― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link
You're being presumptious, as always. You have no idea how/why I appreciate the bands I like. But speak ill of them or make ludicrous claims about them and you're likely to get me firing back.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago) link
That's a very strange distinction to draw.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link
That I'd be curious to hear.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link
Smashmouth's lyrical oeuvre does NOT stand up to XTC by a fuckin' country mile.
Smashmouth's bass player couldn't keep up with Colin Moulding's bass playing if his very life depended on it.
Smashmouth are all tiki drinks with paper umbrellas and hawaiian shirts and Vans. Nothing more.
And YES, I'm referring to the first few albums, Anthony, not Skylarking or even Black Sea. I take it you mean White Music through Drums & Wires.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link
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― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link
― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago) link
Andy Partidge == Robert Smith without the weepy gothishnessSmash Mouth Guy == Frank Black with a tan and a tequila
(I tried to build some kind of comparison between Smash Mouth Guy and Andrew Elridge, but I fear that if I had succeeded in crafting a comparison that worked, the entire universe would collapse in on itself and we'd all be killed.)
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link
and i have no doubt that smashmouth would've loved to have written any of 100 or so xtc songs.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link
this is the one point I'd seriously debate (I'll concede that XTC were perhaps flashier musicians, but it's a compliment to XTC that I'd never think to laud them for Rush-like qualities) and I brought up the vocal difference before anyone else.
I think Andy Partridge would look at the lyrical puns and subject shifts within tracks like "All Star" and "Walking On The Sun" and be very impressed. The second verse of "All Star" is a hysterical example of intentional self-contradiction:
It's a cool place, and they say it gets colder You're bundled up now, wait till you get older But the media men beg to differ Judging by the hole in the satellite picture The ice we skate is gettin pretty thin The water's gettin warm so you might as well swim My world's on fire, how about yours? Cuz that's the way i like it and i never get bored
A lot of Smashmouth's tracks are cynical in the same manner as XTC, ESPECIALLY "Walking On The Sun," which I consider their most XTC like track. I doubt any of you have actually paid attention to the lyrics of a Smashmouth song, so I don't know why you're claiming to know if they have any value.
Dominique, there's LOTS of secret intelligence bubbling forth underneath Smashmouth's Shrek-sellage. The lyrics of "Walking On The Sun" (which I didn't even notice back when the video was all over) are railings demanding responsibility and a lack of political apathy. Andy P would SO approve.
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:18 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link
Style does not always equate with technical chops. Being a great musician, I think, doesn't necessarily mean you are the most technically versed player.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
― OAH SEA BICH, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:32 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:34 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:35 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
― big chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
XTC totally WANTED to be popular. Partridge admits to being pissed and jealous when Moulding's songs started being hit singles with Drums And Wires. When they saw the work was too hard they went headlong into cult world.
Smashmouth were also witty little hoppy cynics, they just wanted to get PAID more than they wanted to be respectable. Again, OC.
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago) link
― big chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:45 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Dominique (dleone), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link