XXXTentacion - ?

That's what you get for falling over in a forest..

Every time I saw his name I would get Heaven 17 stuck in my head.

The local reporters this morning read his moniker indistinctly Spanish accents.

Hey I’m back! Yeah that Spotify thing is spineless af, if they’re going to play politics they need to stand for something and not change their mind for money. Or just be a business and stop taking social stances that don’t really mean shit to you for good PR.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka)

i thought it was motivated by kendrick threatening to pull his music from spotify if they followed through with it?

Yes, it was exactly that.

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2018/06/pregnant-runaways-breathe-collective-sigh-of-relief.html

Hey guys whats up

There’s no need for hot takes all the time, simon still otm - you could just say nothing. Basically I don’t care

Wow I do not need to know Byron Crawford’s take on this or anything.

bol is scum too

"scum"? Does that mean if he died it would be expected to shit on him too

did I say that?

im not sure where youre drawing the line between dehumanizing people enough that its ok to celebrate when they die or not

His life was nasty, brutish and short

Seems he was too.

I really really don't understand why you're so intent on carrying water for this guy, like surely you understand why people have a less than charitable response to his death

Damon Young isn't pulling punches.

https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/stop-pretending-you-actually-gave-a-shit-about-xxxtenta-1826952372

Interesting how "performative mourning" is used in that piece and "performative glee" was used earlier in this thread, almost like the word "performative" is meaningless and people should stop using that fucking word to bolster their own reaction's Authenticity

otherwise that piece is otm

I really really don't understand why you're so intent on carrying water for this guy, like surely you understand why people have a less than charitable response to his death

― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 18:04 (forty minutes ago) Permalink

Who is carrying water for this guy?? Saying we shouldn’t celebrate his death is carrying water now ??

What U really mean is the most woke pov is dancing on his grave

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, June 18, 2018 7:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You don't need to be "woke" and crawl down a Tumblr social justice hole to understand why people are reacting this way

why people are dancing on the grave of a 20 year old kid?

because he symbolized a lot of toxic aspects of modern day society and twitter and instagram invite glib reactions? i’m not saying it’s right, but the people praising him without qualification are just as quease inducing. damon young otm

I don’t judge individuals particularly who have been victimized themselves from having whatever emotional response to this they feel is right; I do question the logical endpoint of dehumanizing him as an ideological stance. For one thing, it seems not very intersectional

I don’t understand how glib people are capable of being about a young man who was just murdered in broad daylight. He was not a good person; he did not deserve death.

— willy 💧 (@willystaley) June 18, 2018

I don’t see a problem w Damon young’s Piece at all

XXXTentacion's Alleged Abuse Victim Not 'Relieved or Happy' https://t.co/k4p7Zimkt6

— TMZ (@TMZ) June 19, 2018

for me it's mostly that i don't give a shit about moral judgment w/o any action to rectify the multitude of problems tied up in this "narrative." like, it seems to me that people are pushing so and so stance just so they can feel better about not putting any work in; participation is rooted in a discursive loop, not in a desire to work towards anything apart from making moral points about what abusers do and don't deserve on a moral level. which, people can think whatever, but structural change and restorative justice really has nothing to do w that and this discourse seems more diversionary towards that end goal than helpful

also re that tmz link, seeing people on twitter shit on abuse victims for saying they didn't get closure when their abuser died is telling

because he symbolized a lot of toxic aspects of modern day society and twitter and instagram invite glib reactions? i’m not saying it’s right, but the people praising him without qualification are just as quease inducing. damon young otm

― maura, 19. juni 2018 20:30 (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you don't see the problem with making a kid into a symbol of all that's wrong in society, and then celebrating his death?

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Longneck, you're a one, aren't you.

actually i. worded that weirdly. didn't mean to imply that people can't feel one way or another, but i don't think "performative" is a meaningless word at all

you don't see the problem with making a kid into a symbol of all that's wrong in society, and then celebrating his death?

like that miami new times piece... i don’t understand how you can read that and not think that something deeply fucked up is in the bones of everything

I definitely see the problem with that, and I have also written publicly about how sickened I've felt listening to his music and witnessing its reception. I still think flat out cruelty and jokes and making a dead kid into some sort of scapegoat for society's ills is almost just as sickening though. It doesn't solve anything.

not to mention a hype cycle that’s so choked police reports are the only things that cut through the clutter?

This is such an important point... I think it also speaks to the restricted agency of poverty where publicity comes at an insanely high cost ... that the only poor kids we hear about making their way out do so when some crime has been committed

For me it’s quite simple: I thought “well, fuck this asshole” when he was alive and now that he’s dead I still think “well, fuck this asshole”. That doesn’t mean I’m celebrating his death, does it?

Sorry about my terrible opening post after hearing about it - the live by the sword, die by the sword line - it should have been: live by the bbq fork you tried to shove up your ex-gf’s vagina, die getting shot in your BMW.

Oops, sorry. RIP king. Thoughts and prayers.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/weve-only-begun-understanding-xxxtentacions-musical-legacy-w521739

Oh for fucks sake that is legit terrible.

Wow - this sequence of sentences in particular - it's like watching the rationalization/minimization happen in real time:

A deposition excerpted by Pitchfork and reporting from the Miami New Times pointed to a history of physical and mental violence that's monstrous by any standard – most notably the allegations of beating her so severely that he damaged her optic nerve. During his life, XXX was callous about the accusations, even mocking. News media and social media made attempts to silence, de-platform and otherwise cancel him, but his impact on music will be felt for years to come nonetheless.

By sentence 3, he has become the victim of "attempts to silence" (etc.) which was presented as "reporting" just a few beats earlier.

Earlier, I typed up and then deleted a post about how the most "performative" thing going around XXXTentacion was not grief or woke rage, but thirtysomething critics pretending that half-assed music by and for stoned, ignorant teenagers was somehow important and worthwhile. Whiney's piece is Exhibit A.

Nowhere in that piece do I say that XXX is a victim or that his music is good. Feel free to keep projecting things on it though, you self-righteous clods

I'm not feeling self-righteous at all; just gobsmacked

What a happy discussion this will be!

I spent the last thirty minutes trying to articulate my complicated thought pattern with some level of succinctness

Only to be derailed by Whiney's piece

But anyway:

I think the prerogative toward grieving, or celebrating, the murder (or death) of an abusive individual within the black community should be black people's prerogative and theirs alone

I’m just not into the Richie Valens comparison at all.

lotta bad reading going on itt

You don't say his music is good, you just talk (and talk, and talk) about his chart success without any context for how "chart success" is measured now versus how it was measured in the late Seventies or early Eighties (when your examples - the Germs, Tall Dwarfs, etc. - were putting out records). Charting with "album equivalent units" is a qualitatively different thing from getting people to walk into a store and buy a record with your name on it. XXXTentacion charted because stoned, ignorant teenagers were briefly fascinated by him. They'll be briefly fascinated with someone else next week.

d-40 otm throughout this thread