Kanye West

i'm obviously no friend to constitutional originalism

i was just saying that kanye wasn't advocating we bring slavery back

yet when he endorses Trump that's what he's doing

fair enough

with the 13th amendment i think he clarified and said it was the exclusion clause he wanted to get rid of. he doesn't think prisoners should be used as forced labor.

Did he say more (in addition to the original comment where he explicitly called for the abolition of the amendment) than this?:

the 13th Amendment is slavery in disguise meaning it never ended We are the solution that heals

not abolish but. let’s amend the 13th amendment We apply everyone’s opinions to our platform

i felt like it was implied in the first tweet when he said "We will provide jobs for all who are free from prisons as we abolish the 13th amendment. Message sent with love.” He unites the idea of abolishing the 13th amendment with something to do with freeing prisoners and giving them jobs. and then said that the way the 13th amendment is, it is "slavery in disguise," which made me think that he was talking about how the 13th amendment currently doesn't cover prisoners, who are often made to work for way under minimum wage.

admittedly, i'm filling in some gaps here, but i think that's what he was saying.

that is what he's saying, but he's also taken by a grifter who flatters his own grandiose sensibilities and makes time for him in a way that obama did not.

oh for sure

i mean it's a dumb comparison but if u remember the movie hook, kanye is peter's son, obama is peter pan, and hook is trump.

like fuck you dad, evil man believes in my baseball dreams and all you wanna do is work/not let me in your cool magic group.

he was incredible during the yeezus tour. didn't stop for over two hours.

pfft, stevie wonder plays three hours straight and he's in his 60s.

yeah but kanye kept jumping up and down on this mountain. and then he stopped for a half hour and lectured us about how he designed the mountain. "this shit is, like, well thought out."

Yeah, two hours? Um. Macca does 3, and he's 100.

yeah but kanye kept jumping up and down on this mountain. and then he stopped for a half hour and lectured us about how he designed the mountain. "this shit is, like, well thought out."

― Trϵϵship, Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:04 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so kanye does really disorganized ted talks

i don't think you realize how much he was running and jumping around and there wasn't anyone on the stage with him.

sign me the fuck up

also, yeah, kanye wants to be a thought leader but he is too scattered to do a real ted talk. however, he's a champion so he turns tragedy to triumph, makes music that's fire, spits his soul through the wire.

this isn't even making fun of him. i connected with the college dropout when i was in high school and got C's in math and spanish. being a nuanced thinker was never really the point with him, i'm sure he'd be the first to tell you.

i wish his life went a different way. the braggadocio at first seemed like kind of a heroic response to deep insecurity and i loved how, compared to other rappers, he never really attacked other people to build himself up. at a certain point, though, believing in yourself isn't enough... this is in the music too, i feel, but there does seem to be a lot of magical thinking in his public statements. like, all compromise is weakness; the MAGA hat can just mean what he wants it to mean.

there is definitely something there in the music that people respond to that goes beyond just his skill as a producer. doesn't excuse his support of trump. the whole thing is just a bummer.

there is an explanation: he doesn't read/watch the news and is totally isolated surrounded by sycophants identifying with Trump, another raging delusional narcissist that ascended to power in spite/because of it. it was linked in the other thread, but one of the people that worked with him recently said he didn't know about ICE or anything that was happening at the border. I know what you mean Treeship, it is a bummer.

He’s a producer first and a rapper second. Most of his lyrics are ghostwritten.

This is to say, I wish he was trying to be more disruptive and out-there with his productions instead of trying to do it with his words. He’s bad at the latter and he could be brilliant at the former.

At least get one of his ghostwriters to help him writing those insane speeches. I’m sure a good writer could’ve organized and phrased the whole ”slavery was a choice” fuck-up into something perhaps meaningful and interesting. Something something about how when your mind is free your body can never truly be enslaved or some other fighting words mumbo jumbo that could sound inspiring instead of troublesome.

Mad genius Kanye isolated from the world at his studio in one of his mansions or on a ranch in the middle of nowhere with a laptop creating albums that alienate his fanbase is a better look than Crazy Kanye isolated from the world wants to express his take of what the country should because he half-read a conservative thinkpiece while getting high in one of his mansions, and procedes to make uninformed statements on twitter that alienates his fanbase.

Ironically this is the year he has released the most music but most of it feels half-cooked ideas. He’s not into doing the thing he’s actually good at and seems to prefer the attention from making tunnelvision comments. By the current standards he’d make a good president.

At any rate what a waste.

https://pitchfork.com/news/lana-del-ray-confronts-kanye-over-trump-support/

then he stopped for a half hour and lectured us about how he designed the mountain. "this shit is, like, well thought out."

why is that good?

Had a laugh at local anchor Rhonda Walker following a report his name change this morning with "maybe we should start calling him Perri-ye"

The Kanye album finally dropped! I guess he changed the title and cover at the last minute pic.twitter.com/To7WQih11V

— pixelated (something halloween-related) (@pixelatedboat) September 30, 2018

then he stopped for a half hour and lectured us about how he designed the mountain. "this shit is, like, well thought out."

Ah, the rambling mid-concert diatribe: the mark of the truly great artist.

I never said he was a great artist or a genius, I said there is “something there” in the music that’s compelling and it’s a shame that the grandiosity has squeezed out other aspects of his personality. The yeezus tour, speech and all, was compelling — back then there was something to admire about his creativity energy and willingness to risk embarrassment, even if the whole thing was ridiculous.

There are worse things than being ridiculous.

Embracing right wong talking points about how democrats are the real racists is an example of a worse thing.

100% agree.
If anything, my appetite is always for more ridiculousness in art. Or, rather, what might be perceived as ridiculousness by folks who get upset when something changes.
Also, the Life of Pablo tour was probably the best arena show I've ever seen. There's def something incredibly special there at times.

Fuck all the right wing bullshit and historically misinformed ignorance though.

Honestly, West's transformation into a clownish MAGA provocateur is just funny to me. I used to be baffled by his music, because I never liked any of it and couldn't figure out why anybody else did. And sometimes he was actively annoying. Like, to pick one petty example, calling his album My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy really bugged me, because those adjectives are things you wait for someone else to use to describe your work. Calling something you have created "dark" and "twisted" is adolescent try-hard bullshit; it's one step short of posting a picture of yourself wearing the makeup from The Crow. But whatever. He's getting older, he's running out of ideas...this is how it goes. Rap is cruel to the elderly.

I never liked any of it and couldn't figure out why anybody else did

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From the guy who brought you "Buy any jeans necessary"...

Had a laugh at local anchor Rhonda Walker following a report his name change this morning with "maybe we should start calling him Perri-ye"

― BrianB, Monday, October 1, 2018 10:09 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmfao Rhonda!

I never said he was a great artist or a genius, I said there is “something there”

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:20 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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Jerry otm

i apologize profusely for ever liking kanye west's music and expressing concern for him at a time when he is, by his own admission, suffering from mental illness

such a horrible horrible thing

I never said he was a great artist or a genius, I said there is “something there” in the music that’s compelling and it’s a shame that the grandiosity has squeezed out other aspects of his personality. The yeezus tour, speech and all, was compelling — back then there was something to admire about his creativity energy and willingness to risk embarrassment, even if the whole thing was ridiculous.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:20 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There are worse things than being ridiculous.

― Trϵϵship, Monday, October 1, 2018 5:21 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kanye is ridiculous but that's ok because mental illness? That is you "expressing concern" for him?

we're talking about him = mission succeeded

I heavily suspect this is all a PR stunt, after all he is married to a family that know how to make headlines out of nothing.

Him being an eccentric and him having mental illness are different things. Right now he is not making any sense and seems out of control, which is different in the past, when he had a willingness to embarrass himself in the course of trying new things. Different traits, different phases of his career.

im with treeship, i agree that the megalomania and ridiculousness is compelling, and was a big part of yeezus & tlop obviously. ymmv but it doesn't strike me as any different than rockstars posturing or destroying their gear, the spectacle is fun. artists don't have to be moral leaders

So you're giving him a pass? Because he was "willing to embarrass himself in the course of trying new things"? That's a free hall pass he doesn't deserve imo. Is his slavery denying crap also part of this "different phase"?

Y'know I heart u Treesh but you bring me down, man.

ymmv but it doesn't strike me as any different than rockstars posturing or destroying their gear, the spectacle is fun. artists don't have to be moral leaders

― flappy bird, Monday, October 1, 2018 8:21 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Really? "The spectacle is fun"?! Wow...

The confused musician with serious issues, wearing a MAGA hat and a Kaepernik shirt at the same time, ranting about his love for Donald fucking Trump: no problem, the spectacle is fun!

Jfc

US Politics October 2018: The Spectacle Is Fun