Retro soul covers of rock songs (Charles Bradley's version of Black Sabbath's "Changes" comes immediately to mind) frequently suck, and are mostly championed by people who don't want to be seen liking the original version.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
we definitely need another one of these threads
lots of opinions about people here instead of music what a surprise
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:47 (five years ago) link
*falls off high horse into trough of metallica blackened whiskey*
Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:02 (five years ago) link
Kenny G and Chuck Mangione are the two most influential and important jazz artists of the 20th century and it isn't close.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
Yeah, but only if you consider 'important' and 'influential' to be synonyms.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
xxp humblebrag much, lol
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:08 (five years ago) link
didn't mean it that way, honest! I listen to a lot of music by straight non-American white guys with guitars for example.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:14 (five years ago) link
man i love Steely Dan so much
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, September 7, 2018 5:02 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed 100%, but I've known this basically all my life
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
three chords and the truth, that's all you really need
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:17 (five years ago) link
that's a quote about classic country songwriting, tbf
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link
Joy Division was the best band of all times. In the early days of ILM this was less controversial, I think.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:30 (five years ago) link
what is "yacht rock"
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link
http://www.yachtrock.com/yacht-or-nyacht-jay-gradient/
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:48 (five years ago) link
iirc early ilm was full of very clever ppl saying ian curtis sounded like kermit the frog and that their lyrics were bad. it would prob be hard to find a single "challenging opinion" that hasn't been aired on ilm at least once over the years.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:03 (five years ago) link
there's always a dumber take
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:11 (five years ago) link
Everything ever recorded by The Clash is absolute garbage until Cut The Crap
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 22:15 (five years ago) link
I think we had trouble finding someone who disliked Joy Division in the early ILM days!
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:38 (five years ago) link
I heard "Take It to the Limit" on the radio last night and man that song sounds great, I'm pro-Eagles now
Jesus Christ, no, that song is an outrage.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:34 (five years ago) link
phish are better than the grateful dead
― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link
Björk's voice is horrendous
― flappy bird, Friday, 7 September 2018 23:44 (five years ago) link
I'm willing to accept this as long as I don't have to listen to find out.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link
Post Malone got tunes, man
― alpine static, Friday, 7 September 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Friday, September 7, 2018 6:44 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this take gains some heat coming from ilm's biggest smashing pumpkins fan
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link
This isn't controversial because I came close to posting the same, or similar, earlier today.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link
yeah that was the implicit preface of xp
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:53 (five years ago) link
every opinion about something being bad is a terrible, boring opinion. is my terrible, boring opinion.
― fuck giving a bear beer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
Of course.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:04 (five years ago) link
There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults music critics refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, September 7, 2018 3:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fixed
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:15 (five years ago) link
Robert Christgau has spent most of his life doing something that he isn't particularly good at - while it's admirable that he's had the stamina to listen to so much music over however many decades, it's all been for nothing as far as I'm concerned and a waste of time, particularly his.
Besides, spending time listening to a lot of music you may not like when there's a zillion better things to do is just a no-brainer. For music to be your life at that level after the age of, say, 40 strikes me as incredibly sad.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
-"a no-brainer", +"stupid"
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:24 (five years ago) link
Well, he does get paid for it
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:52 (five years ago) link
hard agree on Xgau, he is a pox on music criticism and culture. Just awful, incomprehensible pretentious nonsense - with a cult like devotion & following. horrible
― flappy bird, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:13 (five years ago) link
― lowercase (eric), Friday, September 7, 2018 7:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know, and believe me I've tried, I think Björk is awesome and totally amazing as an artist & cultural figure. I just can't get past that voice. Sucks
― flappy bird, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:14 (five years ago) link
Ronnie James Dio was better in Black Sabbath than Ozzy Osbourne.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:25 (five years ago) link
woah...
― flopson, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:32 (five years ago) link
There is no such thing as bad music, the offender is the person who plays it in a public place
― anvil, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:51 (five years ago) link
most music critics today are just as subjective as the rest of us.
― nicky lo-fi, Saturday, 8 September 2018 12:34 (five years ago) link
agreed re: bjork, also her songs are unlistenable
― crüt, Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:18 (five years ago) link
The deification of Beyoncè is nauseating. Most music writers are unwilling to look skeptically at her creative process and image management, and that irritates me. She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music, and is responsible for a whole load of questionable and insincere shit created in order to make as much money as humanly possible.
― triggercut, Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:39 (five years ago) link
rockism isn't controversial
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
It is these days.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:47 (five years ago) link
my take two years ago was that the more "insincere" lemonade is the more powerful it is as art produced under capitalism
― lowercase (eric), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:49 (five years ago) link
triggercut otm.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
"authenticity" is an extremely shitty lens to discuss music through
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:51 (five years ago) link
She has perhaps been the biggest winner in the decline of 'authenticity' as a lens through which to discuss music
I'm relieved you put that risible twaddle in scare quotes.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2018 13:54 (five years ago) link
I'd rather you said her voice sucked and left it tbere.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:06 (five years ago) link
There’s no such thing as authenticity, granted, but it’s a boring position nowadays, and I’m not entirely sure it holds up in practice. I want to believe.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
boring things are good
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 September 2018 14:18 (five years ago) link