Smashing Pumpkins: Fresh Fruit or Rotten Veg?

lmao Malkmus: "I'm into Zwan. Zwan was good."

thanks for sharing that Brad, listening now.

internet agrees that stephen malkmus and rosemarie dewitt are the same person

zwan WAS good!

yes they were

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDVbkFRVTh8

I never understood the "Range Life" diss (good song, btw). What's a "nature kid" and does he say "uh, they don't have no function" or "I/they don't have no function"? The former makes sense but the latter doesn't (because no way is SM being self-effacing). Either way the verse isn't very funny so I never understood why the band said they couldn't stop laughing when SM sang the lyrics the first time...must have been a pretty dull session if that'll make you lose your lunch.

At any rate, D'arcy must have made quite an impression on SM!

It's "I/They don't have no function." He's playing a character but it's semi-autobiographical - he is being self-effacing but I think the dis is sincere, too - admitting he's out of touch with the rock mainstream and at the same time saying that if these chumps are the rock mainstream in 1994, why would I want to be in touch? Also trolling Corgan's ego, which obviously worked. (N.B. I was 12 in the 90s and love all three bands, but I get where Malkmus is coming from here. And Corgan deserves to be trolled endlessly for the remainder of his public life.) "Nature kids" I've always thought of as filler words.

Has anyone ever noticed or commented on the Stone Temple Pilots line that comes next in the song?

At any rate, D'arcy must have made quite an impression on SM!

Well he was vaguely comparing her absence to Lindsey Buckingham's in Fleetwood Mac...

What I mean to say is that if his main objection to a so-called Pumpkins reunion with Billy, James, and Jimmy is that D'arcy is not around, then he must have a hugely favorable opinion of whatever she contributed to that band.

Btw I always liked the funny Scott Weiland impression after the STP line.

Keep in mind that Billy hit Pavement hard when they reunited in 2010: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/nov/16/billy-corgan-pavement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czpVjVL1wM

apparently they streamed their seattle show last month on twitter in case anyone wants to live/relive this show

i skipped right to "porcelina" and damn

yeah actually i recommend anyone who likes this band do what i just did

same

and yeah when that video went up I did the same thing. Porcelina was the highlight of the show for me.

they sound really really great

shame Corgan said that Australian promoters aren't interested in bringing the tour here

Just saw my first Zero shirt out in the wild in years .

Weird, I saw similar the other day.

James is looking sufficiently embarrassed during the Mark McGrath portion of the "Silvery Sometimes" video. As he should!

that video is very dumb but also still pretty fun, glad billy gives a shit again

“silvery sometimes” is the sp song i wanted after “untitled”

it's a really good song. definitely get early 00s vibes (maybe it's just that "we're in the middle" hook)

I'm not sure Corgan could ever be accused of "not giving a shit" when it comes to his music - if anything he has the opposite problem: he gives too much of a shit. Even in the periods considered to be his worst, I'm sure he was doing what he felt was his best at the time.

one minute clip of "Wound" alt-take / instrumental

#Machina pic.twitter.com/oGU4NSwL8t

— Smashing Pumpkins (@SmashingPumpkin) October 29, 2018

I'm not sure Corgan could ever be accused of "not giving a shit" when it comes to his music

glad you're back, i was talking about his music videos

if you could avoid ever referring to one of my posts again that'd be great thanks

That "Snail" performance with Chino Moreno is cool.

just realized yesterday that the end of "Window Paine" is a direct reference/rip/reprise of "Rumble" by Link Wray. just two chords - D to E - but the strumming pattern and Jimmy's drumming make the reference explicit.

My neighbors are always blaring Rush through the walls and I swear there's a part in one of their songs that's almost the exact same as the end of Window Paine.

Man, I love your neighbors. Now I have to dial up Window Paine and see if I can solve this mystery.

Reminds me a bit of certain passages toward the end of 2112

Yeah, there's definitely a Rush track that it reminds me of, but I can't think of what it is. Great to see Brad being his usual charming self, too!

if you could avoid ever referring to one of my posts again that'd be great thanks

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 30, 2018 11:39 AM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also don't misgender me you shithead

Okay, then just pretend that I wrote "their" instead of "his", since I ain't psychic. Still FP'd you anyway for calling me a shithead, trying to start an argument and generally being aggressive. I think you need to calm down.

i asked you not to address me and you persist in doing it!!!

Okay, then just pretend that I wrote "their" instead of "his", since I ain't psychic.

fuck you for this btw

Brad, since coming back I've been posting sporodically and without incident until this sudden and to be honest totally unwarranted bout of aggression from you. Again, calm down, because you're acting like a twat.

feel like turrican should've been banned longer, perhaps forever

Okay well, I'm going to get on with talking about music and I'll leave you to talk about me and Brad to yell at whatever cloud he doesn't like the look of today.

you misgendered me again

Ah, sorry, that wasn't intentional.

*they

(I wish there was an "edit post" function on this thing)

new song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O80Kwt4zcxs

can't think of a precedent in their catalogue for this tbh! maybe some of the Teargarden singles? oh boy...

lmfao at Billy's "woah oh oh whoaa whoaa whoaaaaa" vocal being put thru a Leslie

this reminds me of ELO and Magnolia Electric Co. (!!)

Talking about Teargarden - I know that he's pretty much given up on it and junked an entire recorded albums worth of stuff in favour of his solo LP and the "reformed" Pumpkins, but it's such a shame that he hasn't seen it through to completion. As much as I didn't rate it on the whole, there were still a couple of things I liked on Monuments... and the pre-Oceania standalone singles.

I'd love to hear what that canned Monuments... follow-up sounded like. A Zwan box would be the ultimate, though!

in 2009 (lol), he said Teargarden would be 44 songs documenting "the Fool's Journey," which I always thought he followed through on, perhaps unintentionally: if you add up Monuments, Oceania, and the singles, you get about 44 songs, and as far as documenting "the Fool's Journey" - well, Billy definitely followed through on that one.

One track from the scrapped Monuments followup (Day for Night) was used as an instrumental intro to some wrestling show. "Roustabout":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTG0gMkdNs

Also keep in mind that "Solara" is a Monuments/DFN holdover - he wrote about it quite a bit when he was doing that SP Nexus blog in 2014.

wasn't "the spaniards" also supposed to be on day for night

if you add up Monuments, Oceania, and the singles, you get about 44 songs

34 by my count, so I guess Day for Night was supposed to be 10 tracks?

yes and yes

So, he was >< this close to finishing the thing and chose not to! Weird.