weezer cover is the end result of it being memeified, it happened due to someone on twitter campaigning for them to cover it as a joke
― ufo, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
my contribution to this meme was substantially completed in 2007 following my post-"Yacht Rock" flirtation with Toto fandom. it was never released, made no impact whatsoever, and the current version from 2010 has multiple passages where i got disgusted with corny/crowd-pleasing verse samples and ripped them out leaving nothing behind. take that, meme sheeple!!
― This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:32 (five years ago) link
xp along with their focus group to pick songs for their album, I wonder if Weezer makes any moves today that are not suggested by their fans
― Vinnie, Friday, 27 July 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link
Defend the Indefensible: Note-for-Note Cover Versions
I often find myself liking these more than the original (Faith No More - Easy, for instance) even when I know I shouldn't.
― enochroot
the way mike patton says "eww" right before the solo sells the hell out of it
the version with the spoken-word intro is ass, though, the "songs to make love to" version is the fucking one
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Friday, 27 July 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
also, like, fuck it. can we just talk about popol vuh instead? they're really good.
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Friday, 27 July 2018 03:58 (five years ago) link
there's popol that a hundred men or more could ever vuh
― No organ. (crüt), Friday, 27 July 2018 04:08 (five years ago) link
Everyone in my family except me went to see Sir Ringo Starr & his big band last year. They played "Africa". The keyboard player was from Toto which somehow made it a reasonable thing to do at a Ringo Starr gig.
― everything, Friday, 27 July 2018 04:37 (five years ago) link
"africa" by toto is a great song
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Wednesday, May 9, 2018 7:34 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i agree, "africa" by toto is a great song
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Friday, 27 July 2018 05:11 (five years ago) link
I don't know where we landed on this, but my 2 cents:
Africa was popular when it came out in the 80s and is popular again now.
DSB never stopped being popular, it's a classic rock staple, although it did get an additional boost from Sopranos.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:04 (five years ago) link
to counter sleeve
the extended mix of this song is indeed great, and annihilates the overplayed original
this song definitely inspired tornado wallace and possibly dawn richard 86, though that last one might be a stretch
but in fairness to sleeve i would never dj this myself unless at home with buddies, it is way too visible
― transcendental headache (Ross), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:11 (five years ago) link
dawn richard "86" is better than this song
― dyl, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
No one else seems to have expressed this viewpoint, so...
Weezer cover is awesome and, in part, precisely because it's note for note (the other part being that "Africa" by Toto is a good song).
― timellison, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
^ so much thisThe Weezer version came on the local AAA radio station during my commute yesterday, and I had that exact thought sequence.The underlying song is so good that a note-perfect cover version is exactly the right way to play it.
― enochroot, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:07 (five years ago) link
then why play it at all
― calstars, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:45 (five years ago) link
Yeah, this feels a bit like when Shakin' Stevens shows up on early 80's TOTP and I just wonder "did they not have Elvis records back then?"
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:51 (five years ago) link
I get it, weezer trying to make money, but shit, this is bottom feeder behavior
― calstars, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:56 (five years ago) link
then why play it at all― calstars, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:45 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Probably because that twitter campaign to get them to cover it went viral, and they decided to be good sports about it.
Here's an interview with the Weezer bassist:
Q: Would you have believed it, if someone told you a few years ago that you're going to have your biggest hit of the decade, but the bad news is, it's going to be Toto's "Africa"?A: It's a great story how it started, with a fan reaching out, and us tweeting back. Then we released (a cover of Toto's) "Rosanna," that really confused everyone. I guess we were just kind of doing it for us, because it was fun, having no idea it was such a good story.Q: "Africa" is all over the internet. There's even dancing dog memes. What is it about that song?A: Obviously, it's a world class hit song, so there's that, and it's just kind of globally relatable, somehow. I don't know, it's a massive song. Wasn't it in Season 2 of "Stranger Things"? It started with that, and a lot of younger people became aware of it.Q: Does part of you wonder if you'll be tied to Toto's "Africa" forever, and have to play it all the time?A: Yeah, I think Rivers said as much: "OK, now we get to play this for the rest of our career. Ready? Go." How can you be mad? The whole amphitheatre lights up and sings along. No matter what I think about a particular song, to see everyone have such a great time, you can't help but have fun.
A: It's a great story how it started, with a fan reaching out, and us tweeting back. Then we released (a cover of Toto's) "Rosanna," that really confused everyone. I guess we were just kind of doing it for us, because it was fun, having no idea it was such a good story.
Q: "Africa" is all over the internet. There's even dancing dog memes. What is it about that song?
A: Obviously, it's a world class hit song, so there's that, and it's just kind of globally relatable, somehow. I don't know, it's a massive song. Wasn't it in Season 2 of "Stranger Things"? It started with that, and a lot of younger people became aware of it.
Q: Does part of you wonder if you'll be tied to Toto's "Africa" forever, and have to play it all the time?
A: Yeah, I think Rivers said as much: "OK, now we get to play this for the rest of our career. Ready? Go." How can you be mad? The whole amphitheatre lights up and sings along. No matter what I think about a particular song, to see everyone have such a great time, you can't help but have fun.
― enochroot, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link
No matter what I think about a particular song, to see everyone have such a great time, you can't help but have fun.the opposite of a board description
― niels, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:20 (five years ago) link
Toto returns the favor
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:22 (five years ago) link
This is going to be a split 7" for RSD next year, isn't it?
― Eliza D., Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:44 (five years ago) link
i know this band and this song are both big jokes to the cool kids, but Weezer is doing just fine without covering Africa. they might've done it to feel loved, but they didn't do it for the money.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:34 (five years ago) link
we are living in hell
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
Can't wait for Toto to do "Tired of Having Sex"
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
― calstars, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:27 (five years ago) link
i think Weezer already put out their own 7"
nah. ive made my peace w Weezer, they are just old dudes trying to stay relevant at this point. going back and listening to their first ever hit, "Buddy Holly", that cool/uncool opening line "What's with these homies dissing my girl?", etc. kind of makes you realize they've always been like this, it's just the mid-late 90s was the right time right place, they were a younger band back then, and past the mask has been slipping ever since.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:17 (five years ago) link
Their schtick was always so calculated; can't fault them for whatever measures they may be taking to shore things up in the present day. They're pure careerists (not that there's anything wrong with that, etc.).
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:17 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i had the opportunity through a work friend who went to school with Pat the drummer to be at a BBQ of Buffalo expats and talked to him a bunch, this was on the tour right as the Green Album came out (they were at a low ebb, playing clubs again), anyway, we talked about Dio and he said that even then he didn't care about the band and it was just a paycheck, so like almost 20 years ago they were phoning it in
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:15 (five years ago) link
I've never had any love for Weezer. I only went to their concert because HEY PIXIES, and because my wife is a 90s creature and loved Pinkerton.
But I will confirm what the bass guy sez: they played Africa and thousands of middle-aged white people sang along ecstatically.
IIRC Cuomo was like a conservatory guy, like Berklee or whatever? In his youth he thought that because he could shred inna technically demanding stylee, his band was better than other bands. The harder the music is to play, the more popular it should be. I commend his reversal on this very wrong point. However, I still don't like or need their music in my life.
― devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
I dislike "Africa" but it's better than anything on pinkerton
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:25 (five years ago) link
one thing these covers have proved without a doubt is that pat wilson is no porcoro
― ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:25 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
p convenient that "africa" can be replaced w just about anything
― lowercase (eric), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:40 (five years ago) link
lol
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:42 (five years ago) link
Cuomo was like a conservatory guy, like Berklee or whatever?
yes. there was a podcast somewhere where he demonstrated one of his formulas for writing a song, it was this spreadsheet with chord progressions and shit. just crapping out songs on auto-pilot.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link
Cuomo was a shredder that was hella into hair metal. He claimedche took lessons from Jim Matheos once too.
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:52 (five years ago) link
C'mon, guys... if Devo did this, they'd be hailed as geniuses!
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
dyl, no question the dawn song is better yeah
― transcendental headache (Ross), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link
I honestly can't remember a time when I didn't think Weezer were phoning it in and yes that includes their first album
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link
I heard GG Allin crapped out some masterpieces in his day.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:05 (five years ago) link
Ask a chef though, if your masterpiece goes right into someone's mouth you don't get proper recognition
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link
Touché
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:24 (five years ago) link
speaking of resurgences in popularity, found this quote at the top of the wiki article on "My Baby Just Cares for Me":
A stylized version of the song by Nina Simone,[2] recorded in 1958, was a top 10 hit in the United Kingdom after it was used in a 1987 perfume commercial and resulted in a renaissance for Simone.[3]
there should be a list of artists that were for a long time criminally overlooked but who are now so canonized that it's hard to imagine they were ever missing from the canon
― niels, Friday, 3 August 2018 07:31 (five years ago) link
I was first aware of Nina Simone due to this track appearing on Now 10.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 3 August 2018 08:49 (five years ago) link
Can def confirm Nina Simone's hit in 1987, Niels. The video had a lot to do with it's new success iirc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYSbUOoq4Vg
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 3 August 2018 09:32 (five years ago) link
Xmas #1 in the Netherlands!
― dorsalstop, Friday, 3 August 2018 10:06 (five years ago) link
their first ever hit, "Buddy Holly"
I thought it was The Sweater Song
― rip van wanko, Friday, 3 August 2018 10:20 (five years ago) link
cool thanks!
I guess Nina didn't like the video...
― niels, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:32 (five years ago) link
xpost Sweater Song didn't crack the US top 40--peaked at 57. Buddy Holly made it to #18.
― President Keyes, Friday, 3 August 2018 12:25 (five years ago) link
I had no idea this had happened until I finally decided to click through and find out why tf this thread kept floating to the top.
Kill me. Kill me now.
― Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 August 2018 12:29 (five years ago) link
xp it made it to #6 on modern rock. that's gotta count for something.
― how's life, Friday, 3 August 2018 12:36 (five years ago) link
God, ever since this thread got revived it just won't get out of my head.
― how's life, Friday, 3 August 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link