pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

I gotta have a laugh Pitchfork has dumped John Zorn, Faith No More, Dead Kennedys & Swans to the dustbin of W H O A S O E D G Y /mu/Reddit/RYM dork trash in favor of ... Nurse With Wound and Psychic TV

― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten)

ah come on nww is hardly 4chan edgelord shit, not when there's dozens of fucking whitehouse tapes and all that other power electronics bullshit

as for "RYM dork trash" it's mostly, uh, Arvo Pärt

anyway a decent list. keeping in mind its inherent biases, which mean that something like matia bazar's "aristocratica" is never going to show up, the one album i'd say should be up there is "keep on doing" by the roches.

never too much is front-to-back classic

I've been getting into it recently -- so good!

re: Roches, every hint of a revival seems to stop short at "Hammond Song" but yeah, bring on the Nurds and Speak love too

somehow I expected to see Trans and Who's Zoomin' Who on the list

Is El Dorado or Freedom on the list? If not, no.

Freedom prolly should be. Galvanizing record on several fronts.

They sound primitive to me in the way that listening to Jerry Lee Lewis or Little Richard does compared to most 'rock' music created since.

This was an interesting comment to me as I struggle with this as well.
But Little Richard sounds revelatory to me these days, whereas Run-DMC sounds dated at best, and I wonder if it's because I don't hear as much of it's influence as Little Richard.

No Invisible Touch? No New Pop? No Motley Crue, Queensryche, or Poison? Come on, Pitchfork. They can’t all be indier-than-thou critic’s faves. Live a little.

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alaska y dinarama's "deseo carnal" also belongs on any list of great '80s records, but again, not in english so is unlikely to show up on these sorts of lists

The new list is obv. so much better.

The one odd note in the top 25 for me is Disintegration jumping from 38 to 9 - that doesn't seem like an album that 2018 pfork would be primed to appreciate substantially more than 2002 pfork.

xpost, Never Too Much is definitely Luther's masterpiece for me too. Every song is perfect. Busy Body is probably in second place, mainly due to how awesome I'll Let It Slide is. As Alfred said, he had a great run in those five years or so.

An R&B album I would have liked to see in there (although I didn't expect it unlike some of the other omissions) is Word Up by Cameo. Like Never Too Much it's one of those albums where every song is a winner. I'm sick of that album being so underrated.

evelyn "champagne" king get loose another one that doesn't quit

just listing records i voted for at this point

xposts the Disintegration jump was surprising yeah and Word Up definitely should have made it

it's disappointing that Power Corruption & Lies is still the canon New Order album over Technique

evelyn "champagne" king get loose another one that doesn't quit

^^^^^ forever

By the time they do this again this and In A Special Way and Never Too Much and I Feel For You and Portrait (or Padlock) will all be on there I suspect.

it's disappointing that Power Corruption & Lies is still the canon New Order album over Technique

― ufo

I feel like Low-Life was the canon pick at one point? I'd put that and Technique ahead of Power, Corruption & Lies (as good as it is).

That SY's Sister didn't place boggles my mind. I would understand a group of people not liking Sonic Youth altogether, but how would they rate Daydream Nation and EVOL so highly but not Sister? How does it happen?

There's probably a good argument to be made that throwing a third placing to Sister would be redundant when there's only 200 places to go round. I can't remember any artists polling 3 places apart from Prince and Madonna.

Just looking at the 2002 list again, it looks like XTC are one of the bands who have fallen out of favour the most. Skylarking is one of the biggest drops (from 13 to 133!) and unless I missed them, English Settlement and The Dukes Of Stratosphere album have disappeared.

and I assumed XTC had gotten more not less canonical with the greater availability of their catalog since 2002.

Not surprised that English Settlement dropped off, but disappointed Black Sea didn't take its place

There's probably a good argument to be made that throwing a third placing to Sister would be redundant when there's only 200 places to go round. I can't remember any artists polling 3 places apart from Prince and Madonna.

― Tim F, Monday, September 10, 2018 10:04 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bruce also had 3 iirc. All deserved, same for Prince... and Madonna I suppose (I don't know her beyond the singles!).

I think you are right about the redundancy. But also it's a best album of the decade list with an actual numerical order, so it's a load of crock to suggest both there is 200 albums better than Sister but EVOL and Daydream Nation rank highly; Sister missing sounds so deliberate. I just think the list is maybe not the best exercise to say 'here are a whole bunch of 80s record we think are amazing we want to share them with you'.

I'd thought Sister was solidly the canonical second-best Sonic Youth album too

Like A Virgin getting in over True Blue is really odd too

Yeah, esp. since the five hit singles from True Blue >>> the four/five hit singles from Like a Virgin.

Perhaps another example of an album ("Virgin") that had a bigger cultural impact (sorry) despite being inferior?

(to its successor)

I'd thought Sister was solidly the canonical second-best Sonic Youth album too

I thought this too, but I think I thought so cause it placed so highly in the original P4K 80s list

I don't know about publications but among fans it's clearly 1b after Daydream Nation being 1a.

I dreamed of Thatcher, the milk snatcher, and woke up just now with the curdling realization that A.R. Kane was left out again. If ever there was a band whose time has come a thousand times over.

Re 2002 vs 2018 above, ZERO female artists in the top 25 from 2002. Best they could manage were Pixies and MBV with some female lead vocals. How you could compile a best of the 80s and omit Madonna's debut and Big Science is beyond comprehension.

Not disagreeing with your general point but you might want to recheck who was number one in 2002 and all.

xp Nurse With Wound is on both '80s lists.

duh, excuse my brain snap(s)

i would vote in an ILX 80s poll if someone wanted to bother

I’d be happy to organize it if there’s true interest. Top 50?

(Maybe 35 more manageable?)

Now this is how it started: THE ILX 1980s ALBUM POLL RESULTS!!

there was one 9 years ago but it's surprisingly boring for an ILM list and is missing all sorts of things I would have thought would be locks (Janet, Madonna, The Blue Nile, Sade)

Haha — at a glance, the top 20 or so isn’t terribly dissimilar from the Pfork list...

it's probably closer to the old pitchfork list than the new one, just with a little more synthpop & sophistipop etc

Maybe we should just have a thread where everyone posts a group of personal favorites; leaning toward albums that may not be so strongly represented on these other lists? (To avoid getting bogged down in Daydream Nation slugging it out w/Nation Of Millions for the umpteenth time?)

(“My Own Personal Eighties”)

a 'the top 100 from the previous ilx poll are banned' might be interesting, that's been done here before with the 70s albums I think and is probably the best way to accomplish that

We don't need to do the 80s.

We DO need to do the 00's, preparing for our big 10's poll at the end of 2019

although I'm not solipsistic enough to expect Cardiacs, Rudimentary Peni, Julian Cope, Foetus, The The, The Astronauts, The Chameleons or any XTC album not made by Todd Rundgren to all appear, one of them might have been nice

+ Magazine, + Simple Minds

The more I think about what r&b is missing the more I’m like -____-

I know I’m a hip hop guy n all but I genuinely do think the 80s was r&b’s “decade“ in so so many ways where the 90s was hip-hop’s (and it’s reflected in the sound of 90s r&b)

That said run dmc still sounds amazing, esp anything produced by Larry smith....rick Rubin got the rep that should have gone to Larry... that’s why I’m glad whodini made it.... but seriously listen to “it’s like that,” that beat sounds as hard today as the day it was recorded

my strongly felt tuesday morning opinion - beefheart’s ice cream for crow is a much better record than i dunno, 90% of the jerky art rock that did make the list

Saying Run-DMC sounds dated is like complaining that the Ramones don’t sound enough like Panic! at the Disco

Lol otm