Kanye West's new 2018 album

again, I'm not saying that autobiographical or self-involved material is de facto bad. There's tons of that kind of work that is great (including Plastic Ono Band and loads of rap albums). What's bad is when the work is valued or validated based not on the work itself, but how it relates to the artist and their lives. Like, what makes Plastic Ono Band a great record is *not* that it's his very first solo album that he recorded really quickly with Yoko Ono after moving to LA and undergoing primal scream therapy - it's that the songs are actually, y'know, good. It's a great sounding record, the songs are well constructed, the playing is great, the listener can connect to it.

right, i think i might have misunderstood your point.

the surrounding chaos has always been a factor when discussing kanye's music, but i think this time around it's harder to argue that the music is good enough to distract from the bullshit. so people talk about the bullshit instead.

Was really put off by this album during the streaming listening party thing. Came back to it today and I think I actually like it?

It occupies a really weird headspace, in its way even more "off" than Yeezus or Pablo. Those albums seem very premeditated and thought out, even when the looseness threatened to overwhelm.

This album feels like being in Kanye's head. There are chunks of beautiful soul music floating by, lyrical mental wanderings, sloppy samples and ugly guitar solos. Vocals that sound like gibberish placeholders that were accidentally left in. I initially dismissed this as post mid-life crisis therapy music which now feels kind of shitty. It is DEFINITELY post mid-life crisis therapy music and that is why it is sort of fascinating. It feels unbalanced and clumsy. It kind of reminds me of Skip Spence's Oar.

you don't rewatch a film or re-read a book until you've had sufficient time for your brain to have become unfamiliar with it
or the exact opposite, you rewatch movies and reread books until you become familiar with them

omg that's so fucking slanderous to Oar

anyways isn't the kid cudi thing out today?

presumably streaming the same time as ye last friday

Kids See Ghosts on Tidal right now

so far better than Ye
in a way that it's kinda interesting to hear once but I can't imagine really going back to this
Kanye's verses are probably better than anything the did on Ye or the Push album? Incredibly low bar but still

probably won't be as think piece friendly as Ye, I dunno, I really don't know why any of the music exists

not at good as Pusha, just because Pusha was basically just a street rap album with a little quirkier production than usual but Pusha is what he is and I like what he does

found the Pusha album kinda disappointing tbh, felt forced to me, but if you like his style he's doing his thing

i like the kanye verse on daytona. cudi sucks so bad lol

kid cudi aka the day'n'nite guy

i have never heard any of his songs since that one which was, googles quickly, 10 years ago

I don’t believe for a minute none of you don’t know “pursuit of happiness” specially the aoki remix which was pretty much played in every party and club for years.

i don't go to those type of club nights

The Kid Cudi mixtape was really good, especially the one with the Band of Horses sample, don't @ me...

everyone knows 'pursuit of happiness' moka, they just think it sucks ass

also it's also 10 almost years old so i'm not sure what the point even is

It was mostly directed at jim who said he had no idea who Cudi was.

But yeah he manages to suck somehow more than Kanye.

I don't know "Pursuit of Happiness" let me pull up the youtube
lol feat MGMT
lol Drake is in this a lot
this is not good

The popular one is the steve aoki remix

https://youtu.be/ZO-jQjEdK9w

kids see ghosts album is killer

this mismatching of song titles to song across all the msps is also bizarre and really fascinating under fantasy pretext that it was all intentional
imagine being able to easily discuss a new album that is near obligatory listening for your demographic, but the pretext of having commonalities like song titles is totally out the window - you have a lot of people singing verses or humming to get their point across. this obviously isnt the case. but makes me think of how interesting public interaction with a work would be if it was impossible to have a structure conversation about it dont @ me

this happened with the fall out boy record too, don’t think it’s that high concept

with that record everyone just panned it while listening to it the wrong way, which, people would've probably done that anyway but it still frustrates me that my tracklist corrections for mania took five months to be accepted on rym (ik, wrong thread, but basically xp i imagine that conversation would just be frustrating)

i mean, bit of a different scenario but frustrating nonetheless

*in this fantasy pretext; anyway

imagine being able to easily discuss a new album that is near obligatory listening for your demographic, but the pretext of having commonalities like song titles is totally out the window - you have a lot of people singing verses or humming to get their point across. this obviously isnt the case. but makes me think of how interesting public interaction with a work would be if it was impossible to have a structure conversation about it dont @ me

― 57mg/20floz

is this album as good as hairway to steven y/n

in 2018 bad metadata is just performance art

Don’t ppl generally just say “track 1,” “track 4” (etc.) when discussing a new album IRL?

Uh, sure

if anything they sing a bit of the chorus

bewildered by the generally positive reception im seeing for kids see ghosts

As usual with Kanye, anything sonically interesting gets squashed with lines like “She said I’m in the wrong hole.”

the production isn’t even that good..

Kanye is a try hard.

Y’all drank some serious kool aid to give a shit about this guy.

I’m also impressed at the level of acceptance of this thing over at reddit. It sounds like shit and I don’t think anyone would give a fuck about it if Kanye wasn’t involved. I hear better songs everyday from soundcloud bedroom producerd.

^ fame makes people lazy. Enlightened idiots.
Everyone says you’re the best and you believe it. Look at Scott walker - his last 2 records suck

Fantano just gave KSG a 10/10.

I think he’s only given like 4 or 5 albums that score. Contrarian melonhead.

How does that alt right asshole still have a career

KSG does have way better production than Ye but that's a low bar. The title track is ok, album has at least some replay value which I can't say for Ye at all.

Also album cover is good.

Not that into the hatchet job reviews I've read of this. But while the intro seems to be deliberately designed to unnerve and repel this is actually a good-great ep. Very much a continuation of TLOP. Kanye kinda ruins it at times, as ever, but musically it's so good it more than makes up for it. Do I like modern kanye? Not really. But I don't have to like someone unequivocally or find them morally sound to like what they make (its hip hop after all). He's always been someone wildly inconsistent in his views. The difference now is just that he's more repugnant than funny. But despite it all he's weirdly still endearing in his dumb helplessness. Just my two pence.

Do I like modern kanye? Not really. But I don't have to like someone unequivocally or find them morally sound to like what they make (its hip hop after all). He's always been someone wildly inconsistent in his views.

none of the good hatchet jobs we've posted have made his claim. They go out of their way to point out, "This is shitty music."

his = this

None of the hatchet jobs manage to convey that successfully, though, and are full of lazy ad hominem attacks. It's also getting a bit funny to see the weird arguments as to why Daytona and Kids See Ghosts are full of great production choices, while ye is absolutely nothing of the sort.

It is true that the reviews should've pointed out that he's sucked since 2010.

2016