Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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wait! I saw:
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― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Once a neighbor of mine who was a tennis player got a new CD player for his Volvo. He told me and a friend to check it out. We sat in the car and he showed off his new system by playing Led Zeppelin. I was like, "Sounds alright to me."

Then he popped in a Dave Matthews Band CD. He said, "Ya know, Dave Matthews Band is just good fucking music, man."

"Just good fucking music, man."

I didn't like it one bit.

Not one bit.

― Cub, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread is getting too unweildly to load for my poor, outdated, wheezing computer. Thus, I must excuse/recuse myself from this debate from this point further. If anyone wants to start up a sequel thread or something, I'm all for it. Until such time, however, my final word on the subject: The Dave Matthews Band is comprised of, in all probability, perfectly kind, considerate, intelllient, compassionate human beings with all the best of intentions, but their music is still dull as dishwater. I don't decry anyone's right to listen to and enjoy it, but just don't try to tell me how fuckin' great it is.....`cos it ain't.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone wrote on the Eagles CorD thread that the Eagles combined the worst qualities of pop (mindless formulaic drivel-ness) with the worst of rock (bloated self-importance). The DMB are like what you get when you combine the worst of pop, rock and jazz.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm overwhelmed by the originality (or lack there of) in that post.

― james, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 21:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Taking Sides: Dave Matthews Band vs. Coldplay
yet Another anti DMB thread

― Climate Hunter, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

yet Another anti DMB thread

Oh come on! You can READ, can't you?

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 10 June 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

No.

― Climate Hunter, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

The other day my brother's friend's band started off their cover of "All Along the Watchtower" by declaring
"He're's a little song Bob Dylan wrote, Jimi Hendrix made rockin', and Dave Matthews took to a whole nother level. Now, we're going to see what we can do with it."

― Applepie Baseball, Wednesday, 11 June 2003 00:31 (twenty-three years ago)

haha - bono to thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 00:32 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread is an embarrassment.

the responses from regulars (who should be ashamed of so vigorously taking advantage of their relative experience with defending their tastes by arguing) remind me particularly of mark's second paragraph in clarke's 'boring' thread.

a more fruitful way to understand this thread's original question might be, following mark, to assume that the people who like dave matthews do not do so because of a lack on their part (a lack of taste, intelligence, character, experience, or anything else). your conception of how a person could like dave matthews would seem to have some bearing on why you don't like him. (perhaps making certain answers easier.) then an interesting question becomes, why is it so important to you to make it clear that you are not like that person (exemplified by your not liking dave matthews)?

I would say that in my late high school years, into the time I went off to college, a very wide range of people in my age group and older, in different social groups, liked dave matthews to some extent. this was around the time of 'under the table and dreaming'. I remember their first couple-few big singles as significant presence on the radio. I recall a review from the time noting matthews' 'frat-boy existentialism' as a potential fault, but giving him a pass because there is still something fulfilling about even frat-boy existentialism, at times. the association with frat boys bothered me because I hadn't really seen that connection - it seemed like an inaccurate thing to say at the time, though it became more accurate later as the band's audience changed. something similar to that point about the faulty-but-good-enough existentialism (especially found in 'crash', I think) could probably be said about the music's character and sound, especially in terms of difference from the prevailing styles of the time
on rock and mainstream alternative radio.

― Josh (Josh), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 06:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Applepie Baseball: "He're's a little song Bob Dylan wrote, Jimi Hendrix made rockin', and Dave Matthews took to a whole nother level. Now, we're going to see what we can do with it."
James Blount: haha - bono to thread
I think Bono would've said "Jimi Hendrix stole this from Dylan...we're stealin' it back."
Funny thing I heard (which is probably a myth, but it would be sooooo coool if it were true:) Apparently, Bono himself was embarassed by his pontifications on the Rattle and Hum record...and whenever he gets out of hand in the studio, one of his bandmates would inevitably remark:
"Ey, Bono......are we stealin' it back?"
And here's a documented fact: Bono is forbidden to have any coffee or caffeine before they go into the studio. Allegedly, A cup of black coffee really brings out the pompous twit in him.
Kinda like Henry Rollins...without the sense of humor.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

The purpose of me bringing up those specific people on this web site was to prove that hatred and anger get you no where. I don't dislike anyone the way the people on this web site do. As for someone saying all DMB fans are hootie fans thats a lie I never caught on as to why hootie was so popular. All of my friends that like Dave aren't hootie fans so that is untrue.

― dmbfan012003, Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

DMB fans in "nicer than ILM" shocka

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

FYI: ILM is not a coherent entity

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean, it does seem like "niceness" is just the apex of achievement for a band like DMB -- they play the exact role that Phil Collins and Genesis played back in the mid-'80s (except Phil and Co. wrote songs that got on the radio). Just... nice. And not, y'know, *weird* like that new wave stuff. I mean, who's going to listen to that weird stuff in 20 years? ;)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well, they're just half a step removed from hippies, no?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah niceness is just criminally uncool, I'd sooner be caught telling people to be kind to others

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

this dmb hootie comparison convinces me that either most people hatin' haven't actually listened to dmb carefully, or that there's much more interesting stuff going on in hootie than i realized.

i mean a violin jamband combo with a dude singing slightly skittery jazz-inflected stuff in not quite a standard key. maybe its not my thing but while i was like 15 or 16 and listening to alt-rock radio it seemed way more *weird* than most of the stuff on at the time.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

BOTH SUCK

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

that or one is completely unaware of the histories, tour circuits, etc. of hootie and dmb, or the way their label sold them as the 'new hootie' in 94 (somewhere big head todd's going 'where's my platinum album?').

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

hootie, dmb, big head todd, lisa loeb, the pietasters and squirrel nut zippers were all regular players at my dad's old club in southwest va in the early to mid 90s. make of that what you will.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the Yanc3y but that club sounds like my idea of a slow, bitter, torturous hell.

judging a band by its tour circuit, c or d?

Inestimably classic.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

'chitlin circuit' to thread

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

but the touring circuit matters, sterling! these bands shared stages, were friends/rivals, they wuz a SCENE, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

my dad's club totally sucked. tho it did give me the opportunity to meet uncle tupelo when i wuz 14. which was very cool.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

pretending bands don't have contexts - c or d?

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

the thing is ALOT of people woulda put their money on big head todd if you'd asked them 'who's gonna make it big?'

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i would've. "bittersweet" shoulda been the anthem of the 90s.

it's the boulder curse! (rick neuheisel to thread!)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

haha! rashaan salaam to thread!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave Matthews Band, Hootie and The Blowfish, Counting Crows (the Why is DMB so Hated Thread has gotten too huge to load quickly) [some nonworksafe spanking be here]

― the Management of Justifiable Hatred (vassifer), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:56 (twenty-three years ago)

he's gotta take off the noose first

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 12 June 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd just like to know what all these people being so high and mighty listen to, or are they too busy trying to seem "cool" by critiquing everything they can? And saying that dave sounds like a "muppet," I think that 50 Cent sounds awful and monotonous, but instead of being mean about it I just say "I don't like him" so I'm not rude to any of his fans.

― Jeff, Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling stop posting under aliases!

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:41 (twenty-three years ago)

dave sounds like a "muppet,"

Hey, I like the way Kermit sings.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 June 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

jewel sounds more like a muppet. that was what made her first single cool & catchy. after that i have no idea why she stuck around.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:36 (twenty-three years ago)

more references to ILM and its regulars as a single coherent hata motherbrain please

― Millar (Millar), Thursday, 12 June 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Um, do those of you bemoaning the hatred showed here towards Dave even read the title of this thread?

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 12 June 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I was in a jam band called Hata Motherbrain once, we had a killer version of China Cat Sunflower

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 12 June 2003 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Looks like the dmb fans have gave up at last.

― Brain, Thursday, 12 June 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Just tired of people's bitching and not trying in the least bit to understand where fans are coming from. Got bored with the constant cheapshots and reference to the fan stereotypes. Please, please, please, sustain your arguements with something other than "uh..they suck cuz they're boring n' stuff." Or "I went to a concert once...but its just not my kind of music so I think they suck" If the only reason that you can procure for the reason that you don't like them is that it's not your type of music, then what the hell are you argueing about? Also, make up your minds boys, please...are we all hippies or are we frat boys? I have to know so I can conform to that faction (since you know, that's what we DMB fans do..we conform)
I do acknowlege that a small portion of the people that post here are not as thoroughly dim-witted as the puerile majority are. This post not intended for the few that actually justify their aversion.
To remark on the original comment, I'm sure the fans are still watching. They're just still waiting for the imprudent, pseudo-intellectuals to say something that varies from the same thing they've said since this thread was created.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 01:56 (twenty-three years ago)

deranged duck!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"the puerile majority" is the name of my forthcoming book on contemporary iranian politics.

― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Allison, I think that chastising people for puerile comments on a thread designed to attract the hardcore puerile contingent might be somewhat fruitless.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 June 2003 09:31 (twenty-three years ago)

It probably wasn't designed that way, but you can't deny that it does attract them.

― Allison, Friday, 13 June 2003 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha. Allison rulez.

― NA. (Nick A.), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

As a member of not just one, but many hardcore puerile contingents - DMB is the antithesis of puerile. That's why we hate him (and Sting.)

― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 13 June 2003 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

So, am I supposed to be a puerile embarassment or not?

I think I'm just going to sit here and be peeved with Josh.

― J (Jay), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:27 (twenty-three years ago)

''Ha. Allison rulez.''

i second that!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 13 June 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you going to stick around and contribute on other threads , Allison? It's not all hate here incase you were wonderin'.

― brain, Friday, 13 June 2003 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

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