such. And West is attempting to declare himself a moral/philosophical leader - at one point he was planning to turn his tweets into a self-help book, remember? So it's perfectly OK to point out that his political philosophies are bullshit and that he seems like a dude who's genuinely fucked in the head and has no idea how to read a room or really to relate to anyone but himself, in a way that you wouldn't do with, say, Thom Yorke.

maybe you should wonder why you're giving a pass to/supporting tinfoil hat right-wing conspiracy theorist jerk narcissists

esp when it's right there front and center in their work

I'm really looking forward the meeting of Kanye West and Jordan Peterson. That's a collision bound to happen.

I never defended Corgan or Kanye's right wing rants, Shakey. I defended delusional narcissism in service of great rock spectacle. Kanye wasn't right wing in 2014, and Corgan was completely apolitical until like 6 years ago. like I said YMMV with that kind of energy from a performer!

it's true, I have no use for dragon energy

yes. we both know that. we know that I like it. I ain't right wing tho!

although I do have two wings...

what other delusional narcissists do you find fascinating

That's a good question...

I'm actually looking at my records & books & movies and drawing a blank. Lots of one or the other but not both. PKD maybe.

I don’t understand what condemning kanye will accomplish.

he's one of the most famous musicians alive and he's supporting Trump with very little information or understanding or context. he should stop. being pissed at him might work

Maybe. Seems like he has become more of a joke than a dangerous pro trump voice.

PKD was def delusional but I don't think he was a narcissist

fwiw

I dont think kanye is a narcissist

who caress?

cares too

He seems really contrite whenever he is confronted eith the fact that his outbursts hurt someone else. By all reports he truly loves his family even though most of us see kim kardashian as some kind of human metaphor; her getting robbed precipitated his breakdown last year. I think he’s a guy with manic tendencies that in the past fueled creative work but have now taken him to a dark place and i just can’t look at this and shrug him off as an oportunist. For one the antics don’t seem to be helping his brand.

PKD is the only one that made me stop and think about it. even with the Exegesis & info from the few bios I've read, still don't really think so.

Kanye is wielding his dragon energy irresponsibly

I care to the extent that he has made music i connecred with at an impressionable age. Don’t like seeing him all incoherent and making himself a pariah. Of the things that i care about, it’s number 10,000 or something but it’s the thread topic.

We should lock the thread tho bc i am no longer enjoying sharing unpopular opinions

Him being an eccentric and him having mental illness are different things.

are they? these seem to be the dots you are failing to connect

I think it’s tough with bipolar bc mania is known to fuel creative work but it is a double edged sword. I don’t have bioolar so i can’t speak that eloquently about it. Also I am graduating from this thread.