a tiny proportion of pop album buyers wouldn't just play through a side anyway
not so sure about that. it was exactly as easy to play a single track as it was to play an entire side, and pop fans routinely did that, skipping around from song to song or playing one song over and over. even in the golden age of albums, singles and tracks still ruled.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 September 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link
it was exactly as easy to play a single track as it was to play an entire side
of course it wasn't! not that it was super-hard, but you have to be next to the record player at the start and the end of the track. and to carefully find the exact spot to drop the needle. as opposed to just putting it on and then walking away or sitting down or playing a game or playing with the cat or making out or reading a book or staring at the ceiling and listening.
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 6 September 2018 07:53 (five years ago) link
Yeah clearly : listening to cassettes and LPs was a totally different experience due to that (even though, of course, you could fast forward the cassette, find the exact spot for the needle etc but it wasn't the easiest and most common way to listen to these.So yeah, Lovesexy's 1 track thing was only an issue on cd (and now on mp3 !).Has another artist tried to do that gimmick again, by the way ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 6 September 2018 09:55 (five years ago) link
not that it was super-hard, but you have to be next to the record player at the start and the end of the track. and to carefully find the exact spot to drop the needle.
it was super-easy! if the record player was playing, you were in the same room as the record player! it's not like you put it on in your bedroom and then moved on to the living room. you had to be close by if you wanted to hear it. and finding the exact spot to drop the needle wasn't exactly brain surgery. pick up needle, move needle to band between songs, drop needle. it was as natural and ingrained as hitting the play button on your phone is now. (phone vs. phono! fight!) and for most people, it required no more care than that.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:32 (five years ago) link
Stop, you’re both right
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Thursday, 6 September 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link
i only listen to lovesexy in serato
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 September 2018 15:00 (five years ago) link
Errr why do you have to stay next to the vinyl deck to listen to the music !? They were (and are) connected to speakers in the room (and even around the house) !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:10 (five years ago) link
And fast forwarding a cassette was a pain in the ass (and emptied your walkman batteries in a wink)...
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:12 (five years ago) link
my next response to this extremely important vinyl sub-thread would almost assuredly be the vinyl sub-thread's new jersey -- hugely popular and maybe acclaimed now thanks to the pre-existing interest in this sub-thread, but history would not look at it kindly. history might even mock it. bad medicine, as it were. i shall not release that response.
― fact checking cuz, Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:36 (five years ago) link
Eheh yeah at one point I was wondering in which thread I was discussing how to find a track on vinyl/cassette... the link with NJ is not obvious !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 6 September 2018 18:12 (five years ago) link
Errr why do you have to stay next to the vinyl deck to listen to the music !?
to listen to one single track on an LP side, you have to be next to the record player at the end of the song to lift the tone arm
(and even around the house) !
or you can just have your butler do it, I guess
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 6 September 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link
Sorry to interrupt this fascinating sub-topic. Hip-hop seems a fertile genre for NJs (careers seem to rise and crash faster). 50 cents “Massacre” could be a good one (sold pretty massively yet has left no mark in pop history)
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 September 2018 08:51 (five years ago) link
yeah otm for 50.Was there a consensus about Jay-Z's ?I can't really think of one...
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 09:39 (five years ago) link
Blueprint 2
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 September 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link
Eminem's would be Encore, maybe ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link
Now way ! There's the Black Album after !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 09:41 (five years ago) link
And even the Blueprint 3 had almost an equivalent success 3 albums later...
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 09:43 (five years ago) link
50 Cent's The Massacre is def the most New Jersey rap album of all time, though.
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― niels, Friday, 7 September 2018 10:17 (five years ago) link
my conviction is that THE MASSACRE is the last "core" new jersey. (....)― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Thursday, August 30, 2018 10:53 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 September 2018 11:32 (five years ago) link
Oops. Should have done a search in thread
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 September 2018 11:57 (five years ago) link
Hip Hop is a different beast, it seems to me, in that a lot of times an artist, like Coolio for instance, will just fall off after a huge hit album because times have moved on so fast.
― President Keyes, Friday, 7 September 2018 12:26 (five years ago) link
Jay's fake retirement kinda muddies the waters with him wrt a New Jersey...
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 September 2018 12:43 (five years ago) link
agree with the MassacreCoolio had a big album and hits but he was never perceived as a dominant force in hip hop even at his peak. 50, Jay, and Eminem are at least in the position to have a New Jersey in the first place.
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 September 2018 12:45 (five years ago) link
Coolio was a guy who had some massive singles but it’s not like the album itself, while it was a big seller, had any cultural impact vs the songs making their own separate impacts. The albums are just delivery systems for a couple massive hits. Which is obv very common, it’s like idk Ace of Base or The Wallflowers. Coolio was also perceived as more a “personality” than he was an artist, probably and perhaps unfortunately.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:02 (five years ago) link
Did The Cure have a NJ ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:17 (five years ago) link
The Massacre is a good choice (my favorite 50 album too).
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 13:17 (five years ago) link
I couldn't remember ANY single from it. After checking it out, turns out I didn't like any single (except "Hate it or Love it" but it was from the Game's album anyway).
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:26 (five years ago) link
for The Cure I imagine maybe Wish?
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link
Yeah seems right. Even The Cure's fans don't really like it, I think !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 13:31 (five years ago) link
wish largely rules imo
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 13:34 (five years ago) link
weird album as far as fans go. i absolutely love it.
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:02 (five years ago) link
omar and ums OTM re: Coolio. as for Eminem, Encore is what ended up in the poll but it never felt very settled. imho Encore really feels more like a Fairweather Johnson - huge sales but it's *purely* momentum and the singles campaign is out of gas halfway through. also the "career decline" is harder to read because he just "retired" for a few years after and returned to cooled-down hype and expectations. The Eminem Show *feels* way more like a New Jersey, but as croup pointed out, 8 Mile comes out later that same year. you could maybe count them together as his New Jersey moment, but then you've got two of his most enduring legacy songs, and with Lose Yourself maybe his biggest song ever, in the "New Jersey" ... which doesn't feel right.The Cure are probably not huge enough to have one of these - couple of platinum albums but they only have a tiny number of top ten hits and never more than one per album, so hard to see any of them dropping with Jovian hugeness. it's not really surprising that after emerging from comparative obscurity to have a couple of quite successful albums, they didn't replicate that on an ongoing basis.
― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link
WISH second only to THE HEAD ON THE DOOR
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link
i think the New Jersey concept scales down nicely to non-HUGE acts
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:51 (five years ago) link
and HOTD otm. I love "Push" but it's a New Jersey distilled into a single track imo
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
... what
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
The Cure's not big enough.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:53 (five years ago) link
xxpost I think non-Huge acts need a separate thread though, to avoid all those "Wowee Zowee" type suggestions earlier in the thread.
― President Keyes, Friday, 7 September 2018 14:55 (five years ago) link
agreed with keyes - it should be its own thread imho, just because it will spawn a thousand overlapping artist-specific discussions as devotees of Apollo 18 and Hail to the Thief and Wilder contest their classification but without larger-than-life hard data to cut through the murk. croup was right to police this boundary of the thread imo, we're dealing with a specific phenomenon of mega-successful albums here and some aspects of that actually don't scale at all.
― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:56 (five years ago) link
I can't find the New Jersey poll thread !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
Wish is clearly The Cure's NJ (and around 1992 these guys were nearly as big as REM)
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
like what would be the equivalent of having five top ten singles but no real pop cultural presence a decade later - having two that make it into the top forty but the fans don't really rank it as highly as the predecessor? is that really all that interesting?
― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 September 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
BEST/MOST "BON JOVI'S NEW JERSEY" ALBUM EVER
@ baaderonixx - hmm, maybe a US versus UK thing? in the US the Cure were almost quantifiably one-quarter as huge as REM, who by 1992 had had four US top-ten hits and steadily increasing album sales (1987: platinum, 1988: double platinum, 1991 and 1992: 4x platinum each) ((though some of that must be later sales). by 1992 the cure had also had four top-tenners back home, but just one in the US, where their 1989 album went double-platinum and their 1992 album went single.
― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:03 (five years ago) link
One of the many ways in which we knew something had to change about counting record sales in the pre-Soundscan era is how country and college radio acts were consistently under-counted. By 1989 the Cure were selling out Dodger Stadium, Depeche Mode had reached that stage a year earlier, and Morrissey was almost there. None of their Billboard album peaks before late spring '91 reflected their actual sales.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:07 (five years ago) link
Okay, that's a good point, I didn't realize that!
― got the scuba tube blowin' like a snork (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link
yeah Dr C, I don't know - I was living in California at the time and a new Cure album definitely felt like a massive event (granted, maybe not Bon Jovi massive but then we're really gonna run out of bands to talk about)
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link
xpostThankx Dr C ! I don't know why the search engine couldn't find it...As for Cure not being big enough to qualify, yeah, I disagree. They were not Pavement level at the time !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 September 2018 15:23 (five years ago) link
i still don't really think wish is a nj
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
The immediate followup to Wish, released, say, a year or two later, might've been a NJ, but Wild Mood Swings was released four years later in a different era and diminished expectations, therefore I conclude that the Cure don't have an NJ.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 15:33 (five years ago) link