I'm not judging, I'm acknowledging a reality.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:19 (five years ago) link
I’m not saying everyone has to be some Steve Hoffman dork wiping the static from their VG+ Van Der Graff Generator vinyl, I’m saying, like jump the tiniest hurdle to hear one of the most acclaimed art-rockers there ever was
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:20 (five years ago) link
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link
Keep that dream alive, Chris.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:24 (five years ago) link
https://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/023/397/C-658VsXoAo3ovC.jpg
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link
It could also mean that this Pitchfork group is unaware of Peter Gabriel or gives even less of a shit about Peter Gabriel than the previous group.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
great thread
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
I mean I have my problems with P4k but I’d like to believe they haven’t replaced Mark Richardson with a gaggle of kids dependent on a single tech company for their understanding of music
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:26 (five years ago) link
Also Peter Gabriel did the Wall E song
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:27 (five years ago) link
this thread is cranky dad mania
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:28 (five years ago) link
did Weird Al make anyone's ballot?
― billstevejim, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:29 (five years ago) link
let's be honest, who are these ppl that are reading Pfork and exploring older decades of music for the very first time? That seems like two mutually exclusive sets to me.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:50 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
these lists don't serve any purpose apart from harvesting clicks from old music nerds
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, September 11, 2018 11:51 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i pored over the old 70s and 80s lists as a teen
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
I have seen Wall E a bunch and the only songs I remember are from Hello Dolly.
― how's life, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
'from a specifically UK/US viewpoint' is a limitation that I don't really know how these lists can be expected to get around unfortunately, as the token non-Western albums that do make these lists are always going to be ones that managed to cross over in some sort of way. it's certainly desirable to expand it as much as possible of course
― ufo, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link
I was too old for the older Pitchfork lists to influence me, but it impressed me when Low topped the '70s list -- and depressed me. My secret was out.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
Peter Gabriel is a household name among millenials.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
yeah he sings for TV on the Radio, right?
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
not to be ableist but the way that 95% of the reaction on ilm of all places is ‘x album placed but y didn’t??!’ is bad
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
the Omission Noticer has logged on
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link
I absolutely poured through lists like this growing up, and learned about all sorts of music from them (as I probably will from this one as well, when I read the entries). However, I also think lists like these are inherently dishonest. On one hand, they present themselves as canon; why else would you rank the entries? (Almost typed wank the entries.) On the other, they are also meant to be provocative and inspire debate, which belies the idea of the canon. There's also a matter of the selections, which are probably not, as they say, natural selections, unless you believe every voter there is equally well versed in free jazz, pop, hip-hop, reggae, punk/indie and whatever other '80s genre (including those not represented, which is sort of a negative vote) and these are just the albums that popped up. My guess is by necessity the list has been massaged, because it has to be. Doesn't make it any less valuable! Again, even the omissions and weird inclusions are valuable, in a way.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
for what it's worth, a) peter gabriel is all over youtube and so is virtually anyone else with a chance to hear these lists, but b) as one of the few people who actually did get into peter gabriel at age 16 or so -- via melt, actually -- even then I got the sense that it was considered embarrassing in retrospect, and if I had first heard him via "sledgehammer" or "solsbury hill" (neither of which I like, the former of which I think is actively embarrassing and the latter of which is wallpaper) I never would have
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:40 (five years ago) link
s/hear/make
Embarrassing? That's ... not generally a word I've ever heard to describe PG. Interesting.
That said, the list's omission of Weird Al is unforgivable.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
have you ever read the lyrics to sledgehammer, they're... not good
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:44 (five years ago) link
Dare to Be Stupid is a solid album. xp
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
The viral Shining movie trailer def helped tarnish ‘Solisbury Hill’
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
xpost Most lyrics are not good! At least that one is intentionally goofy.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:45 (five years ago) link
Agree Solisbury was hurt by Shining.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
I thought the terror of Tom Cruise hugging Penelope Cruz did that to "Solsbury Hill."
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:46 (five years ago) link
Peter Gabriel was, ahem, my gateway to a thousand churches.
Including Kate Bush.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
I don't know about "hurting" it but this is kind of what I meant by wallpaper -- it's been used for so much that it barely registers as a song that can be good anymore. kind of like "All Star" (to take a very different thing)
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link
xp -- it was the opposite way for me, around the same time I got into Kate Bush I naturally heard "Don't Give Up" and "Games Without Frontiers." but then again, even those are tracks that are a bit too earnest and utterly irony-free in a way I can easily see not registering for others
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link
They should learn to be a bit more earnest, those songs are awesome, fuck irony.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:51 (five years ago) link
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNjQxOTFmNmItMDk1Ni00NTk3LTk0N2MtNmU4OGE5NDIzYjJmXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTQxNzMzNDI@._V1_.jpg
^'80s
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:52 (five years ago) link
xp -- I actually do like both of these songs, but I don't necessarily expect anyone else to
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:54 (five years ago) link
I really hope Games Without Frontiers will be helped once The Americans becomes a cultural touchstone, but I might be wrong on several levels there.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link
7/4 groove in "Solsbury Hill" is all-time.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
seems very idiosyncratic these days - like i dont think young people even here in australia care about midnight oil anymore
Ha, "Beds Are Burning" went to #1 in Canada when I was 9 and is permanently burned into my memory.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:13 (five years ago) link
it's kinda funny how looking through this list it has so little to do with so much of the actual music that was *everywhere* in the 80sno AOR/MOR like REO, Air Supply, Rick Springfield, Styx, Bonnie Tyler, Bryan Adams, John Cougar Mellencampm, Christopher Cross, Foreignerno hair metal Warrant, Ratt, Def Leppard, Cinderella, Quiet Riot, Whitesnake etcetc even Van Halen (unless I missed 1984)no new wave one/two hits like Cutting Crew, Fixx, Kim Wilde, Simple Minds, Wang Chung, Men at Workno Eliminator by ZZ Top, no thrash except Metallicano Police Synchronicityno Dire Straits Brothers in Armsnone of the huge soundtracks that were so dominant like Top Gun, Footloose, Dirty Dancing, Pretty in Pink, Flashdanceno boomer comeback stuff like Henley, Raitt, Heart, Boston, Aerosmith, Genesis/Collinsno pop/R&B (except Madonna, Whitney) stuff like Paula Abdul, Bobby Brown, Bananarama
thanks for reminding me how most of the omnipresent music of my youth was horrible!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:24 (five years ago) link
xp way up thread to Whiney g -- Nurse With Wound and Psychic TV are way less "problematic" (esp. re call-out culture ) than Swans, Faith No More, etc. The latter camp is way more "bro-y"
― sarahell, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:26 (five years ago) link
the fuck did Faith No More do?
― how's life, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:31 (five years ago) link
Mike Patton is kinda crepey and a bit, uh, i can't keep track of who has been called out anymore. But FNM is def on the bro-down side of alt-music
― sarahell, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:32 (five years ago) link
I went to the first YouTube hit to see what the kids thoughts of "Games Without Frontiers" and here you go:
Peter Gabriel is a brony. I just know it.
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:33 (five years ago) link
Most of it is stuff I heard from friends, though I do remember him touching my friend's butt at a Death Grips show about 5 yrs ago
― sarahell, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:34 (five years ago) link
(that was about Patton, not Peter Gabriel) sorry xp
It's interesting to me how relatively low Born in the U.S.A. places (#56) -- considering that it's an example of an album that was both hugely popular / "era-defining," as well as a (deserved) critical success.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:44 (five years ago) link
Can we go back to talking about the greatness of Rudimentary Peni
― sarahell, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
― flopson, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 16:34 (fifty-nine minutes ago) Permalink
lol flopson
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 September 2018 17:52 (five years ago) link
They were no Crass imo.
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 September 2018 18:11 (five years ago) link