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Retro soul covers of rock songs (Charles Bradley's version of Black Sabbath's "Changes" comes immediately to mind) frequently suck, and are mostly championed by people who don't want to be seen liking the original version.

we definitely need another one of these threads

lots of opinions about people here instead of music what a surprise

*falls off high horse into trough of metallica blackened whiskey*

Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.

Kenny G and Chuck Mangione are the two most influential and important jazz artists of the 20th century and it isn't close.

Yeah, but only if you consider 'important' and 'influential' to be synonyms.

xxp humblebrag much, lol

didn't mean it that way, honest! I listen to a lot of music by straight non-American white guys with guitars for example.

man i love Steely Dan so much

Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, September 7, 2018 5:02 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed 100%, but I've known this basically all my life

three chords and the truth, that's all you really need

that's a quote about classic country songwriting, tbf

Joy Division was the best band of all times. In the early days of ILM this was less controversial, I think.

what is "yacht rock"

http://www.yachtrock.com/yacht-or-nyacht-jay-gradient/

iirc early ilm was full of very clever ppl saying ian curtis sounded like kermit the frog and that their lyrics were bad. it would prob be hard to find a single "challenging opinion" that hasn't been aired on ilm at least once over the years.

there's always a dumber take

Everything ever recorded by The Clash is absolute garbage until Cut The Crap

I think we had trouble finding someone who disliked Joy Division in the early ILM days!

I heard "Take It to the Limit" on the radio last night and man that song sounds great, I'm pro-Eagles now

Jesus Christ, no, that song is an outrage.

phish are better than the grateful dead

Björk's voice is horrendous

phish are better than the grateful dead

I'm willing to accept this as long as I don't have to listen to find out.

Post Malone got tunes, man

Björk's voice is horrendous

― flappy bird, Friday, September 7, 2018 6:44 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this take gains some heat coming from ilm's biggest smashing pumpkins fan

Björk's voice is horrendous

This isn't controversial because I came close to posting the same, or similar, earlier today.

yeah that was the implicit preface of xp

every opinion about something being bad is a terrible, boring opinion. is my terrible, boring opinion.

Of course.

There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults music critics refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.

― grawlix (unperson), Friday, September 7, 2018 3:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fixed

Robert Christgau has spent most of his life doing something that he isn't particularly good at - while it's admirable that he's had the stamina to listen to so much music over however many decades, it's all been for nothing as far as I'm concerned and a waste of time, particularly his.

Besides, spending time listening to a lot of music you may not like when there's a zillion better things to do is just a no-brainer. For music to be your life at that level after the age of, say, 40 strikes me as incredibly sad.

-"a no-brainer", +"stupid"

Well, he does get paid for it

hard agree on Xgau, he is a pox on music criticism and culture. Just awful, incomprehensible pretentious nonsense - with a cult like devotion & following. horrible

Björk's voice is horrendous

― flappy bird, Friday, September 7, 2018 6:44 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this take gains some heat coming from ilm's biggest smashing pumpkins fan

― lowercase (eric), Friday, September 7, 2018 7:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know, and believe me I've tried, I think Björk is awesome and totally amazing as an artist & cultural figure. I just can't get past that voice. Sucks

Ronnie James Dio was better in Black Sabbath than Ozzy Osbourne.

woah...

There is no such thing as bad music, the offender is the person who plays it in a public place

most music critics today are just as subjective as the rest of us.

agreed re: bjork, also her songs are unlistenable

The deification of Beyoncè is nauseating. Most music writers are unwilling to look skeptically at her creative process and image management, and that irritates me. She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music, and is responsible for a whole load of questionable and insincere shit created in order to make as much money as humanly possible.

rockism isn't controversial

It is these days.

my take two years ago was that the more "insincere" lemonade is the more powerful it is as art produced under capitalism

triggercut otm.

"authenticity" is an extremely shitty lens to discuss music through

She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music

I'm relieved you put that risible twaddle in scare quotes.

I'd rather you said her voice sucked and left it tbere.

There’s no such thing as authenticity, granted, but it’s a boring position nowadays, and I’m not entirely sure it holds up in practice. I want to believe.

boring things are good