Really excited to hear this. Pretty much an untouchable era for this band.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Thursday, 7 June 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link
I hope it's not heretical to say I prefer the 1965 Antibes recording of Love Supreme to the studio version. I think they captured some magic that night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlrQZc3h13E
When I bought this years back the packaging somewhat deceptively lead me to believe I was buying the studio album, so it was a bit of a surprise when I put it on. But that also meant it's become the "canon" version in my mind.
In the years since I've heard other recordings of the Antibes residency and they are stunning. "My Favourite Things" goes to some places.
― Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Thursday, 7 June 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
Not at all -- I definitely prefer the live recording. I never loved the studio ALS; I think they made better studio records before (My Favorite Things) and after (The John Coltrane Quartet Plays, and especially Sun Ship). The Antibes ALS reaches heights the studio version only hints at.
I remember reading that they performed it live one other time, in Philadelphia, but it wasn't recorded.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 7 June 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
ok I gotta hear that Antibes set
― sleeve, Thursday, 7 June 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
It's on one or another "deluxe edition" of ALS, which also includes the somewhat fascinating alternate ALS (or parts of it) with Archie Shepp and Art Davis added to the quartet.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
This one.
I don't care much for the alternate, larger band studio recordings. But the live set that kicks off disc two is pretty much essential.
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
Crescent > A Love Supreme
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:46 (six years ago) link
I always figure every bit of tape that ever existed in any jazz great has been released in triplicate by some weird euro labels and here's new Coltrane recorded w Van Gelder, boggles my mind
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat)
yes it was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUVxlm0cJds
(technically just "resolution" for 32 minutes. fine by me!)
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 7 June 2018 23:55 (six years ago) link
Holy crap!
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 8 June 2018 01:18 (six years ago) link
Thanks for posting that!
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 8 June 2018 01:20 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7X2X7LDFok
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 8 June 2018 11:35 (six years ago) link
one on the bass and one on the piano but... what is John playing into?― Οὖτις, Thursday, June 7, 2018 9:50 PM (yesterday)
The album cover that's shown in the nyt article shows how it was done:https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/06/08/arts/08coltrane4/merlin_139110909_79a01066-168a-417b-9563-9fc2145eacc6-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp
― willem, Friday, 8 June 2018 12:11 (six years ago) link
This piece in the Guardian sheds some light on the history of the tape:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/08/lost-1963-john-coltrane-album-discovered
The master tape left in the studio was lost, and it’s likely it was destroyed in the early 70s when the label, Impulse!, was trying to reduce storage fees. But Coltrane gave his own reference tape of the recording to his wife Naima, despite their then disintegrating relationship – the pair divorced in 1966, and the tape has stayed in her family’s possession ever since.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 8 June 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
The Coltrane family houses must've had lots of hidden storage spaces as the tapes for the posthumous
One Down, One Up: Live at the Half Note
― willem, Friday, 8 June 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
Scroll down this page a little and there's a lot of information about the music on the upcoming release, as well as some other unreleased material that's not out yet:
http://www.barrykernfeld.com/aop.htm
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 9 June 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
The Antibes ALS reaches heights the studio version only hints at.
it is a really awesome performance
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Saturday, 9 June 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link
Where does one get other recordings from the Antibes residency?
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 9 June 2018 13:32 (six years ago) link
wow, so the complete "love supreme" masters, including the tapes referenced by kernfeld, were released in 2015, eh? i missed that one!
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 9 June 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
There's any number of bootleggy discs called Live at Antibes 1965 that have the other night (My Favorite Things, Naima, Impressions, and Blue Valse).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Antibes
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 9 June 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
Yeah, there's a 2CD set called A Love Supreme: The Complete Masters. It's worth hearing.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 9 June 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
not sure if this is the thread to ask for such things, but I'm interested in compiling a list of Coltrane-esque tributes, cut contemporaneously to his passing, or later, in the vein of Sonny Sharrock's "John's Children/ Many Mansions" or even Larry Coryell's "Search for the Higher Consciousness"... stuff that's aiming for what JC's 'Spiritual' does.... any suggestions would be appreciated.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 9 June 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
you know about the comp "For JC - Love is Supreme", right?
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 June 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
I do not! Will seek— thank you!
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 10 June 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link
Yuseef Lateef wrote 'Brother John' in tribute to Coltrane way back in '63. It's a cool groove, very much in a "My Favorite Things" vein.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_F8cFRO99c&list=PLFRQl8Ca9Qfaa6KWHhkIDlb5w6ZAeMpqk
― earlnash, Sunday, 10 June 2018 12:01 (six years ago) link
Roland kirk cut several Coltrane tributes/covers iirc
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 10 June 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
this great new comp of japanese jazz from the 70s is packed with coltrane worship: https://spiritualjazz.bandcamp.com/album/spiritual-jazz-8-japan-pt-1
― tylerw, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
Yeah; I reviewed that compilation, and another contemporaneous one, for Burning Ambulance.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
oh yeah, the j-jazz one is sounding awesome as well (missed that ode to workman actually features reggie workman!). pretty interesting — as you note, except for a few exceptions, i don't think i'd be able to distinguish this stuff from western jazz. these players had quickly absorbed and mastered the style.
― tylerw, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
i was looking up keitaro miho from the spiritual jazz comp and found this amazing looking record: All-Japan Male Volley Ball Team "The Road To Munich"
https://img.discogs.com/qqVIR7KK9fgiZU6d8C01wfXz2Xg=/fit-in/400x400/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-6946446-1430135632-4101.jpeg.jpg
― tylerw, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
thanks for all the suggestions!
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
another one: pharoah sanders' memories of j.w. coltrane from the excellent live at the east lp
― no lime tangier, Monday, 11 June 2018 04:55 (six years ago) link
Really enjoying this new John Coltrane album
― tylerw, Friday, 29 June 2018 13:51 (six years ago) link
New Trane! Crazy, can't wait to listen to this tonight
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 29 June 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
it's fucking nice and just completely what you'd expect I suppose, but in the best sense of that!
― calzino, Friday, 29 June 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
great to listen to this on my way in to work this morning, but i bet it's going to sound a hundred times better going back home again tonight
― I'd Rather Kecak (NickB), Friday, 29 June 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
yeah — i mean, the urge to overrate it is probably high, but even on something as laid-back / workmanlike as "slow blues" (which they probably did just to blow off steam), it's wonderful to just luxuriate in the sound of this band. elvin jones! best drummer ever?
― tylerw, Friday, 29 June 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
god this really was the best band ever
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Friday, 29 June 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
garrison's bowed solo in the first track, my god
― flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Friday, 29 June 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
I'm glad I have this thread bookmarked so I will be repeatedly reminded that I need to get this new one
― sleeve, Friday, 29 June 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
this is really great, and i'm generally hot/cold on Coltrane
― Hotdogs Killcars (dog latin), Friday, 29 June 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
The full Antibes Love Supreme set is on the deluxe edition from 2002.
A couple good Coltrane tribute songs are. . .
Cliff Jordan — 'John Coltrane' (1973)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znr4KRw2au8
Abdullah Ibrahim — 'For John Coltrane' (1992)https://vimeo.com/82702349
So friggin' excited to hear the "new" record.
― (V) (°,,,,°) (V) (Austin), Friday, 29 June 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
Wasn't bowled over by the first "new" track tbh
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 29 June 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
but I mean, this is an unfuckwithable era of the quartet and there was nothing bad about it either, looking forward to hearing the whole record
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 29 June 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
I went through a phase when I had Live at Birdland on nonstop and this seems like the studio analogue to that record afaict
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 29 June 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
Good piece by Lewis Porter here:
http://wbgo.org/post/deep-dive-lewis-porter-considering-john-coltranes-lost-album-all-directions
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 June 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
this one popped up in my youtube subs, i'm liking it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJcpBWry04w
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 June 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
Got my copy of the 2CD version in today's mail.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 30 June 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
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― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 1 July 2018 05:44 (six years ago) link
Listening to Ole Coltrane today (first track, on repeat) and it's McCoy's album, or at least it's him I think of when I summon an aural image of the album. He's so in charge and oceanic. Then it's the knotted basses and Dolphy taking flight. I barely think of Coltrane and Elvin at all. Puzzling.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link