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I think the thing with vinyl and with tapes is that the distortion and lack of clarity are part of the sound, sometimes cleaning up a recording means removing something that worked, whether the artist or producer intended it or not (the reverse is often the case too of course) and that is a creative decision on a case by case basis, you can't say "it's always bad" or "it's always good."

*especially with Normal bias (type i) tapes, which most people seem to be using

of course, you can't monitor each/every dub, for a run of tapes.. but at least do it once, to set a general level just high enough so there won't be distortion / clipping, unless you wanted that effect. I have a Silver Jews 'Early Times' cassette from Drag City, and they did it right. 'Early Time's is sort of a meta- example, though

I'm looking forward to this: https://deadoceans.com/news/ryley-walker-announces-the-lillywhite-sessions/

Because I think DMB has a lot of material that most people would like if it weren't being delivered by DMB.

oh i am super hyped for that surprise

the "surf's up" album would've been better than "pet sounds" if it had been all wilson songs

most cds sound better than most vinyl

Pet Sounds is overrated (we’ve had this discussion here)

(Beach Boys are great but Pet Sounds a flawed “go-to” album)

i agree with that

50s rock and roll all sounds thes ame

^this is kind of true, but it sounds gr8

Pet Sounds is overrated (we’ve had this discussion here)

This is not even remotely controversial.

The fact that Pet Sounds is the only especially celebrated BB album by the world at large (plus Smile if it counts) is completely absurd, when their run from Today to Holland is about as great as they come

THE RISE OF ALL CAPS IN TRACKS TITLES AND OTHER LANGUAGE IN MUSIC IS MOSTLY GOOD

Beach Boys' Party! is a neglected masterpiece

A rarified few believe that All Summer Long is where they hit their stride.

pet sounds is their only consistently good album. the rest go off on weird, creepy, or just plain shit detours, and thus the rest of their albums are hard to recommend to an album-focused listener unless they're already a dyed-in-the-wool fan.

I think Beach Boys are well served by a Greatest Hits comp. I know there's a stack of them, but the 2003 Sounds of Summer compilation is probably the thing of theirs that I listen to the most.

the rest go off on weird, creepy, or just plain shit detours

also true of every post-Help Beatles album tbf

This is not even remotely controversial.

It was fairly controversial on that other thread! (Think it was something like, “Artists you’ve never been able to get into, despite trying multiple times.”)

agreed re: bjork, also her songs are unlistenable

― crüt, Saturday, September 8, 2018 9:18 AM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my brother

Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends, 20/20, Sunflower and Surf's Up are all extremely enjoyable albums with, at worst, one or two subpar tracks that I don't think would seriously ruin anyone's overall enjoyment of them. I'm sure even casual BB fans have listened to and enjoyed other albs that aren't flawless from soup to nuts and besides, weird/creepy is a pretty essential part of the overall BB aesthetic imho.

2000s and on Bjork voice is pretty off-putting yeah

Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends, 20/20, Sunflower and Surf's Up are all extremely enjoyable albums with, at worst, one or two subpar tracks

this is overly generous to Smiley Smile but agree about the others. Friends is super-short and every song is great, for ex.

most cds sound better than most vinyl

agreed.

also, compact disc is the most enjoyable musical format overall

xp lol i'm a big fan of Friends, but calling "Transcendental Meditation" great is a strech imo

it'll get you feelin grand maaaan

There are definitely no dud tracks on "Smiley Smile", that's for sure.

never forget

LOL, classic ILM.

I consider those threads my crowning achievement as an ILM poll starter

lol good stuff, in general i think more worst tracks threads would be good tbh

few acts' output span the dizzying highs and appalling lows of the Beach Boys tho

On the Corner >>>>>>>>>>> any Can album

Not controversial imho.

Any Can album >>>>>>>>>>> On the Corner

... maybe not, but "On the Corner" is hideously overrated.

On the Corner >>>>>>>>>>> any Can album

― flappy bird, Tuesday, September 25, 2018 6:16 PM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not controversial, just silly. Different ballgames, man.

A lot of Miles from that period does sound like Can, and vice versa, so it's not a different ballgame by any means.

yeah there's a lot of similar techniques involved - extended ng groove-based improvisations, aggressive editing and electronic processing, incorporation of non-Western instrumentation

Different strokes I guess. Similar techniques may be involved. MD and Can come from such different cores towards a somewhat similar sound at one point in time, but I cannot 'forget' the traveled trajectory, or their make-up, which is so vastly different. I can see why one sees it as the same ballgame - I might even be jealous of people seeing it that way, for I cannot.

Stockhausen is another link.

That's a very good call.

the Prince hagiography is getting to be a bit much

if anything it's not enough

That ain't Lake Minnetonka!

the thing with Prince is, it's really not hyperbole to point out how comprehensive and sui generis he was. There's literally no one else that's ever had his combo of skills and hit-making ability. At least not that I can think of ie., virtuoso multi-instrumentalists/producers with a sustained string of classic (and popular) albums over the course of a decade.

Joni comes (kind of) close, although I've never thought she was all that incredible a pianist/synth player

also couldn't play drums afaik